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|Author||Topic: 2007 Prices|
posted 09-30-2006 01:59 PM ET (US)
Just called the dealer out in Salt Lake City about 2007 17 Montauk prices and WOW!!!! Prices jumped $5000.00. They say it is becuase the cost of steel and other materials. Now I am really going to look for a 2006 hold over and hopefully get it for a decent price. Thoughts or suggestions of dealers with holdovers????
posted 09-30-2006 04:11 PM ET (US)
Call another dealer, or the factory to verify. That sounds like a salesman's ploy to get you to buy a 2006 now.
posted 09-30-2006 05:44 PM ET (US)
Funny thing is that he said that his last 2006 moved out two months ago. I just can't believe that they would mark that boat up that much. He said if I was interested now he would knock $1000.00 off. So the message that i keep hearing about BW setting the price on the program boats sounds a little bit like colusion on the part of all of the dealers. One price and they all agree that each one will not undercut the other. To be honest I realy don't give a d*** what Brunswick's business plan says, I want the lowest price possible.
posted 09-30-2006 06:30 PM ET (US)
Colorado Whaler: What price were you quoted?
posted 09-30-2006 07:35 PM ET (US)
Lots of steel in Whalers.
posted 09-30-2006 10:45 PM ET (US)
Just checked the Whaler website under "build your Whaler" for the 170 Montauk. $23,104.00. Is that 2006 or 2007?
posted 10-01-2006 11:15 AM ET (US)
If a verado engine is installed on that 2007 Montauk then you can bet it will be much more that $23K. Last I heard, 2007 is the year that the Verado 90 will be packaged on the Montauk. I'm sure this will be the Montuak manufactured in 2007 not the ones manufactured now as 07's.
posted 10-01-2006 07:42 PM ET (US)
The dealer quoted the 2007 Montauk 17 at $28,999.00, but if i were to but it soon he would knock off $1000.00. This was after five minutes on the phone. The one piece left out is what type of engine. I did not ask assuming it was the typical 90 Merc. The dealer here has two 2006 models left, but he is not budging.
posted 10-02-2006 11:06 AM ET (US)
I would find another dealer. The price is not in line with the market.
posted 10-02-2006 07:31 PM ET (US)
There is not much steel in a Boston Whaler, and not even that much in the (mostly aluminum) Mercury outboard. There is some steel in the trailer, but that is a small percentage of the total package price.
posted 10-02-2006 09:07 PM ET (US)
I don't think we have enough facts here to base a decision on.
On Whaler.com the base 170 Montauk prices out at $23,104
That price does not include transportation from the factory to the dealer [not cheap].
Dealer prep is not included, it doesn't ammount to much but I would expect the dealer to hit you for 2 to 3 hrs.
What factory installed options are included [they add up in a hurry].
A very important one is what engine is installed, the old 90 or the new one?
Colorado Whaler please fill in some blanks.
posted 10-04-2006 08:09 AM ET (US)
Just keep looking its a buyers market
posted 10-05-2006 04:38 PM ET (US)
Just took delivery on my '07 Montauk 170, Merc 90 FourStroke (the darth vader motor), swim platform, bow cushion, cooler package, Karavan trailer. $25,000.
posted 10-05-2006 05:15 PM ET (US)
Sweet. I presume no electronics and no taxes, etc in that figure?
I hope you will keep the rest of us posted on the fuel (and other) performance.
posted 10-05-2006 05:23 PM ET (US)
mcswimboy congrats on the new purchase!
Curious.. Is that Karavan the standard Galvanized Trailer with Swing Tongue or the optional Aluminum Trailer.
I saw a new 170 trailer over here in HI that looked nothing like my 04 Karavan trailer.
posted 10-05-2006 05:35 PM ET (US)
correct, no taxes (5.1%) or registration ($29) and no electronics. It was an OK deal, not nearly what I was hoping for, but as others have noted, despite being a buyers market, the dealer would not budge any lower. The Whaler website is decieving in that the price does not include shipping and dealer prep which were two pretty significant costs.
The Karavan is the galvanized one with the swing tongue. very nicely made and plenty light.
It's a sweet thing, beautifully made. The motor purrs very quietly. Still breaking it in and enjoying it before the water gets hard. Will keep you posted on the performance.
posted 10-05-2006 05:37 PM ET (US)
Excellent number mcswimboy.
Based upon his location, whaler1234,
posted 10-05-2006 09:39 PM ET (US)
Unfortunately, many consumer goods have a significant portion of their materials that are derived from oil. Epoxy resins, and many other plastics start out in life as Texas Tea. Also, all of the materials must be transported to and from the factory, further increasing the impact of the price of a barrel of Black Gold.
It's a sad but true fact: we're addicted to the stuff.
posted 10-06-2006 01:56 AM ET (US)
You said it's sad but true that we're addicted to oil.
