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posted 08-31-2006 08:49 PM ET (US)
Still using Walmart oil engine runs great!
posted 09-01-2006 03:32 AM ET (US)
Good for you.
posted 09-01-2006 10:49 AM ET (US)
I'm a WM stock holder.
posted 09-01-2006 02:08 PM ET (US)
From "Walmart Watch" - "Wal-Mart – by sheer size and economic influence – deserves intense scrutiny."
Since this post seemed to be an "ad" for a product, I guess it should be OK to offer another opinion. Personally, I tend to support those local merchants that contribute in a more positive way to my community, whose families I know, who exhibit a more ethical way of doing business. I purchase my OEM oil from the local Marina, they are locally owned, help me out when I need some advice..I like to do everything I can to keep them around.
Just food for thought.
posted 09-01-2006 03:12 PM ET (US)
I have to admit, sometimes it is very difficult to support local retailers. Example: I use a certain type of artificial bait. Local Bait and Tackle $8. Sports Authority $5.99. Walmart $4.68. I may buy from all three. Obviously, if the price difference is only $1 the local Bait and Tackle gets it, they are my buds. But when the price difference is almost a 90% increase, I usually look for something else they have that is unique to the shop and buy that. It is a sad state of affairs, and life has changed much in the last 50 yrs.
posted 09-01-2006 07:30 PM ET (US)
Jkcam... I understand your point. A 90% increase is substantial. I've spent a lot of time talking with the owner of the local flyfishing shop (he also owns the attached local hardware, so big box competition is a double whammy for him). He has frequently told me that he usually can't even buy products for anywhere near the price that the big stores sell them at retail.
But.... I figure I'm going to spend 50 or 100 bucks a year on my favorite spin casting, hooks, sinkers, and worms. I could probably buy the same stuff online, or at cabelas (yep, we've got one here) for half that price.. But... I want The Golden Drake Fly Shop (named after his wonderful dog) to stay in business, I love being able to pull the boat to the dock behind his store in the middle of the day and restock the stuff I've thrown into the trees.
I know I can't convince people to spend their hard earned money when they don't have to, but I always want to encourage people to look at the bigger picture as well.
And, this doesn't even address the ethical allegations and problems with WalMart.
Thanks for the reasoned response...
posted 09-01-2006 10:18 PM ET (US)
Besides saving our family thousands of dollars a year in cost savings (especially boating items!), our local Wal Marts are very good citizens of our community. The company and employees donate time and money for local charity. Not to mention the millions of dollars they donated in time, materials and vehicles last year for hurricane relief in the Gulf Coast and Florida.
posted 09-01-2006 11:17 PM ET (US)
Frontier, if Wally World hadn't have put every small bait shop within 20 miles out of business in our area with an awesome selection I would be agreeing with you. Oh did I mention, once every other shop was gone, the shrinking began? In purely corporate decisions I'm sure, every month more inventory items disappeared. Now all you can buy are crappy combo fishing sets. More and more non selection. The saltwater collection is about two feet wide. This is an area 45 minutes from the Pacific Ocean. They have no desire to please the general public any longer as they have their target public captured. I do however wish I had purchased their stock, being a capitalist at heart. PS. I would never let that oil touch the cowling of my modern engine.
posted 09-02-2006 02:27 AM ET (US)
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posted 09-02-2006 02:32 AM ET (US)
I am glad to see that others have noticed how Wal Mart shuts a market down with a great selection of products and then after all the competition is gone thay reduce their inventory and selection down to junk.
I hate Wal Mart box stores and I wouldn't use Wal Mart oil in my Lawn Mower. Time share condos and Wal Mart are an evil force.
posted 09-02-2006 07:29 AM ET (US)
No sense ragging on Walmart for this strategy - all the big box stores follow the same plan. Home Depot moves in with a great selection of things, puts the local lumberyards and/or hardware stores out of business, and then gets rid of slow moving items from their inventory.
These are big public companies. Their goal is to maximize return on their shares. They don't care if you can't get some weird fastener there anymore.
posted 09-02-2006 12:52 PM ET (US)
I've worked with a small business support organization for years, and we've found it interesting that many, many small businesses have thrived near Wal Marts. They bring in lots of customers to an area. In some cases there was concern at first, but many have specialized more and are busier and making more money than ever!
posted 09-02-2006 04:38 PM ET (US)
That's interesting, could you point me towards some studies that support that?
posted 09-02-2006 08:08 PM ET (US)
Would you like one of those liberal type "studies" funded by one sided left wing groups like "walmartwatch.com"?
posted 09-02-2006 08:51 PM ET (US)
wow, that was harsh..
