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Royboy posted 04-25-2006 11:46 AM ET (US)   Profile for Royboy   Send Email to Royboy  
OK, I've done my searching and have some idea what I need for trolling with my Outrage 17, but I'd like to get the ideas of the forum. My plan is to go with a four-stroke if at all possible to share fuel supply with my Optimax Main engine.

Here's the question: What horsepower range would best suit a 1999 Outrage II 17 footer for a kicker used primarily for low speed trolling?

Bonus Question: Fixed or retractable bracket?

Extra Credit: Long or Short Shaft?

Roy--Oops, I forgot to say: "GO"

assaf posted 05-02-2006 05:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for assaf  Send Email to assaf     

I had on my 17II outrage a 6 hp 4st merc long shaft 55 lbs

this hull is sensitive to the weight on the transom ,max

430 lbs , try not to exceed it.

prm1177 posted 05-02-2006 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for prm1177  Send Email to prm1177     
At the Nor Cal Whaler Rendezvous two years ago, I saw a tricked out Outrage II 17, similar to mine, with a removable trolling motor mount attached to the swim platform. The gentleman in question was a retired California Fish and Game Warden, I believe. Hopefully, he still patrols this site and will augment my poor description of his slick setup.
Royboy posted 05-02-2006 04:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
That's got interesting potential, prm1177. I'll still be adding a kicker, but in the mean time....

Roy

Royboy posted 05-02-2006 04:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
My 135 OPtimax weighs 431, according to the Mercury website. Looks like I'm already over the max. Where did you get that figure, assaf?

Roy

Joe Kriz posted 05-02-2006 06:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
RoyBoy,

Question #1
6, 8, or 9.9 hp (the lighter the better)

Bonus Question
FIXED

Extra Credit Question
Long Shaft

I had a 1997 model and had an adjustable bracket and an 8hp Evinrude Long Shaft which weighed 52 pounds. I hated the adjustable bracket.

http://users.sisqtel.net/jkriz/Outrage17/outrage17.html

I also had the Merc 115 hp which weighs a little less than your model.
The boat is rated up to a 150 hp and I am not sure where assaf got his information about the total transom weight as I can't find that info anywhere.

Lots of fixed brackets on the market...
Here are some by Garelick:
http://garelick.com/marine/product_catalog_detail.aspx?cat=oma& subcat=smb

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Royboy posted 05-03-2006 07:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Thanks Joe, your recommendations are right in line with what I was thinking, and you've made it to the top of the leaderboard! Kingfish has an 8 hp on a bigger Outrage and it looks like it performs well, so I was thinking a 6 hp would be adequate to my needs.

I intend to fabricate an aluminum bracket out of 3/8" plate, similar to what I made for my 13 Sport. I need to buy the engine first though, so I get it right the first time. I wasn't too sure about whether long or short shaft was the way to go because the static trim is a bit transom low with that 135 hp back there. I have come to realize, however that the auxilliary engine needs to reach the bottom of the boat just like the main engine does, so a long shaft is the ticket.

Thanks for posting the pictures of your Outrage 17, as you can imagine, I am trying to figure out where everything goes. I'm curious how your bimini worked the way it was stowed. Did you have to move the whole thing into position to raise it, or am I missing something? Regardless, I like it out of the way forward of the rail as shown. Also, where did you put your radio?

Nothing like derailing your own thread, eh?

Roy

Joe Kriz posted 05-03-2006 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Roy,

Good eyes on the Bimini top.

I hate to stow the bimini down and in the rear of the boat as it covers the rear quarter seats and can get oil on the top from the engine lines and cables.

I also hate to have the bimini up in the retracted position as it gets in the way of fishing.

So, my method was to stow it down and forward of the railing. Yes, you do need to manually connect the fittings up again each time you want to use it but I felt I only had two choices.
1. Leave the bimini at home and never use it
2. Stow it the way I did so it could be used when absolutely needed...

It really wasn't that hard to hook it up each time when needed for sun or rain.

My Motto,
Any Port in a Storm or
Whatever Floats your Boat... :-)

My radio was installed inside the top 'electronics' compartment with the removable door. The bracket was screwed into the ceiling of that compartment so you could put small items under the radio.. I have another friend who has a 1996 and his was the same way.
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusions/personal_page/view_personal_page. php?user_id=227

Royboy posted 05-03-2006 01:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
That seems like a fine place for the radio, but how do you deal with the mic? I don't think mine comes off the radio (either an I-com M-302 or a Ray53). Do you have to leave the door off the compartment?

Roy

assaf posted 05-03-2006 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for assaf  Send Email to assaf     
I got it from boston commercial line .

the 17 justice is identical to the 17 outrage II , and the

max engine weight is 195kg (429 Ibs). the boat is not in

production any more ,but you can find it in the archive .

my boat had a 150 EFI (413 lbs) and the 6 hp (55 lbs)

468 lbs in total 39 lbs more then the rating. because the

weight My boat used to porpoise quite easly , and I

controled it with the trim tabs, and eliminated the

problem.

Royboy posted 05-03-2006 09:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Something doesn't add up. I don't even have the maximum engine and I'm already over my maximum transom weight?

Guess I'll have call Whaler on this one.

I agree it's not hard to get the boat to porpoise. I'll be adding trim tabs eventually. For this Summer, I'll just be taking it easy while I buy all of the other stuff I need.

Roy

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