It's true but it's certainly not sad! Oil fuels our hobby of Boston Whalers. In fact, as someone once said, oil is the "Fuel of Freedom". Oil exists for us to use, what else are we going to do with it?? There is plenty of it and good ol' USA technology allows us drill cleaner and safer than any other country in the world.
posted 10-06-2006 07:58 AM ET (US)
The last reply is just plain ridiculous. There is NOT plenty of it, at least not that we can come up with domestically, and we use way more than we need to. We are at the mercy of unstable wacko governments and this is the "fuel of freedom"?
posted 10-06-2006 09:28 AM ET (US)
I doesn't take much research to find data supporting the fact that there is more oil in Alaska and off our Gulf of Mexico coast than the entire Middle East. Envirnmental concerns are being addressed. Too many envirnomental extremists with government "grants" are slowing production. I hope you have read the reports than there is more oil lost in natural "spills" from fissures in the earths underwater crust than all the man caused oil spills combined. Earth recovers very quickly. Don't listen to the 'hype' - search the facts.
posted 10-06-2006 02:47 PM ET (US)
Well, I do have a MS plus 30 in Geology and did work for more than a decade in the petroleum exploration field and did do my time offshore in the Gulf and other places--yes--there is plenty of undiscovered oil right here in the USA. I do not think we need to drill it all up. Like any non renewable resource we should guard our supply and carefully dole it out. High(er) but not unreasonable prices allow for exploration for domesrtic reserves and promote reasonable conservatism. Yes, it is right to not buy into all of the hype and doom and gloom. I also don't think we need to go crazy and drill the h--l out of everything --leave some for the future and those who will come after us and an environmently legacy we will be proud of--for them.
posted 10-08-2006 10:04 PM ET (US)
Don't kid yourself, there is no deciding to drill or not to drill based upon any sort of lofty "save it for future generations" notion. That's a nice sentiment, however ridiculous it may be. The decision to drill or not is based 100% upon greed and nothing else. If we could figure out how to drill every drop of the domestic oil, we would do so without the slightest hesitation. The fact that we "need" so much oil that we would cozy up to the whackos we do should tell you something about where our ideals lie. These people are not our friends in the normal sense of the term. Our dependance on foreign oil is the underlying cause of much of the worst in the world, which is why we are so incredibly popular around the planet.
Oil has become a strategic mineral.
posted 10-09-2006 01:34 AM ET (US)
Well, Royboy, I did not say that is why we do not drill, I said it is why we should not drill. Unlike you, I still have hope for mankind beyond my existence and yours. There are considersable untapped reserves of the California coast that are not produced or exploited due to environmental/political issues. I know this for fact since I worked several areas there and they have yet to be drilled or produced. If what you say is true, perhaps it is time to produce those areas in California.
posted 10-09-2006 07:21 AM ET (US)
Without the rose colored glasses, the oil in California and elsewhere in the U.S. that is not being drilled is only still in the ground because of environmental/political issues and not because an oil company didn't want to drill it to save it for wonderful mankind. Ignoring the truth doesn't make it go away.
Start with this question: What percentage of the oil consumed in the U.S. comes from domestic sources? Did they mention that at any point during your extensive education on the subject?
|david w brown||
posted 10-14-2006 05:27 PM ET (US)
Have just ordered a new 170 Montauk, to replace my 2000 130gls. The Montauks are being offered with a 100 four stroke Mercury for around £20,000, which is considerably more than your quotations.
I wish I could get one at your prices!!!
posted 10-17-2006 09:45 PM ET (US)
What does that translate into American dollars? Also, is that a 115 hp motor, I didn't know Mercury made a 100 hp four stroke.
posted 10-18-2006 04:23 PM ET (US)
The foreign version of the engines translates to:
75 is 80
90 is 100
115 is 115
posted 10-18-2006 04:53 PM ET (US)
100hp = 90hp because of higher taxes :)
posted 10-22-2006 07:52 AM ET (US)
I just received my Nov 2006 edition of Saltwater Sportsman.
Montauk 190 is featured. Listed price is $28,174 with the Veradito 115 four stroke and galvanized trailer.
I absolutely hate how the bimini stays up even in the folded position. It's bad for a fisherman and for garage stowage. Otherwise, a fine looking boat.
posted 10-22-2006 11:44 AM ET (US)
On my 2006 150 Montauk the bimini can be left up as the picture shows of the 190. Pull 2 quick pins that hold the supports to the deck and it will fold down.
posted 10-22-2006 12:16 PM ET (US)
Dick - Good for you. Some of the other posts I have seen seemed to indicate the Bimini frame would not clear the bow railing. That would be poor engineering. I leave the bimini flush on the cuddy deck forward of my windscreen most of the time.
posted 10-22-2006 12:25 PM ET (US)
See 170 debut article in Cetacea for history with the bimini. Hopefully they learned from this for the 190.
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