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David1877 posted 07-24-2006 01:41 PM ET (US)   Profile for David1877   Send Email to David1877  
Hello

I tested a Conquest 205 on an inland lake. I am considering an upgrade the to 205 or Outrage 21.

I like to fish Lake Michigan. My Dauntless 18 is stable but the ride is not comfortable. Even at lower speeds, the ride can be pounding.

I cannot determine if I will be ok with the Eastport 205 or should I only consider the Outrage?

Your feedback is appreciated.

David

Plotman posted 07-24-2006 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Compare the deadrise angle - that is going to have the biggest impact.

David

David1877 posted 07-24-2006 06:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for David1877  Send Email to David1877     
Thanks

What is the deadrise angle?

Where will i find the specs?

prm1177 posted 07-24-2006 07:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for prm1177  Send Email to prm1177     
Boston Whaler says in their literature that the Dauntless and Conquests share the same hull entry design. The 205 should get you more stability with its additional length, but I think the dead-rise should be similar (Whaler doesn't publish any spec for dead-rise). The Outrage will have a deeper V and will accommodate rough water well.

As for a pounding ride, I found my Outrage 17 to be troublesome in 1-2 foot chop until I raised the engine 2 holes. That lowered the planing speed and gave me more trim range and better handling.

itldo posted 07-24-2006 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for itldo  Send Email to itldo     
David
Boston Whaler makes two style of hulls, Twin Sponson disign (stable) for the 11 ft. sport thru 17 ft Montauk, then the Accurack Deep-V hulls for the Dauntles-Ventura-Outrage-Conquest modles. To get a soft ride in the your Dauntles try lowering the bow and run at a speed thats comfortable.
Earl


David1877 posted 07-24-2006 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for David1877  Send Email to David1877     
Thanks for the responses.

I will check the engine height and maybe I will move it up one if possible.

I did a search on the Eastport deadrise. A forum posting regarding the 12/2004 article in Boating written by Larry Rudow claims the deadrise is 20 degrees.

My Dauntless will plane at a relatively low speeds and seems to ride better when loaded.

I too noted the Whaler page about the Dauntless and Conquest hulls being the same or similar.

Not sure what action I will take. Wife wants the cuddy. Few opportunities when the wife wants the same new toy. I am choking on the cash price of the conquest with desired options.

David

Marlin posted 07-24-2006 08:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marlin  Send Email to Marlin     
David, you might also wish to look for a 21 Conquest from the 1999-2000 time frame. The price should be quite favorable compared to a new 205 Eastport/Conquest.

I checked out an Eastport last fall, and found that the cuddy cabin really wasn't quite big enough for me (I'm about 6'1"). Other than that, it looked like quite the nice boat.

-Bob

Barry posted 07-24-2006 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
I have seen several reviews that state the transom deadrise is 18 degrees.

http://www.motorboating.com/motorboat/seatrials/article/ 0,12696,709134,00.html

David1877 posted 07-25-2006 12:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for David1877  Send Email to David1877     
Hello All-

Thanks for the information.

18 degree deadrise. I don't understand what deadrise is or how that number is an indication of performance. I will do a search on it and compare to my 2001 Dauntless 18.

My 135 Opti is mounted in the middle hole. I could move it up two which might help get the bow down.

Still considering Eastport. Dealer claims canvas pricing/options escalated 30% from 2005 to 2006. I am looking at other dealers. What is a good price for this boat with 200 optimax?

David

David1877 posted 07-25-2006 03:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for David1877  Send Email to David1877     
Hello All-

Well, it is a done deal. Dealer sharpened pricing a bit and I had to take it. On the payment plan......

Eastport 205 with 200 Optimax. Dealer changed EZloader to a Karavan trailer, model 5000-SB-78-10-ST. Not sure that makes much difference or not.

Thanks for the postings/information.

David

Marlin posted 07-25-2006 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marlin  Send Email to Marlin     
David,

Short answer -- deadrise is the angle of the hull bottom, measured from the centerline to the chine with respect to horizontal. In other words, the larger the deadrise angle, the deeper the V-bottom of the boat.

Larger deadrise angles improve the ride in chop, at the expense of requiring more power to plane and reducing stability in roll.

Congratulations on your purchase!

-Bob

David1877 posted 07-25-2006 03:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for David1877  Send Email to David1877     
Thanks Bob-

I think the eastport deadrise is around 18 or 20, not sure which.

I believe it will ride better than the 18 Dauntless.

David

njwhaler posted 07-26-2006 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for njwhaler  Send Email to njwhaler     
When comparing to the Dauntless, lets not forget about the weight of the boat. The Dauntless is lighter than the boats you are comparing it to....thus another reason why it will not handle the chop as well.

I would go with the Conquest.

David1877 posted 07-26-2006 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for David1877  Send Email to David1877     
Pick up the new baot tomorrow. Excited to try it out.

Dealer gave $3k less for my trade than I paid for it 5 years ago. Makes me feel better about price tag of this boat.

David

David1877 posted 08-08-2006 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for David1877  Send Email to David1877     
Boat rides well. 200HP Merc Optimax motor has been nothing but grief. Twin Cities Marine or BW did not rig oil lines correctly.

jimh posted 08-08-2006 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[This article was originally posted to THE GAM but has been moved to this discussion area because this discussion area is specifically designed to discuss this topic.]
David1877 posted 08-17-2006 06:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for David1877  Send Email to David1877     
Eastport Hull definitely outperforms the Daunt 18 on Lake Michigan (ride, comfort).

With 200 Opti, flat water, 2 persons, 40 gallons, rig will do about 52.

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