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Jack C posted 02-18-2007 06:30 PM ET (US)
Hello to all - new to this site. The short story is that I'm a tad bit interested in a new 190 Montauk. It would be used to fish Long Island Sound, mainly deep water rips drifting with diamond jigs, bucktails, and eels. Occassional trips across [unrecognized acronym] about 15 miles one way.
Fast questions: 1. Ride quality? 2. Number of anglers that would be comfortable? 3. Is the package deal 115-HP four-stroke OK? 4. Has anyone installed a T-top and did you have [problems] doing it? I realize it changes the dynamics of the boat. My current boat has a T-top and I promised myself that I would never have an open boat without one. Plus I eventually would want a radar unit. 5. How dry is the boat? 6. Is fish storage a [problem]? Picture the need to ice down a pile of bluefish and a few bass. The blues go to the local convent--seriously.
Pondering the 190 Montauk in CT.
Thanks - Jack

jimh posted 02-18-2007 09:05 PM ET (US)
Jack--I got a good laugh about giving the Bluefish away. Many years ago I was out in Long Island Sound, caught a huge amount of Bluefish, and ended up giving them all away, too.
According to the tests conducted by Boston Whaler, a 190 MONTAUK has an optimum range of 344 miles, so heading off for a destination that is 15 miles away will not be much of a problem for the boat. See:
http://whaler.com/Rec/pdfs/190MontaukEng.pdf
There are not too many first-hand reports about the 190 MONTAUK. I do not believe we have too many owners participating yet. The hull form of the 190 MONTAUK appears to be an extension of the 170 MONTAUK, and the 170 MONTAUK has received just about universally positive comments about its ride and handling.
The boat is only offered with the 115-HP Mercury "FourStroke" or Veradito motor. There has been some mention that the reason only one motor is available at the moment has to do with certification of the hull for Coast Guard capacity. Some have speculated that there may be an optional motor coming to the 190 MONTAUK in the future.
You have to keep in mind that all Boston Whaler boats are vessels (and that is an intentional pun) for Mercury outboard motors. Looking at the Mercury line, the next larger motor would be a 135-HP, either an OptiMax or a Verado. An OptiMax would only weight about 40-lbs more than the Veradito. A Verado would weigh 110-lbs more.
My money is on the OptiMax 135 being the optional motor for the 190 MONTAUK. The extra 20-HP should bump the top speed above 40-MPH.
As for installing a T-Top, I have my doubts. A T-Top creates a tremendous amount of stress on the hull. In a Boston Whaler boat there has to be embedded reinforcements in the hull to permit points of attachment to have proper strength. You cannot just retrofit some backing plates as can be done with other boats. If the reinforcements are not molded into the Unibond hull, it is very difficult to strengthen an attachment point for high-load fasteners. If Boston Whaler offers a T-Top as an option, you will be OK fitting one to the same attachment points. If they do not, you will have problems fitting a T-Top.
highanddry posted 02-19-2007 12:31 AM ET (US)
I don't know for sure [about the T-Top reinforcements in the 190 MONTAUK]. The 190 Outrage has pads for a T-Top, and I bet they are there for the Montauck 190 as well. Since so few of these boats are out there I would just call Boston Whaler. See if they will shoot you a copy of the "wood" locating diagram. This will show you al of the hard points for the Montuck 190.
H&D
Perry posted 02-19-2007 03:08 AM ET (US)
Highanddry brings up a good point. Here is a link to the wood diagram for a 190 Montauk from whaler.com. There appear to be four 8" X 8" phenolic pads laminated into the hull for a T-TOP (item c).
http://www.whalerparts.com/Diagrams/2007/Wood/1816369.pdf
jimh posted 02-19-2007 09:03 AM ET (US)
Aren't those 8 x 8 phenolic reinforcement pads the point of attachment for the center console?
Livingwater posted 02-19-2007 09:07 AM ET (US)
Hello Jack C:
I have great confidence in Skip Barbarie's recomendations based on personel experience. Skip should be able to answer most of your inquires including setting you up for a sea trial.
I cruise Long Island sound 80% of the time from Old Saybrook to Duck Island, Mystic river , Fishers Island, Plum Gut, etc. in my 190 Nantucket which gives me a dry ride. Like yourself I had a larger boat which was a 240CS Stingray which gave a smoother ride in the rough stuff only because of the 24 foot length and 102" beam.