I'm afraid that the only studies I've found doing online searches have pointed towards the negative impact of the big box stores (including Walmart) on small local retailers. I was sincerely interested in finding any research based counterpoint to that position. It seemed that you might have access to some legitimate research on the issue.
posted 09-02-2006 09:22 PM ET (US)
No offense taken.
My point is most anti - Wal Mart "studies", including the internet ones you mentioned are funded by socialist minded left wing groups who don't like capitalism anyway. Follow the money. They will find the information they seek. My experience with over 17 years working with small business is much more positive. I know many small business owners over a 6 county area here. Some have actually moved their businesses closer to Wal Mart for the increased traffic. Someone has to feed all those Wal Mart customers-so the ma and pa cafe comes into the picture. Car repair shops, craft places, cleaners , the local McDonalds are owned by small business owners, the list goes on and on.
By the way, I use Yamalube!!
posted 09-03-2006 12:49 AM ET (US)
My 1985 Johnson is still running on Wal-Mart oil. However, it will soon be converted over to running on Mercury oil. My entrance fee to the Stuart, FL Boston Whaler Owners Event was more than reimbursed by the 2.5 gallons of Mercury 2-stroke oil I received at the check-in table.
Long Live the Boston Whaler Owner's Events!
I'll burn whatever is on the shelf in my garage, if it says it's TCW-3.
posted 09-03-2006 10:14 AM ET (US)
You make a good point in that those entities that don't sell the same services/products as the big box stores probably benefit from being close by.
I think I'll stand by my belief, however, that those small businesses that are in direct competition are doomed. The small hardware next to home depot probably isn't going to make it.. the corner bait shop next to Cabelas is gonna go under....
Anyone else read "The Foundation" trilogy?
posted 09-04-2006 05:51 PM ET (US)
Anyone else read Atlas Shrugged? it describes the absolute villainy of suppressing successful large business' to make it fair for the less successful business that cannot compete.
Your local fly shop will have to compete with better service and convenience not price. But I still would not run Walmart oil in my outboards.
posted 09-05-2006 11:28 AM ET (US)
I seem to remember something from similar previous discussions here about Wal-Mart oil being relabeled Pennzoil.
If this is correct, why would there be a problem with the oil as Pennzoil has always been considered a decent product? Do you think Pennzoil would risk their reputation and produce an inferior, non conforming oil product for Walmart?
If I am incorrect in thinking Walmart's oil is produced by Pennzoil, never mind. ;>)
posted 09-05-2006 08:42 PM ET (US)
I find that shopping at WALMART is an interesting experience. It offers me a look at the future. My local WALMART is located in one of the "richest" ZIP Codes in the United States, yet shopping there is a wild experience.
I walk around my local WALMART and see the shelves and aisles filled products which represent the epitome of banality. Who buys all this crap? The store is arranged so I have to walk past acres of the absurd, the ridiculous, the cheap imitation, just so I can get to the auto parts and buy some oil in 5-quarts bottles. I don't mind buying MOBILE ONE synthetic oil there, but I cannot imagine getting much else.
Enhancing the experience is the constant sound of the overhead public address system requesting "an associate" from some department should please come to the check-out. At my WALMART all public address announcements are made by non-native speakers of English. The accents are often so thick that it is hard to understand them.
But these announcements blend well with the polyglot of languages being spoken by the shoppers. I am not exaggerating; in my experience English is seldom spoken by the customers at my WALMART. Russian and Spanish are popular. The customers themselves are interesting.
But the total WALMART experience aside, let me turn to the two-stroke oil itself. If one wants to use a generic two-stroke oil that meets TCW-III specifications, the WALMART product is probably fine. And if you can find name-brand products there at good prices, why pay more?
What I find frustrating is the variation in the inventory. The same stuff is never on the shelves two months in a row. You cannot count on finding the same products in all stores. Your local WALMART might have a particular product at a good price, and my local store might never had it.
posted 09-05-2006 09:01 PM ET (US)
I can understand how some people feel, I just spent $15000+ on my new engine. I am not going to put cheap oil in it to save a few bucks. Walmart does not make there oil. It is TCW3 certified. I believe that I pay aproximately $7 for a gallon. In my opinion to pay 2 or 3 times that amount and add quicklean on top of that is a complete waist of money. I think most people use expensive oil out of fear of the unknown. How do you know whats really going on in side those cylinder walls unless you take the engine apart? I have been using walmart oil in my 200 optimax since I got it new in 2001 with not problems. I would like to take a survey of seized engines and and find out what oils where used.
posted 09-05-2006 09:48 PM ET (US)
Jim....out of curiosity, which Wallymart do you shop at???
The wife was at a school teacher inservice today where the speaker was touting WalMart as a shining example of American retailing. It didn't go over very well.
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