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highanddry posted 09-16-2006 11:42 AM ET (US)   Profile for highanddry   Send Email to highanddry  
After reading many threads over several years on various forums such as The Hull Truth,for example, I have come to the conclusion that Boston Whalers, old and new, are the second most bashed boat on the internet. First place by a skosh is still Bay Liner but Boston Whaler holds a solid second place.

Here is what they say (about all Boston Whalers old and new)

over priced (maybe)
water logged (urban legend)
wood (not an issue)
foam (not an issue)
thin glass (not true)
heavy (compared to what)
low quality (not true)
don't hold up to off shore use (not true)
ride rough (not true)
freeboard uniformly to low (true?)
tri-hull (huh?)
poor value (say what?)
insufficient deadrise (maybe?)
owners are snoody rich guys or ignorant beginners who are brand concious (maybe)

Even on this board Boston Whalers and Whaler owners are constantly bashed. There probably is no answer, just observations brought to focus in my mind from several threads. No need to answer, just what I see over and over.

In real life however my boat (as I am sure many of yours the same) is constantly complimented with jaw dropping drooling--why the disparity between internet and real world? --retorical.

gorji posted 09-16-2006 11:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for gorji  Send Email to gorji     
What's the purpose of your post?
prm1177 posted 09-16-2006 02:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for prm1177  Send Email to prm1177     
"why the disparity between Internet and real world?"

I know you meant this to be rhetorical, but it deserves comment. The anonymity of a BBS posting permits people to say things they would not otherwise say in public. A Whaler is expensive, and for most people it is common to disparage things you covet but cannot afford.

Paul

highanddry posted 09-16-2006 06:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
"What's the purpose of your post?"

A statement of my observations and thesis, it does not require you to agree or dissagree as you see fit or care not. Rhetorical, I think I was clear.

Sal A posted 09-16-2006 08:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
highanddry,

I loved my nineteen foot Whaler; it didn't have an Optimax.

(Couldn't resist :) )

Everybody pumps up the boats they own, and degrades other men's boats on the internet. You should see the other forum when they talk about Scout boats! I actually think that the price of new boats has gotten so out of hand in the last few years (2007 especially), that there is resentment that boating is becoming an elitist hobby. Boston Whaler prices are perhaps even more "up there" than most boats, and hence the resentment?

I have never seen a boat I didn't like, save my brother-in-law's Monterey 298 SS. I love kayaks, sailboats, fishing boats, trawlers, walkarounds, and especially boats molded in the Maine and Chesapeake "downeast" traditions.

Enjoy your boats; it's all good "dawg".

highanddry posted 09-16-2006 09:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Sal you are exactly correct with your good attitude and I do not allow other people's misconceptions ruin my ownership experiance. It was just an observation of internet baloney. Garbage in and you get garbage out.

The Contender for example is the darling of the internet now. I agree it looks purposeful in the larger sizes and the few I have seen are definitly quality built but the smallest they build seems to be a 21 footer. Now, look at that boat--why the reverse sheer? Is it styling? I understand it on a bay boat or even the 30 plus foot offshore boats where having the positive sheer that most smaller Whalers have would result in a bow that blocks the horizon--so it makes sense--but in a 21 foot boat? It is just styling. Just an example of how even nice boats can have stupid design features. I think that is whyt the classic Montauk is so highly regarded, it is functional form purely.

This rough ride thing, I was watching a clip on the Water Channel of a 32 foot Outrage with suspended deck running fult tilt in rough water. Does a 32 foot Contender actually ride that much better than the Outrage? I really doubt it.

Sal, what boat you have now? LOL, yeah, OptiMax the most bashed engine on the net except for maybe the new Evinrudes. They seem to be getting an unfair beating also. Take care, I am glad your feeling better.