However, while floating without power the Nantucket is solid in the waves where the larger Stingray practically rolls onto the gunnels.
I seen the 190 Montauk at three different boat shows and it looks like a great fishing boat.
The Montauk like my Nantucket (Outrage) has a "built in" 60 gallon fuel tank. With the 115 HP EFI Fourstroke on the Montauk you could probably fish all week.

mmakar posted 02-19-2007 12:04 PM ET (US)
I just got back from the Miami boat show and spoke with a factory guy that says the pads are there should someone want to mount a T-Top. Whaler specifically put them in. He says they get little demand for T-Tops on a Montauk but being able to have a T-Top might be enough for me to trade up my 17 Montauk to a 19.
Perry posted 02-19-2007 01:26 PM ET (US)
jimh, like the 190 Outrage, the 190 Montauk has those 8" X 8" phenolic pads are for attaching a T-TOP. The console is secured to the hull by a different means.
Jordi posted 02-19-2007 05:16 PM ET (US)
I saw a Montauk 190 at the dealer (Marine Max) and it was having a T- top installed. The re-enforcement is built into the boat for those interested in the T-top.
Jordi
Jack C posted 02-19-2007 07:30 PM ET (US)
Livingwater & Others - thanks for the nice reponses. Fast question - for those without a T-top: How dry is this boat or the 17. I find my home waters can be tough without a T-top - everyone can take a bath on a windy day with the right tide and wind. Basically on my current boat everyone hides behind the T-top when it is blowing and choppy (of course in CT we often fish up until Dec. 1) so things are a bit cold as well.
One more question - how seaworthy - Scenario - I like to fish the mid-sound rips, especially in the fall. Many days you get a good wind against the tide (West Wind against a strong incoming tide). The rips build up and the fish lay right on the rip line. The trick is to drift right up to the rip line (where the bass stack up with their nose in the current). Typical ride home is in 3-4 footers. (I assume no problem but thought I would ask - and a sea trial on a rough day will help.)
I've been pondering other small fuel efficent boats as well and have put Whaler on the radar screen. I have a buddy with a 28 Carolina and a 19 foot Outrage - he likes to fish in the Whaler more than the Carolina (the Carolina is a very nice boat but obviously more than you need for inshore fishing.)
I like simple "fish boats" that are easy to clean and will last a long time. I've been looking at Black Lab Skiffs (aluminum) as well but they are very pricey and don't look anywhere as nice as a whaler.
Thanks again - Jack
Jordi posted 02-20-2007 07:43 AM ET (US)
Jack,
Having owned the Montauk 170 and now the 190 Nantucket/Outrage below are some observations. I like to fish all year long (inshore/outshore) and with the cold fronts that winter brings to Florida I wanted to be dry under ALL conditions. If the forecast is choppy/heavy moderate and above the Montauk 170 can be a wet ride although very seaworthy. The 190 Outrage your buddy has is almost never a wet ride under all conditions except in really rough waters (small craft advisory/rough seas). If you can stomach fishing under the worst conditions the Montauk 170 is going to be a wet ride for you. The modified V, tall console, etc make the Outrage 190 an excellent choice for those seeking a boat you can take out almost every weekend under most conditions. My boat does not have a T-top and the dryness of the ride is more a reflection of the tall console shielding the wind/spray and hull characteristics. If you are used to fishing in the 190 Outrage with your friend you will most likely find the other boats inadequate when the seas get rough.
Jordi
Jack C posted 02-20-2007 07:50 AM ET (US)
Jordi - thanks for the response (exactly what I was looking for). I was not considering the 17, it just seemed that the universe of 19 owners on this site was small.
highanddry posted 02-20-2007 01:54 PM ET (US)
Maybe you should shop for a slightly used Outrage/Nantucket 190. Despite the many naysayers to the newer Vee hulled Whalers the Nantucket behaves in big water as if it were a much larger boat. It inspires confidence and it rides DRY--period. It can also be decently powered. Sure, it has some flaws such as I think the boat benifits from tabs, the standard trailer sits high etc but all in all it is a potent package for real world use, not to big, not to small.
