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Bought New 2005 Conquest 305
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posted 01-14-2006 07:12 PM ET (US)
While at the Chicago Boat Show, yesterday, I came across a great deal on a Conquest 305. It comes with most options, including A/C, generator, Northstar electronics, and twin 250 HP Mercury four-stroke outboards. The hardtop makes the boat look very nice. I should be getting it sometime in Spring. Can't do much with it now, in Wisconsin!
Dealer states it should go about 45-MPG. Anyone else with a Conquest 305 please shed some information on how this boat handles.
This is my fifth Boston Whaler. The last one I had was the 1989 27 Full Cabin with twin inboards (Mercruiser 350's). I had it for about 8 years and sold it in 1997.
I am looking forward to enjoying this boat this coming Spring.
posted 01-14-2006 09:04 PM ET (US)
I bought a 305 this last July. Great boat and it will do almost 45--MPG light. I think I had mine up to 44.5 with 1/3 fuel and two men on board with little gear.
You won't want to use that power often though, unless the gas consumption won't bother you. It will burn an alarming amount of gas at full throttle. The sweet spot for this boat with Verado's is around 4000-4200 rpm's. The boat likes this speed and the fuel burn is around 20-25 -GPH at this rpm range. Speed will be 25 to 30 -MPG. Do a search on the 305 for previous posts from myself and others with this great boat.
posted 01-14-2006 10:22 PM ET (US)
Thomas: I did a search and found more information on the boat. From all indications it seems that I am in for a big surprise when I finally get this thing in the water.
I get the indications that the boat has "throttle by wire." I assume this means no direct cable hook-up. When I tried the twin Merc controls, they where sooooooooooo smooth! These were tried on another boat, since I have not seen my boat yet, or any 305, except for pictures. I bought the boat at the Chicago Boat Show yesterday, from a dealer in Michigan City, Indiana, where the boat is stored.
posted 01-15-2006 01:56 AM ET (US)
I don't know if this is polite to ask but can you tell me how much you paid for it? I am debating between a 255 and 305. The 305 I am thinking of getting is hull #120 and it comes with a gen, weather curtain set, trim tab indicators, electronics and bottom paint. The dealer quoted me $202,000 plus tax. I can buy a 255 with twin 175 verados, electronics, espar heating, vacu flush, fishing package, hardtop, weather curtain, stereo and shore power for $112,000 plus tax. I have never owned a Whaler but have always dreamed of it. Any advice???
posted 01-15-2006 10:11 AM ET (US)
Revs: Like yourself, I was down to two Boston Whaler boat models that I had to choose from. One was a 2000-2001 34 Defiance with twin diesel inboards; and the other, was the 2005 305 Conquest.
My homework revealed the following, regarding the Conquest: The list was between $202,000 to $230,000, depending on options. The dealer should start out with 10% off, right off the bat. This was seen repeatedly at the boat show, by ALL boat dealers.
My next option was to get a "demo". I found one in MA, with only 100hrs, for about $180,000.
Bottom line: I was hoping to get one between $170,000 to $180,000.
While at the boat show, I saw an add for a 2005 30' Conquest for only $159,000! After some checking, it turns out to be a "factory" demo, used by the Boston Whaler rep in the region, over the summer. It has only 40 hrs on it, with full warranties, when sold as a new boat. The list on this was $207,000, which included most options, and the upgrade to the twin 250 HP Verados. The gen was gas, and not diesel. Why have two different fuels! The Northstar electronics package did not include the radar. While at the show, I was able to get a good price on a custom trailer, and open array Northstar radar.
My (quite a bit lower) offer was accepted, and that included new bottom paint, and delivery to my marina, 400 miles away. I don't think one could get another deal like this. I was VERY lucky, at the right place, at the right time.
Price redacted at author's request
posted 01-15-2006 01:38 PM ET (US)
Thank you for the quick reply! The boat I am looking at has the diesel generator and the open radar plus it is a 2006 model but it is still a demo boat and the dealer still wants $202,000! A big difference. WOW! I think I better stick with the 255 after hearing this.
posted 01-16-2006 08:38 AM ET (US)
Ditto - put a deposit down for a new 305 Conquest just before Xmas & expect delivery (in Greece) around April.
