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Used Boat Market Has Many 28 to 29-foot CONQUEST's For Sale
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posted 12-13-2006 07:22 PM ET (US)
There are a lot of [CONQUEST boats between 28 and 29 feet in length] for sale on [a website]. Does anyone know of a problem with them? Many have relativly low hours, under 300. I've never ridden in one but would like to. It seems strange to see so many for sale. I think they may be underpowered. Most have 450-HP when the maximum is 600. Perhaps really poor on fuel consumption. Less than 1-MPG.
A local yacht broker says they pound more than other makes in head swell. He also mentioned the atf cabin bunk is often wet. He did't know why. Also mentioned the usable area of the boat was limited to the stern and cabin, thus not for a fisherman. I'd like to hear some other opinions regarding these boats.
posted 12-13-2006 07:56 PM ET (US)
I like my 255 Conquest, best boat I have owned, There are many more Contenders for sale than Conquests. Yes, they pound doing 20+ in a tight chop so does every other vendor's boat.
posted 12-13-2006 08:32 PM ET (US)
Traffic lawyer thanks for the upbeat response. I agree. Every boat will pound into head swell. I generally like to run the boat hard, so naturally the pounding comes with that.
posted 12-14-2006 11:26 AM ET (US)
[CONQUEST boats between 28 and 29 feet in length are] a big 28. With bow pulpit and motors down you have an overall length of 32 to 33-feet and a 10-foot 6-inch beam. If the purchaser was used to a 24 to 25-foot boat with 8-foot to 8-foot six-inch beam he found himself with a whole new circumstance when docking or manuevering in tight situations. Also, these hulls perform much better with 250-HP motors so there could be something to the performance issue. Speculation on my part.
posted 12-14-2006 01:37 PM ET (US)
Fit and finish are top quality. There are many on the market at reasonable prices. Biggest problem is these boats do have notched hulls, meaning that hull doesn't extend the full length of the boat. Boston Whaler put a big boat on a small hull. The notched hull means that the minimum planing speed is high, about 16 knots. In rough sea conditions, the planing speed is too high for comfort and it is necessary to throttle back to displacement speed, 7 to 8-knots. Mirage 3 blade props confound the problem because they cavitate when the boat goes up a big roller. My 305 Conquest is a similar boat but has a full length hull. It will hold a plane at 11 knots with Revolution4 props. It will comfortably plane in 95-percent of sea conditions I encounter. This makes a big difference if you are in rough seas 50-nautical miles from port.
I found docking and manuevering easier with my 30-foot Conquest than with my previous 23 Conquest because two engines will pivot the bigger boat.
My boat isn't [fast] with 450-HP. It will cruise at 21-knots at 4,000-RPM and top out at 32-knots. I find that most of the time 21-knots is the maximum comfortable speed I can go because of sea conditions. I consider the fuel economy good, about 1.3-NMPG overall with 225-HP EFI four-stroke motors. Increasing to 500-HP would improve performance and enable the boat to cruise comfortably in the high 20's and top out at over 35-knots.
posted 12-14-2006 08:55 PM ET (US)
I suspect the economy, fuel prices, and interest rates have more to do with the number of these boats for sale than the boats themselves.
posted 12-14-2006 10:37 PM ET (US)
Well I appreciate all the response so far , Everyone of you has a valid point. I have been looking [at] these boats for some time now. I really need a sea trial to decide how I like them. I suspect the expense of running any 28 to 30-foot boat is perhaps the biggest reason to sell for most people. They sure look like great boats. I use my present Revenge 25 over 100-hours each year, I would expect the same or more hours in the future on a Conquest, but in more comfort. Perhaps the newer models are the way to go. Thanks again.
posted 12-15-2006 10:25 AM ET (US)
I sold my 02 275 Conquest back in 2004 due to the construction of a new house. Anyway, the only two complaints I had with it was the overall fuel economy was low and the boat did ride a bit hard. But the layout and quality were excellent.
I started my climb back up the mountain with a recent purchase of an 05 Montauk.
posted 12-23-2006 01:46 PM ET (US)
Interesting comment on the aft cabin wet. Yes, I can see that being a problem since I had a considerable time fixing this on my 275 Conquest. Basically, Whaler did a terrible job sealing up everything on the boat. Many places they didn't use any sealant, and when they did they used silicone against starboard which will not seal. Only 3M 5200 is good for this application.
The dealer and Whaler supported me very well, and after 6 months we got it all fixed up. But it took a lot of work. My boat is now 100% dry for the last 3 years.
I run Yamaha 4 strokes with 4 blade props and it works really well. I can hold a plane easily at 15 knots, and am getting up to 1.8mpg in calm seas. The boat planes much quicker than with the original 3 blade props.
I didn't think the boat pounded to bad, it is heavy and rides really well. I have been in some rough stuff with it and it is a dry ride even without the curtains.
I am in the process of moving up, that is why mine is for sale. See it at www.marinemax.com in Pensacola FL
posted 12-30-2006 09:54 AM ET (US)
I'd also noticed a bunch of good deals on circa 2000 28 Conquests, and I got tempted enough to buy a 1999 from a broker on Long Island and have it trucked up to Cape Cod. Before purchasing, I had the boat surveyed from someone I found on the web (maybe should have asked Continuous Wave for a L.I. recommendation first).
The survey was reasonably thorough with lots of very detailed pictures, and while the surveyor pointed out some galvanic corrosion on the lower units of the 225 Optimaxes (the previous owner must have left the motors down quite a bit for some reason), he didn't suggest I dig deeper. I'm not a very experienced boater so I didn't think much of it as it looked totally cosmetic.
Anyways, as it turns out, the lower units on both engines are very badly corroded on the inside (as much as 1/2 inch of metal gone in one place). So I'm looking at a few grand of repairs (replacing the lower units with rebuilt ones or at least the cases) or biting the much bigger bullet and repowering (ouch!).
I knew that the boat had not been very well maintained, which was reflected in the price, but as the engines only had about 250 hours on them, I figured they were probably good for a while.
At this point, my plan is to go with some rebuilt units, either from obrparts.com or elsewhere (Almars Outboards has also been recommended). I also need to replace some copper tubing which carries cooling water up into the power heads.
Anyways, the great news is that the rest of the boat has checked out really well and is in great condition aside from some truly purely cosmetic stuff (sun damage on the bolsters, a few dings, and one more serious impact on the aft starboard gunwale due, no doubt, to a bad docking incident). So all in all, I'm still feeling very good about the price I paid vs. needed repairs, etc.
If I had to do it all over again, I would have tried hard to pick up a boat with a generator, and, of course, looked much harder at any corrosion issues. I wasn't worried about electronics, since the new stuff is so much better and not horribly priced. I'm planning on putting in a Raymarine E80 unit with radar, GPS, and sonar (plus hand held backups).
I'll keep this board posted as to how things turn out!
ps. I'm still keeping my 1996 20' Dauntless which we use for tubing around Cape Cod bay, so this makes me a 2 whaler owner!
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