H&D
Jack C posted 02-20-2007 05:55 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the advise on the Outrage/Nantucket 19 - since this is a bit of a change of gears for me, kindly fill me in. (I assume the Nantucket is a different model than the current 19 Outrage)? In reality the 21 Outrage is also on my list of potential boats. I'm looking for a seaworthy easy to maintain boat that will last a long time. Kept in a slip. My current slip is limited to a 22 foot boat - so my goal is to keep in the 22 foot range. What is also the reality for me is that I have fished for my entire life with my father - he is in his 70's now and still fishes strong but eventually he will cut back his trips and I will fish alone more than I do now. So the smaller boat makes sense.
Again - this is a very nice site (I must be a whaler guy at heart.) Jack
Jordi posted 02-20-2007 07:43 PM ET (US)
Jack,
The Nantucket 190 was introduced in 2003 and re-named Outrage 190 in 2006. The boat is identical to the current 190 Outrage except for the name change. All the performance specs you see in the current Boston Whaler site apply to the Nantucket 190. The performance specs are important to know for the different outboards offered through out the years. Do a search on Nantucket 190 and Outrage 190 on this site and you will find a good bit of information. I do 90% of my fishing solo and the boat is easy to dock, trailer, etc. Some have argued that the Mercury 115 was not sufficient for the boat when introduced in 2003. I have the Optimax 135 and I average 5 MPG while cruising 26 MPH, which is fantastic for a boat as solid and seaworthy as the Nantucket 190. Enjoy the years you have fishing left with your Dad they are irreplaceable.
Jordi
Jack C posted 02-20-2007 08:00 PM ET (US)
Jordi - thanks for the information. I will check the Outrage series out with more interest. (Fishing with Dad could be made into a nice book...) I just turned 50 and I have basically fished with him for 45 years straight... He is slowing down a bit but still a quite "into it"
Yiddil posted 02-20-2007 10:43 PM ET (US)
Just noticed this thread..I too have a Nantucket 2004 vintage "Das BOat and agree with others that it is a fantastic boat and think you would enjoy it very much..used ones command a price similar to what a base 19 montouk runs so its worth comparing for cost purposes...but the nantucket/Outrage (both the same in 19) is the far more sea worthy boat hands down....and you wont be sorry going to this whaler over the 19 montauk. That being said, its your money and you need to test drive both and see what your comfortable with...The Nantucket is heavier, has more options for powering, and just palin runs different.....Both are great boats, but there will be one you choose over the other....
my money would be on the Outrage/NAntucet:)
highanddry posted 02-21-2007 04:47 AM ET (US)
As has been stated and FYI. Boston Whaler had a line of boats that included the Montauk, Nantucke 190 and Eastport 21. They called it the Legend Series. After a bit they dumped the Legend series and integrated the Montack into it's current setting, put the nantucket into the outrage lineup with nothing more than a name change and different graphics and moved the Eastport (a 21 foot cuddy cabin) into the Conquest series again with nothing more than a name change and different graphics.
Yes, there have been minor changes such as the leaning post is different, different seating options as well, tabs were made optional, an optional heavy duty trailer is offered, the cosole door was made more narrow so it could open fully. Aside from essentially superficial changes and a healthy price increase the nantucket is the smae boat as the Outrage and simply by removing my Nantucket graphics and applying Outrage graphics nobody--nobody would ever know the difference in any way. They are the same boat---FACT.
The Nantucket originally set up with engines from 115 to 150 horses at the lower price/option end fell well into the price range now occupied by the Montauk 190 thus the upscaling and additional optioning of the current Outrage 190.
Nothing against the Montauk 190 at all but up againt Boston whalers other 19 footer, it's brother, the Outrage/Nantucket 190 it has it's work cut out--save for one thing--price.
H&D
Mudkap1 posted 02-21-2007 06:10 PM ET (US)
...and a $10,000 premium for the Outrage is certainly more money!
Livingwater posted 02-22-2007 12:38 PM ET (US)
The 190 Montauk at the boat shows had an excellent price.
The Montauk and Outrage are totally different boats however and can't really be compared.
The only reason I was able to purchase a brand new, never used 190 Nantucket was that it was a 2004 model year which I bought last April for a very, very good price.