Jakwolf posted 09-16-2006 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jakwolf  Send Email to Jakwolf     
Have to agree with the attitude. Currently, I own two 'saltwater' boats,also, one aluminum Gregor, two small freshwater puddle jumpers with electric motors and a HobieCat pontoon float tube. I just turned 52, definitely don't have enough money to afford snobbery, but prefer my 17' Outrage over my 21 Striper in all but the worst weather. And I have yet to exhale even once debating anyone on the value/quality/etc. of my Whaler. I plan to just quietly fish the heck out of it until the enviros destroy my right to do what I've wanted to do in it, and be safe doing it.
gorji posted 09-17-2006 01:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for gorji  Send Email to gorji     
highanddry: I see it now.
swist posted 09-17-2006 07:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
A boat is a very expensive purchase for most people, and as other threads have concluded, probably not one that most people can justify strictly in dollars and cents terms. Many of us have to struggle just to get the purchased "approved" by the spouse. So even before you leave your own house your mindset is in justifying your extravagance. I think this puts a lot of us in a semi-irrational defensive posture when it comes to our boats, and we use all the ammunition we can come up with to support that defense, like finding fault in the boats we didn't buy. I know I subconsciously do it.
gorji posted 09-17-2006 07:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for gorji  Send Email to gorji     
Swist comments are right on the money. Even more so when buying a second whaler and wanting to keep the first one. I'm in that situation now purchased a Eastport 205 and cannot part with my Montauk 170. I just can't let her go.
dmeswi posted 09-17-2006 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for dmeswi  Send Email to dmeswi     
About a year ago I bought a new 130 Sport - my first boat. Almost every time I launch it someone comments about how nice the boat is. Even the law enforcement agent said he liked my boat as he checked my gear a few weeks ago.

Well, last week I took delivery of a 220 Dauntless and guess what? When I launched it I had a couple of people say "nice boat" and a few hours later when I pulled it out, same thing. Go figure.

Dennis

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-17-2006 05:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
"....The Contender for example is the darling of the internet now. I agree it looks purposeful in the larger sizes and the few I have seen are definitly quality built but the smallest they build seems to be a 21 footer."


In the time it takes for you to read this thread a Contender
could SINK!

http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=107384&posts=73&highlight=contender%20sunk&highlightmode=1#M1074856

Knot at Work posted 09-19-2006 03:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
Just my luck to own a hated boat... Yea but what do I know, I also like the Oakland Raiders, NASCAR, and light beer.

lakeman posted 09-19-2006 07:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for lakeman  Send Email to lakeman     
Hated boat or not, it still amazes me when I take my Whaler to the ramp and hear all the good comments from ramp watchers, other boaters or just plain folks about the boat and other Whalers they have owned or know about.
The Internet is a strange and wonderful place but a place where people can hide behind screen names and execute their freedom of speech to say what ever they want with out any justification or the fear of being known or punched in the nose.
chopbuster posted 09-19-2006 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster  Send Email to chopbuster     
Ah yes, opinions on boats are as likened to @#$%^&8, everyone has one and your point is?
srec1 posted 09-19-2006 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for srec1  Send Email to srec1     
It never ceases to amaze me the comments that I recieve about my 19 foot 94 outrage II when I dock at different marinas around northern michigan. It can be sitting next to a 2 milliion dollar hatteras and everybody drools and gushes about the whaler. Go figure.
swist posted 09-20-2006 08:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
The Whaler has always been an eye-catching boat. I get compliments on my Montauk from people who have do idea what it is. As I said in another thread, I never felt that the looks of classic Whalers necessarily followed Bob Dougherty into Edgewater and Everglades, good as those brands may be mechanically.

Back to the thread topic at hand, people still want Whalers and if they can't have one, they pull a classic sour grapes posture. Seems as simple as that to me.

BW23 posted 09-20-2006 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for BW23  Send Email to BW23     
I owned one and will never own another one over 20' due to the well known rough ride.

The competition has caught up to BW and there are much better values else where.

I know of a Dealer that sells both BW and Grady. They don't stock and can't sell(didn't say won't)any Whaler over 21'.

BW still makes an upper tier boat with a "STATUS SYMBOL" price.

bluewaterpirate posted 09-20-2006 04:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
They will beat the hell out of you.

I'm surprised Whaler hasn't down something to add deadrise to their larger CC's. 22 degrees would be terrific. I can tell you from experience after riding 100 miles to and from the off shore fishing grounds, I'm sore as heck. Sometimes it's much better to run 35 to keep the Ventura on top of the chaos.

