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Dauntless18 posted 04-24-2006 02:43 PM ET (US)   Profile for Dauntless18  
Was in process of having a Whaler ski-pylon mounted on my 18 Dauntless (already bought the part from Whaler) and was told by my Whaler dealer that ski-pylons are for skiing only. Tubing and potentially wake-boarding present too much drag and can bend / rip-out the pylon. So, I am back to the rear lifting eyes...

Anyone's experience with this? I always assumed a ski pylon was a great solution for tubing with the kids...

Aeglis posted 04-24-2006 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Aeglis  Send Email to Aeglis     
I use the rear lifting eyes for the kids when they tube. The use of the lifting eyes makes the rope closer to the water and more responsive to quick turns, etc.. All my tubers are college kids who enjoy going fast and huge-arced, fast turns and this may not be to the likeing of some smaller kids. I use the same rope set-up (2 clips, one on each side) attached to the tow line via a short line) as the water skiers do. And with a Whaler, tight, fast turns are just another reason we own um!
newportguy posted 04-24-2006 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for newportguy  Send Email to newportguy     
Dauntless18,

I have a 17 foot Newport and have installed an aftermarket ski bar 2 years ago and it has worked beautifully. We use it for tubing mostly and the wakeboarding and I am talking pulling an 8 foot tube with three people on it and not a problem. The key in my mind it to have the ski bar set at the proper height in the boat. And if you want a high pull point you will have to use the guy wire supports that you see on some non whaler type boats. When I uncover the boat I will show some pictures of the install.

Larry

newportguy posted 04-24-2006 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for newportguy  Send Email to newportguy     
Hi,

I just posted some pictures of pulling the kids at the cottage on the tube. You can tell from the angle of the rope that it is being pulled from a bar. And as as can be seen these are three teenagers all have a hell of a good time. One of the kodak moments that whaling is all about.

Larry

http://www.sheetharbour.ca/whaler

mikeyairtime posted 04-24-2006 11:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for mikeyairtime    
Never, I repeat never, tow water toy from a pylon . After having towed the same toy a zillion time with no trouble unexplicably one day the front end of the toy dug in on a sharp turn. This stopped the boat so violently that the pylon (that had pulled a bunch of 200 pound tournament level men for years) ripped out of the floor and ejected on the two rear supports. It went between 4 small children and caught my labrador retreaver and sliced his belly wide open. The dog was pulled out of the boat and almost drown. We had to make a kamikaze run from Lake Nacimiento to Pismo Beach on a Sunday night to get the dog put back together. It was several years before we water skiied again after that event and the dog was never the same suffering siezures because he went without air so long. My 170 has a pylon for skiing and wakeboarding but I tow toys off one of the stern eyes with a simple clevis. This is a common occurance, not at all rare. That's why your dealer won't do it and every pylon comes with instructions not to do it.
frb91864 posted 04-25-2006 08:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for frb91864  Send Email to frb91864     
Dauntless,

Check this out.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/009408.html

Fritz

Dauntless18 posted 04-25-2006 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dauntless18    
Many thanks for all of the info. Good to know and good reminder that for all of this fun, these are not just toys.

David

newportguy posted 04-25-2006 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for newportguy  Send Email to newportguy     
Guys,

Thee is also a warning that comes with most toys not to exceed a certain speed limit. I have seen instances where accidnets as described above have occured and in most cases the accident was casued not by using the pylon to tow with, but by exceeding the designed speed for the toy. As with all things, common sense is a necessary commodity that sometimes we all forget.

Larry

mikeyairtime posted 04-25-2006 07:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for mikeyairtime    
The manufacture of the pylons tell you not to do. If you can't conceed that you'd be endangering your's and others kids and believe your vast common sense exceedes the real world experience of a bunch of pylon manufactures cheers to ya. On the water accidents have a element to them that isn't there on land. I guess maybe you have to experience one to take heed. The whole drowning/far from home thing makes them very special. The stuff nightmares are made of. I hope you think of this every time you hook your tube to the pylon and put inocents at risk. I'm a licensed captain and I admit I had no idea what could happen. My own common sense told me a slalom skiier put the most stress on a pylon - WRONG. I quit the minute I found out. I'll sign off now because I'm getting more riled the more I think about it. Someone gives you a real world life saver and you say "oh, they must have been going too fast or been doing something wrong or not using common sense." How bout "thanks for the tip" and "I'll take heed."
jimh posted 04-25-2006 09:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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Lars Simonsen posted 04-25-2006 09:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Lars Simonsen  Send Email to Lars Simonsen     
I used the ski pylon on my Dauntless about twice for pulling a tube. I stopped using it for reasons other than safety (I was not aware of the safety issue). I found that the pylon functioned like a lever, pulling the bow way up, and pushing the stern down into the water. Using the bow eyes was much, much better, and the boat runs much flatter when towing a tube that way.
Perry posted 04-26-2006 02:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Lars, using the bow eye would mean you tow in reverse. I hope this isn't the case.
Lars Simonsen posted 04-26-2006 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Lars Simonsen  Send Email to Lars Simonsen     
Oops, stern eyes . . . I guess I got turned around . . .

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