If not for the sweet deal I'd be piloting a 170 Montauk which is an awesome boat...The 190 Montauk is longer and will definitely give you a smoother ride the the 170.
sheikofthesea posted 02-22-2007 08:29 PM ET (US)
I fish the Western Long Island Sound for bluefish and stripers.I used a 19 foot sundance skiff that was great for poling around the skinny water in the back bays but we always got wet if there was the slightest chop. I know there are a lot of outrage lovers on this site, and they come out in full force as soon as you start talking about the 190 Montauk, but I just fell in love with it. The great gas mileage and 60 gallon tank will take me anywhere. I can't wait to tool down the East River through Hell Gate out into the New York Bight and beyond. That is what I was really looking for that perfect bay sound boat that would take me out but also let me fish in all the back bays that I am used to. The two things I was a bit skeptical of were the small live well ( I am not going to be able to keep that many live bunker in there) and the dearth of rod holders. I solved that problem by getting a bunch of Taco adjustible clamp on rod holders. Yes the Montauk 190 is less expensive, but I also think that for a certain type of fisherman and boater it just fits the bill better than the Outrage.
Jack C posted 02-22-2007 09:28 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the additional comments. I will compare both boats. In reality I really want a larger hull (22-23 or even a 24) but from a practical standpoint the smaller hull fits the bill. I fish Central Long Island Sound and like to hang out on the deep water rips (not the skinny water). Seaworthy is important. Of course if I went the Montauk route I might take up fishing both the skinny and the deep water. Easy clean up is also important - my present boat is rolled edge skiff (Hydrasport 22 Ocean Skiff) very easy to clean. Good friend has a 23 Sea Hunt - he has basically "banned me" from catching bluefish from his boat. When we fish my rig he is amazed how easy it cleans up. He typically takes 3 hours to wash his boat (and I'm not joking). If I go the Montauk route I will definately add a T-top. One of my small issues is the desire for Radar. You really need the T-top for mounting it. I keep holding off putting the radar in my current boat because of the desire for another boat. My compliments to everyone on this site. Jack
Mudkap1 posted 02-23-2007 06:54 PM ET (US)
sheikofthesea,
What is the size of the 190 Livewell in gallons? I am interested in keeping herring alive (very difficult). They work well for Stiper fishing. Thanks.
sheikofthesea posted 02-27-2007 11:08 AM ET (US)
They don't give a gallon size. Looking at it looks like a 15-20 gallon tank. I am only going to be able to keep a couple live bunker in there but that will help.

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Author	Topic: 190 Montauk
Jack C	posted 02-18-2007 06:30 PM ET (US) Hello to all - new to this site. The short story is that I'm a tad bit interested in a new 190 Montauk. It would be used to fish Long Island Sound, mainly deep water rips drifting with diamond jigs, bucktails, and eels. Occassional trips across [unrecognized acronym] about 15 miles one way. Fast questions: 1. Ride quality? 2. Number of anglers that would be comfortable? 3. Is the package deal 115-HP four-stroke OK? 4. Has anyone installed a T-top and did you have [problems] doing it? I realize it changes the dynamics of the boat. My current boat has a T-top and I promised myself that I would never have an open boat without one. Plus I eventually would want a radar unit. 5. How dry is the boat? 6. Is fish storage a [problem]? Picture the need to ice down a pile of bluefish and a few bass. The blues go to the local convent--seriously. Pondering the 190 Montauk in CT. Thanks - Jack
jimh	posted 02-18-2007 09:05 PM ET (US) Jack--I got a good laugh about giving the Bluefish away. Many years ago I was out in Long Island Sound, caught a huge amount of Bluefish, and ended up giving them all away, too. According to the tests conducted by Boston Whaler, a 190 MONTAUK has an optimum range of 344 miles, so heading off for a destination that is 15 miles away will not be much of a problem for the boat. See: http://whaler.com/Rec/pdfs/190MontaukEng.pdf There are not too many first-hand reports about the 190 MONTAUK. I do not believe we have too many owners participating yet. The hull form of the 190 MONTAUK appears to be an extension of the 170 MONTAUK, and the 170 MONTAUK has received just about universally positive comments about its ride and handling. The boat is only offered with the 115-HP Mercury "FourStroke" or Veradito motor. There has been some mention that the reason only one motor is available at the moment has to do with certification of the hull for Coast Guard capacity. Some have speculated that there may be an optional motor coming to the 190 MONTAUK in the future. You have to keep in mind that all Boston Whaler boats are vessels (and that is an intentional pun) for Mercury outboard motors. Looking at the Mercury line, the next larger motor would be a 135-HP, either an OptiMax or a Verado. An OptiMax would only weight about 40-lbs more than the Veradito. A Verado would weigh 110-lbs more. My money is on the OptiMax 135 being the optional motor for the 190 MONTAUK. The extra 20-HP should bump the top speed above 40-MPH. As for installing a T-Top, I have my doubts. A T-Top creates a tremendous amount of stress on the hull. In a Boston Whaler boat there has to be embedded reinforcements in the hull to permit points of attachment to have proper strength. You cannot just retrofit some backing plates as can be done with other boats. If the reinforcements are not molded into the Unibond hull, it is very difficult to strengthen an attachment point for high-load fasteners. If Boston Whaler offers a T-Top as an option, you will be OK fitting one to the same attachment points. If they do not, you will have problems fitting a T-Top.