Will have to compare notes !
posted 01-16-2006 09:11 AM ET (US)
You should be looking for at least a 15% discount off of list and I think with some diligence, you can do better. 20% is possible, especially if you wait until July/August.
posted 01-16-2006 11:07 AM ET (US)
Yes - agreed 15% discount !
posted 01-24-2006 01:44 AM ET (US)
I'm about to buy a new 305 with Verado motors of 250-HP. Anyone have any trouble with them? Or do they live up to their advertising?
posted 01-25-2006 02:23 PM ET (US)
No problem with Verado motors or electronic controls. They're just a little thirsty over 4,500-RPM. Granted, I don't have that many hours on them, but I think they are great thus far. Lots of low and mid-range torque. Plenty of power for a 305. I think they are ideally suited for this boat.
posted 01-27-2006 06:27 PM ET (US)
Can you tell me the "total" length of the 305, with engines raised (as they would be while docked) to front of bow pulpit? BW states LOA is 32'1", but I don't think this includes the engines! With engines on, and trimmed up, the length would have to be longer.
I bought my boat out of State, and won't get it till Spring. I am trying to make arrangements for a slip. At first I thought a 35' slip would be enough, but I am not sure, possibly will need a 40' slip.
posted 01-27-2006 06:48 PM ET (US)
My 305 fits in a 30 foot slip. I dock heading in. The motors do stick out past the dock and there is some risk of some idiot hitting them. If I backed in, I couldn't raise the engines. A 35 or 40 foot slip would be better, but at my marina I would have to pay double for one.
posted 01-27-2006 06:55 PM ET (US)
From the transom to the skeg, the shaft of a 25 inch shaft outboard is approximately 40 inches long. Tilted up, I would figure that it extends 2.5 to 3 feet from the transom's end. So to be safe I would tack on 3 feet and say your LOA including the motor shaft is easily 35 feet.
posted 02-02-2006 12:39 AM ET (US)
I just bit the bullet and bought a 305 also. I am supposed to get it the end of April. The 305 is 35 feet 7 inches with the motors raised to the end of the pulpit.
posted 02-02-2006 12:56 AM ET (US)
This is quite an impressive thread, representing 5 new Conquest 305 owners and 10 Merc Verado 250's. Glad to see these boats and engines are so popular. That's about a million dollars worth of boats!
posted 02-04-2006 09:52 PM ET (US)
I just ordered a new 305 conquest with 250 verados, and have a 35 ft slip reserved.
posted 02-04-2006 10:13 PM ET (US)
Congratulations! I just received the "final" paper work on my 305, today. Can't wait till Spring.......still too cold in WI.
Yesterday, I reserved my 35' slip, and today I spent a good part of it getting supplies at a local West Marine store. Bought life jackets, flares, etc., and am now looking at a SSB transeiver.
posted 02-05-2006 04:31 AM ET (US)
Right on Henry! I'm from southern california so the weather isn't a problem. I will be taking her down from newport beach to san diego next week. I bought an epirb and some fishing tackle today. Some say the best 2 days of boat ownership is the day you buy the boat and the day you sell it. I think it's all worth the time in between! Good Luck! We should keep in touch here to compare notes.
posted 02-05-2006 04:35 AM ET (US)
Wow! Congradulations to all you people. Talk about dreams coming true.
posted 02-05-2006 08:03 AM ET (US)
Congrats to all of you.
posted 02-05-2006 01:36 PM ET (US)
Lost track of this thread for a few weeks. Glad you got the answer on the overall length.
When I bought my 305 last summer, I felt a bit lonely. It was handn and me a I think one other guy. If it hadn't been for handn's comments, I may have bought the Grady or Pursuit. Forums like this are a great source of information and with a bit of effort, one can sort through the subjective comments and really zero in on objective data.
I'm very glad to see others recognizing the excellence in the BW305. I think it's a real competitor to GW and Pursuit. The Verado engines at the time I purchased were the real unknown. Some data had been available, but not much. I like these motors as much as I like the boat. I'm sure they'll disappoint me at some moment, but I really think all of the extra technology adds up to a compelling power package for an outboard class boat like the 305.
