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190 MONTAUK: Owner's Only
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posted 01-17-2007 11:15 AM ET (US)
After reading many personal opinions on this site, I have almost decided to purchase a new MONTAUK 190. But, to be totally sure, I would like to hear some owner opinions. If possible [I would like to see some] new pictures [of 190 MONTAUK boats]. Thanks.
posted 01-17-2007 01:34 PM ET (US)
I just saw the 190 Montauck at the Providence RI boat show. It had lots of room
posted 01-17-2007 02:17 PM ET (US)
You are not going to find anybody with [a new Boston Whaler 190 MONTAUK. [The new Boston Whaler 190 MONTAUK is too] new. I doubt anyone here has one to take pictures of. It would be nice wouldn't it?
There is a nice video of one in action on the Whaler site. Look for videos on the home page.
posted 01-18-2007 03:46 PM ET (US)
I looked at the 190 MONTAUK and 190 OUTRAGE. I was quite impressed with the [190 MONTAUK]. [The 190 MONTAUK] had everything [I] needed to fish, Scuba dive, and pleasure cuise. And the price [of the 190 MONTAUK] was more affordable than the 190 OUTRAGE. [The 190 MONUTAK has] everything except power. For two people 115-HP would be more than enough power, but add four adults, two kids, one dog and gear for a day, and it's going to be hard [getting the 190 MONTAUK to plane]. If [the 190 MONTAUK] was available with a 135 or 150-HP, [I] would have bought one. Instead [I] purchased a 190 OUTRAGE with 150-HP Verado, and I feel it was the best decision for me. I still think the 190 MONTAUK is a great boat, just a little underpowered.
posted 01-18-2007 06:44 PM ET (US)
A fellow forum member just went to Austin TX boat show and was told by Whaler they will rate [the 190 MONTAUK] for 135-HP soon. I hope they offer an OptiMax option.
posted 01-18-2007 07:35 PM ET (US)
Scott: your comments sound EXACTLY like a lot of comments here
when the Montauk 170 came out: "90HP max, it will never
perform!". But it does.
posted 01-19-2007 05:47 AM ET (US)
In my opinion 115-HP seems enaugh for a 19-foot boat, but maybe the 190 MONTAUK hull is too low. Doesn't it?. What is the hull height over the water? And the 190 OUTRAGE.
posted 01-19-2007 08:30 AM ET (US)
Ray20 - Just as another data point, I have owned two post-classic Outrage models; a 1996 17' with 135 HP and a 1998 20'(w/T-top) with 175 HP, and I can assure you that neither was overpowered. I basically cruised both boats, with very occasional use to pull a teenager on a wakeboard. Speed is definitely not my thing, but I know I would not have been very happy with less power on either of these boats.
While I believe that 115 HP will get the 190 Montauk up on plane with a light load, I have a hard time believing that this will be a satisfying boat to run over the years given the varying load and sea conditiona we all inevitably experience. As many have said here before, pick the highest horsepower Whaler offers on the boat! Not only will you be happier, but when it comes time to sell or trade up, you'll do much better as well.
My $0.02 worth. Barry
posted 01-19-2007 12:52 PM ET (US)
Just for the record, I have a Nantucket 2004 (Das Boat) with 115 [added a dash two but probably means it is a two-stroke] , not the 115 [added a dash four, but probably means four-stroke] and it get me and four adults up on plane lickity split and has enough speed for me. I am sure there is a breakout and graph on what she will do. If you have to do close to 50-MPH, no, this is not the engine for you. With four people, full tank of gas, lots of canvas, sun lounge, she will cruise all day long in the mid thirties! I think a long time back I broke it out per my Garmin188c. As I said then and continue to say now it all depends on your flavor and tastes. I wanted a lot of other things first, before I wanted a 150. Such as forward shelter, sun lounge, radio, Garmin 188c, Bimini top. Is really a personal taste thng this power [decision]. But if My [190 NANTUCKET] is fine with a 115 [added dash two, probably means two-stroke], then I think the 190 MONTAUK would be fine. It is a lighter hull than the Nantucket. I would still prefer the 190 NANTUCKET because of its layout and shape, but that's again another story, filled with personal taste. Another [basis for making a decision] is cost. When I bought my Nanucket in 2004, it cost a lot less [compared to] now where it is close to $48,000 with all the extras I have.
posted 01-19-2007 02:50 PM ET (US)
Boston Whaler needs to [increase the maximum horsepower rating on] the 190 MONTAUK to 135-HP and on the 190 OUTRAGE to 175-HP. Since there is essentially no increase in weight with these engines there would be no weight [difference], just additional power. For example, the 135, 150 and 175 OptiMax engines are the same weight. I think the Verado and Yamaha are as well.
