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Inabanus posted 10-13-2006 09:43 PM ET (US)   Profile for Inabanus   Send Email to Inabanus  
I currently have a 150 Sport, 2004, with 60hp Merc 4 stroke and am considering an upgrade over the winter/early spring to a 170 Montauk or 190 Montauk.

I am looking for advice on two fronts. First, I tow my boat with an AWD Volvo Cross Country Wagon that can tow up to 3,300 pounds with a trailer that has brakes. Both models fall within this capacity, however the 190 Montauk is getting close to that limit. Does anyone have experience towing the 190 with a similar vehicle / vehicle capacity?

Second, I would appreciate any general thoughts on both vessels. I am 6'4" tall and a little concerned about the console being too small on the 170, although I have used the 150 Sport faithfully the last three summers and certainly had a blast, so I know I could "deal with it."
I have heard that the boat shows offer the best deals but wonder what else Whaler owners reading this can provide. I used my boat mostly on Narragansett Bay in Rhode Island.

Thanks in advance.

highanddry posted 10-14-2006 01:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Sounds like you need a new vehicle.
Perry posted 10-14-2006 01:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
When you add up the weight of a Montauk 190, you are over 3400 lbs:

boat.........1900 lbs
trailer......600 lbs
gas..........300 lbs
cooler/ice...100 lbs
gear.........100 lbs
misc. ??? lbs

highanddry said it right "Sounds like you need a new tow vehicle".

Perry posted 10-14-2006 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Oops, don't forget to add 400+ lbs for a motor as well!
ryland posted 10-14-2006 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for ryland  Send Email to ryland     
I just bought a new 150 sport last week. I went to the boat show and I went to the dealer. Prices were the same because the dealer I went to was the same one at the boat show. My Tacoma is rated for 3200 lbs. I would be skeptical about the 19 footer. Your car would probably tow it. But your car would also suffer in the process i.e. transmission, engine oil, brakes, suspension. Personally I would not tow the 19 with my car or yours. I would even be optimistically cautious about the 17. It depends on how far and often you will trailer the boat. There are some modifcations that can be made for any vehicle to help it tow with more ease. You may look into those.
Inabanus posted 10-14-2006 04:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Inabanus  Send Email to Inabanus     
Thanks for all the replys so far. I just walked in the door from viewing the 170 Montauk at a dealership (they will not have a 190 until next week as it seems everyone is selling out of them) and pretty much came to the conclusion that the 190 is pushing the limits. Now I am back to the old "should I trailer a boat or keep it in a slip" discussion with myself. The 190 is certainly a beauty, but comes with of course the higher price tag and the slip cost.

After three summers in the 150 Sport I would imagine, after sitting on the 170 today, that it would be a pretty big improvement for only two more feet of length, and likely allow me to cover some more ground in less pleasant weather.

Anyone reading this have some thoughts on the 170 in terms of ride and dryness?

bigjohn1 posted 10-14-2006 06:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
I like the ride of my 170 and use it offshore all the time but it is still a 17' boat. I truly think if you are looking for a SIGNIFICANTLY better ride, forget about the 170 and go to a 19 footer.
highanddry posted 10-14-2006 09:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Even with the 17 footer your Volvo will be overloaded by the time it is loaded with people, gear, the boat is loaded with gear and fuel and considering that the world is not flat and that sometimes there is wind and other obstacles, 3,300 pounds tow limit, you might as well have a skate board. You need a new vehicle with more capacity.
highanddry posted 10-14-2006 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
I take that back, what the heck, if your only towing a couple of easy miles from driveway to a gentle ramp then go ahead, when the Volvo goes TU you can get another vehicle then.
Barney posted 10-14-2006 09:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
I agree the Volvo would be ok for short runs with the 170. On the interstate, it would be no fun even with brakes on the trailer. The 190 is asking for a bigger towing vehicle. I tow the 170 with trailer brakes behind a 4 cylinder 5 speed Tacoma. Jim
Inabanus posted 10-15-2006 11:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Inabanus  Send Email to Inabanus     
Jim,

Thanks for the reply. I am coming up with about 2,300 - 2,400 pounds total for boat/trailer/engine/gas which is over 900 lbs less than the max towing capacity. I will keep my fingers crossed. Any general comments on how you like you 170 is appreciated. Thanks again.

Barney posted 10-15-2006 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
We love our 170, and it is perfect for what we use it for, fishing, boating and skiing. But I would recommend getting in both boats and see how you like the consoles while standing up. Also, my brother-in-law is taller and he can bump into the bimini. Jim
WT posted 10-15-2006 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Inabanus:

Get the 190 Montauk put her in a slip. I guarantee that you will use her a lot more than if you had to trailer her.

With her in a slip it still makes sense the drive to the marina and use the 190 Montauk just for an hour. It would be kind of a pain in the butt to have to trailer a 190 Montauk to and from a ramp only to use her for a hour.

Unless you need to stay small, go big and get the 190 Montauk.

My 2 cents,

Warren

gorji posted 10-15-2006 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for gorji  Send Email to gorji     
Upgrading should mean a tangible upgrade. Going from a 15 to 17 foot boat is a small upgrade. Consider that you might outgrow the 170 montauk earlier than anticipated.
AllanR posted 10-16-2006 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for AllanR  Send Email to AllanR     
Seems that if you are that tall, you will not be happy with the 170 in the long run. The 190 is the better boat for your size and needs. To avoid upgrading twice, I would say get the 190. But, it would require a new vehicle like noted above, which limits you to a slip. The slip is more convenient for boating, as the boat is always there in the water, but it limits you from towing to other places that you could otherwise take the boat.

Get the 190 for now, and a slip, then later get a better tow vehicle and you will have the best setup for all occasions.

highanddry posted 10-16-2006 02:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
How much do these slips cost? Maybe the money would be better spent geting a vehicle with actual tow capability. I would say get something with a minimum of 5,000 pound capacity with factory tow package. If your getting the 190 I would move up to a vehicle with something in the 6500 pound tow capacity. Of course, I tow long distances so I need the extra reserve,if your towing just a few blocks you can do with less.
swist posted 10-16-2006 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
The Montauk 170 console and windshield are short. I am 5'11" and when sitting down I am barely sheltered. On the other hand I got the 170 because of the simplicity, economy (both purchase and fuel) and the fact that any class II (3500 lb) towing vehicle can easily deal with it (I have a 3.0L Ford Escape which doesn't even notice the Montauk except on VERY steep inclines).
chopbuster posted 10-20-2006 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster  Send Email to chopbuster     
Inabanus:

You're in RI, if you pull the 190 out and winter it elsewhere, that in it self will require a trailer and perhaps a better tow vehicle.

Inabanus posted 10-21-2006 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Inabanus  Send Email to Inabanus     
Thanks everyone for their input/replies. I am knew to this site and glad I discovered it.

I made the "mistake" of viewing both the 170 and 190 Montauks today in the showroom, and I have to say that the 190 won me over. Now, it is just a function of pulling the trigger at one of the winter boat shows here in New England and placing an order.

Fittingly, I arrived home to a message on my answering machine from the boat yard saying the 150 Sport I have has been winterized and shrinkwrapped and is ready for me to pick up for storage. Upon returning the service manager's call, I inquired about a 20ft slip for next summer and was placed on the waiting list. Here we go again - constant thoughts about next season in a new Whaler!

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