To all of you new 305 owners, congrats!!! Glad to have some company and I look foward to hearing about your experience and feedback on the new boat.
posted 02-06-2006 12:23 AM ET (US)
I am quite surprised to learn you plan to install a MF or HF Maritime Single Sideband (SSB) radio. I have never seen an inland recreational vessel equipped with one.
posted 02-06-2006 09:44 AM ET (US)
Here is another chapter in my 305 love story.
We were out fishing at a local island 17 n.m from port yesterday. Buoyweather.com predicated a bluebird day with no wind. Instead, we had a SSE wind of 15 knots and dense fog. We were fishing in the lea of the island where it wasn't rough, but we could sea the white water out in the sea.
Onboard we had a non boater who clutched her life jacket.
All the other boats were chattering about how rough the ride back in would be into the head sea. One boat heading back in said waves were five to seven feet and there was water going over the top.
The ride back in was a non event. Our friend forgot about clutching her life jacket.
We planed back in at 14 knots. The ride was smooth and we took only an occasional burst of spray on the weather curtains. The radar showed us other boats and the approaching land.
In truth there were only tight 3 foot waves and an occasional 4 footer but the boat couldn't have done better.
posted 02-06-2006 06:13 PM ET (US)
Did you buy this boat new or used?
If new, note that your actual dealer is in Richland, MI. Laughing Gull Marina (Whaler dealer) supplies boats to Skipper Bud's in Michigan City, Indiana (and likewise). I found this out after investigating why the only regional Whaler dealer was located on a rather small inland lake.
Same thing for the Chicago area (though I don't know the relationships with the big-lake oriented dealers) - the Whaler Dealer is Gage's Marine on Lake Geneva, WI (very upscale lake community). The Lake Geneva location makes sense - upscale product being marketed on an upscale lake) but the lack of a Whaler dealership located within the country's 3rd largest city mystifies me. I think it is a HUGE hole in the representation for the company (which, by the way, is the host city of the parent company, Brunswick - actually Brunswick is located in the north Suburbs).
Anyway - congratulations on your purchase - I hope you're very satisfied with the rig.
No matter what those Merc reps tell you about VERADO, there is no way you're going to get 45 MPG out of that rig. 45 MPH, perhaps, but not 45 MPG - that's virtually a perpetual motion machine in the boating world!!
posted 02-06-2006 07:42 PM ET (US)
Buckda: You are right......it is not 45 MPG......I must of been thinking of the "hybrid" outboard........haha!!!!
The dealer is called B&E Marine, out of Michigan City, IN. Mine is a new 2005 model.....factory demo, but I got all new warranties, etc. They also sell Sea Rays.......must have just got the BW line. The Midwest just doesn't seem to have many Whaler boat people.........while people like them, they just don't seem to buy them. My nearest dealer is in Two Rivers, WI.......a very small town.....and he sells mostly small BWs......nobody orders the bigger ones........same with the Grady Whites.
jimh: The reason for the SSB on an inland lake is that, while the VHF has a range of 20-25 miles, this must be under ideal conditions. If one is caught in a storm, with blowing winds, waves 5-6 feet, boat bouncing around, thunder all around, I dought that the VHF will have any farther range than just a few miles. I believe that I can also get wether charts, with the SSB. Finally, it will prepare me for the Florida waters, when I retire in the next 2 years.
posted 02-08-2006 09:25 AM ET (US)
Hi henryk and other 305 owners
This is my first post. Have been logging on to Continuous Wave for about a year but tonight couldn't resist adding to the list of 305 owners. Boat is now about 6 months old, 70 hrs with 2 x 250 Verados and gen set. I hope you enjoy the boat as much as I do. It is quite a heavy craft, over 5 tonnes with some fuel and water but goes! I have made quite a few changes to suit my usage of the boat. One of the main items being to remove the stern ladder and add a 2 foot x 2 foot teak platform just above water level from which a new stainless ladder folds down. A new handrail runs down the combing above the shower, which also serves to support the teak platform. We do a lot of beach mooring and this addition has transformed the access onto the boat both from the water and from a dinghy.