This isn't about speed, it is about moving maximum loads in undesireable conditions with authority. It is about responsiveness and increased fuel economy. My OptiMax 150 gets better economy than the carburertor 115--quite a bit more.
posted 01-20-2007 08:05 PM ET (US)
I posted pictures of the 190 and Dauntless 200 last week:
posted 01-20-2007 08:06 PM ET (US)
One more time:
posted 01-20-2007 11:15 PM ET (US)
posted 01-25-2007 10:37 AM ET (US)
Finally I have ordered a new 190 MONTAUK, and it will be ready in May or June. So I will write about 115-HP Mercury. It is a shame that factory do not offer curtain for the sun top. I saw that curtain in a 190 NANTUCKET and it is looks very nice, but I don't know if fittings will resist strong winds.
posted 01-25-2007 04:48 PM ET (US)
Ray - one thing to note on that Mercury 115. Since the gear ratio is 2.07:1, this is going to limit the practical propeller choices you have on your rig. I checked the Mercury site and confirmed the gear ratio on the 115 is the same as its been for some years now. I think what you are going to find is that you must run lower pitch propellers on your boat than other folks can.
I say this based upon my experience with a 2004 Merc 115 EFI on a heavily loaded 170 Montauk. If you heavily load your 190 Montauk, I am going to go out on a limb and say your propeller choices are likely going to be either a 16 Vengeance or 17 Trophy Plus. If this boat is going to simply be a family cruiser, maybe I'm wrong.
posted 01-26-2007 11:40 PM ET (US)
I understand the bow rails but why do so many Montauks have the "baby" rails on the side? Why have low freeboard to allow easy over fishing, access etc and then put a rail on top of it. Why not just have higher freeboard if it is a concern? Hopefully that is just an option you don't have to get.
posted 01-27-2007 12:18 PM ET (US)
Highanddry, I agree about moving maximum loads with authority. I could not have said it better. My 190 outrage/150 verado planes fast and with little effort with a full crew. I had a bad experience with not having enough power on a friends boat coming back in the jetties at cape canaveral. I wasn't sure if we would make it back in with 3-5 chop and heavy current. We got it on the 3rd try. I believe under bad conditions is where a lot of boats come up short on power. I also believe that to many people(my friend)do not have enough boating experience and don't spend enough time shopping for what they really need in a boat. He's on his 2nd boat (22.5ft with a 150hp)in 2 years and is looking again. Just my thoughts
posted 01-27-2007 06:55 PM ET (US)
I have been a fisherman all my life and about 6 years back started renting skiffs on City Island, NY to get out on the water. Once I got a steady job as a college professor I bought a used 19 foot Sundance skiff with 60 HP that I have used for the last four years in Western Long Island Sound City Island area. I needed to repower the boat so I convinced my wife to let me take out a home equity loan so I could get a new engine, but while I was out in California her very wealthy brother bowled me over by saying he wanted to give me a boat ( please don’t begrudge me my luck). After doing my research and for me an unlimited amount of money I decided on my superskiff the Montaulk 190 . The only concessions I had to make for my wife was to get a bimini top and the front cushions (not the sun lounge) but if you get the front cushions you can't delete the bow rail. The side rails are factory installed. I am a bit concerned with the comments on the engine but I am not hung up on speed and the vast majority of the time I just have my fishing gear, beer, and my buddy D-Drift. I do hope I will feel confident enough to take it out in snotty weather and down the East River and out into the New York Bight. I am picking it up in a couple of weeks and cant wait to get it out on the water the first week of April. I had the smallest boat at the marina before but I took it out more than anyone and I am looking forward to many adventures on and out of the Sound on the Debunker2. I'll make sure to post some of my stories and what the Montaulk 190 is all about. I'm hoping it will be the super skiff of my dreams.
See you on the water
posted 01-28-2007 12:42 AM ET (US)
I wish you great luck with your new Montauk, I bet it will be a fantastic boat for you.
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