That's why the Evergaldes ride so smooth it's the DR.

Cheers ......

dmeswi posted 09-21-2006 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for dmeswi  Send Email to dmeswi     
I have a 220 Dauntless (22 footer). It runs smooth and dry. We have taken her out through the pass and into the gulf several times and she just powers through the rough stuff and even on those rough days we stay high and dry. Last week it was rough going by the naval base and we saw boats taking to the air and slamming back down. We passed them going 30 knots while sipping our drinks.

Dennis

highspeed_jd posted 09-21-2006 11:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for highspeed_jd  Send Email to highspeed_jd     
I don't consider my boat to be hated boat. Its more of a head turner and makes people envious. The only trash talk I've gotten about my 25 outrage is the gas guzzling motors that I have attached. But they get better mileage than they think.
PeteB88 posted 09-22-2006 10:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Only relevant point is rough ride with smaller boats - trade off for versatility? I can say this for sure - I launch either one of my small late 70s Whalers and everyone checks them out. Compare to any other 70s glass boat at the ramp or water and there is no comparison. I wish I didn't have to worry about rocks and stuff like that (compared to PNW whitewater Al sled boat experience) but again, tradeoff for comfort (most of the time) and versatility.
thediscusthrower posted 09-22-2006 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for thediscusthrower  Send Email to thediscusthrower     
It's nice to be hated. LOL. Sounds more like jealousy. Just like other members have stated, I get kudos everywhere I go; i.e., "nice boat," "that's my dream boat," and "is that new"?

Last weekend, I got about a block from home (when I was headed out for a fishing trip in Ocean City, NJ) before someone was yelling to me [from the sidewalk] "nice boat."

My boat is a 1995 Dauntless 15' with a 1996 70hp Evinrude and all the commentary makes my small boat feel big! It's actually gotten a little comical at this point. I now just look over at my Dad when it happens and laugh. It's pretty neat and it makes all the hard work keeping it immaculate worth it.

Bob

swist posted 09-22-2006 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
Adding deadrise would increase the power requirements, and make the boat roll more. You can't get comfort for free.

bluewaterpirate posted 09-22-2006 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Don't care about the roll ...... would rather have a softer ride more than the bone jarring ride of today. Each hull design has its trade offs. Most of todays off shore CCs have 22 - 24.5 degrees of deadrise. That's why Whaler has a hard time their big top of the line CC. The issue is the ride not the craftsmanship.

BWP

BW23 posted 09-23-2006 08:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for BW23  Send Email to BW23     
OK,
BW is still marketing their un-sinkability and it has always commanded a price!

The envy started decades ago due to their "significantly higher price" which to some is a "STATUS" symbol.

Today, there are so many better built boats (some un-sinkable) that perform and RIDE better.

Today, the envy in most marinas is,

REGULATOR
CONTENDER
YELLOWFIN
INTREPID .......and so on.

It's kinda like "old school / new school".

BW can't compete($$$$$) in the over 20' market !!!

Cheers!

highanddry posted 09-23-2006 11:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Just got back from an end of season trip with the boat to let my parents have a nice trip and good time. We were on a large Ozark impoundment--certainly not the Gulf or Great Lakes--but Thursday the wind was blowing dang hard down the full length with gusts up in the 40s and tornadoes about. We were diving and my dad acting as skipper dropping us out and picking us up, to rough to anchor. We were the only boat out. We pulled into one of the large marinas for fuel and restroom call and the owner was all fretfull about us going back out. The Nantucket cut through the sharp surf with ease running hard at 30. Yeah, it caught air a few times and when coming about to pick up my last diver we took water over the bow. It was rough for an inland lake.

There are lot's of good boats out there, at least under 20 feet I really doubt there is much that handles rough weather beter than a Whaler or inspires as much confidence regarless of what the current internet darling might be. This is not a big boat and yet it can be pushed hard in the rough stuff. Above 20 feet I might look at something else but below 20--Whalers rule the seas (lakes and whatever)--not Lunds--and get a lot more compliments at the ramp if that matters.

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