From my experience, the performance data for the motors on the BW website for the 305 is spot on.
One issue I am in the process of hopefully solving relates to the props occasionally breaking out when the motors are trimmed out in rough seas when I want the bow up a bit. It is not unusual to have 20-25 knots blowing in the afternoons here on the West coast. The props are standard Mirage 15" pitch which I think are fine but I suspect I may have to lower the motors. At the moment they are mounted on the centre holes, which positions the motor's cavitation plate 2" above the bottom of the boat. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who has dealt with a similar situation.
posted 02-08-2006 12:35 PM ET (US)
I just purchased a 2006 285 Conquest (Hull #4) and expect to take delivery in Galveston, Texas on February 14th. Price was closed to 150K (with twin 225s)loaded but without electronics. I strongly considered the 305 but balked at the price diff. The 255 was just a bit too small for my family. This is my first Whaler but it seems I am in good company. Anybody else out there checked this new model out?
posted 02-08-2006 02:15 PM ET (US)
I bought my 305 before the 285 was introduced. I think the 285 is a great boat and for someone that wants to be a bit more trailerable, a great choice. I don't ever take the boat out of the water, so I wanted a bit more beam.
Best of luck. I'm sure she's going to be a pleasure to own and operate.
posted 02-08-2006 10:27 PM ET (US)
Peter G, Before you move you engines up or down, consider a prop change to Revolution 4's. You will notice a vast change from you Mirages, no more breaking out or cavitation. Revolution 4's are necessary in a big heavy boat like a 305 in real world rough sea conditions. Mirages are fine for a high speed, smooth water bassboat applications, shame on Mercury for putting them on a 305.
posted 02-09-2006 01:52 PM ET (US)
Congrats to all new 305 Conquest owners. Sauceman congrats on the new 285.
I spent 1 year trying to decide what to get - originally debating between a 255 and 305 and then heard about the 285 and waited 10 months before I could see it in person to make up my mind. I was impressed with the 285 but (here in Vancouver, Canada) there wasn't that much of a price difference between it and the 305 so I ended up getting the 305. My wife wanted the 305 from the beginning and I figured with 2 growing kids (5 and 9) I could use the extra bit of room. Plus I want to be able to anchor out lots so thought the generator could come in very handy.
My boat is supposed to arrive around May 1st. Has anyone actually gone to the factory to see their boat in production? My salesman suggested this but I don't think I will have time to do it. Would be interesting though!
I look forward to reading about everyone's experiences with their new boat and also the new Verados.
posted 02-11-2006 02:59 AM ET (US)
I was wondering what size are the Revolution 4 props you are using??
posted 02-11-2006 10:21 AM ET (US)
Thanks for your note about Revolution 4 props and your caution about lowering the motors. I looked at a previous post of yours and I notice you are using 17p x 15 and a bit. I have tried to get 15p Rev 4's to match the original Mirage pitch on the 305, but they only come in right hand. I have pulled 6100 rpm with the Mirage 15's with the 250 Verados, so there is room for a slight drop in top end revs which would probably happen with 17p Rev 4's. Top end speed is not of concern to me, but traction at low speed planing and in rough water is. I think I will order the 17p Rev 4's as you seem pleased with your result. Thanks for your input.
posted 02-11-2006 07:00 PM ET (US)
I pull 5600 rpm on my 17p Revolution 4s with 225 YamaMerc efi 4 strokes. This is in the middle of my wot throttle rpm range so the props are correct for my engines and boat. Peter g, I suspect they would be correct for your rig also as you have more h.p and will probably pull more rpm. You will like these props.
posted 12-24-2006 09:13 AM ET (US)
I looked a both the 305 and 285 back in the spring. Both are great boats. Sea trialed both and found the 285 a little easier to handle. Didn't need the extra cabin space so I went with the 285. The more I use the 285 the more I like it. Handles rough seas extremely well. Putches a lottle more than I like is a cross winf though.
posted 12-25-2006 12:25 AM ET (US)
I tried 15 inch Enertia props on my 305 with twin 250 Verados and didn't notice a difference compared to the Mirage 15 inch props. Anyone else tried the Enertia's?
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