highanddry	posted 02-19-2007 12:31 AM ET (US) I don't know for sure [about the T-Top reinforcements in the 190 MONTAUK]. The 190 Outrage has pads for a T-Top, and I bet they are there for the Montauck 190 as well. Since so few of these boats are out there I would just call Boston Whaler. See if they will shoot you a copy of the "wood" locating diagram. This will show you al of the hard points for the Montuck 190. H&D
Perry	posted 02-19-2007 03:08 AM ET (US) Highanddry brings up a good point. Here is a link to the wood diagram for a 190 Montauk from whaler.com. There appear to be four 8" X 8" phenolic pads laminated into the hull for a T-TOP (item c). http://www.whalerparts.com/Diagrams/2007/Wood/1816369.pdf
jimh	posted 02-19-2007 09:03 AM ET (US) Aren't those 8 x 8 phenolic reinforcement pads the point of attachment for the center console?
Livingwater	posted 02-19-2007 09:07 AM ET (US) Hello Jack C: I have great confidence in Skip Barbarie's recomendations based on personel experience. Skip should be able to answer most of your inquires including setting you up for a sea trial. I cruise Long Island sound 80% of the time from Old Saybrook to Duck Island, Mystic river , Fishers Island, Plum Gut, etc. in my 190 Nantucket which gives me a dry ride. Like yourself I had a larger boat which was a 240CS Stingray which gave a smoother ride in the rough stuff only because of the 24 foot length and 102" beam. However, while floating without power the Nantucket is solid in the waves where the larger Stingray practically rolls onto the gunnels. I seen the 190 Montauk at three different boat shows and it looks like a great fishing boat. The Montauk like my Nantucket (Outrage) has a "built in" 60 gallon fuel tank. With the 115 HP EFI Fourstroke on the Montauk you could probably fish all week.
mmakar	posted 02-19-2007 12:04 PM ET (US) I just got back from the Miami boat show and spoke with a factory guy that says the pads are there should someone want to mount a T-Top. Whaler specifically put them in. He says they get little demand for T-Tops on a Montauk but being able to have a T-Top might be enough for me to trade up my 17 Montauk to a 19.
Perry	posted 02-19-2007 01:26 PM ET (US) jimh, like the 190 Outrage, the 190 Montauk has those 8" X 8" phenolic pads are for attaching a T-TOP. The console is secured to the hull by a different means.
Jordi	posted 02-19-2007 05:16 PM ET (US) I saw a Montauk 190 at the dealer (Marine Max) and it was having a T- top installed. The re-enforcement is built into the boat for those interested in the T-top. Jordi
Jack C	posted 02-19-2007 07:30 PM ET (US) Livingwater & Others - thanks for the nice reponses. Fast question - for those without a T-top: How dry is this boat or the 17. I find my home waters can be tough without a T-top - everyone can take a bath on a windy day with the right tide and wind. Basically on my current boat everyone hides behind the T-top when it is blowing and choppy (of course in CT we often fish up until Dec. 1) so things are a bit cold as well. One more question - how seaworthy - Scenario - I like to fish the mid-sound rips, especially in the fall. Many days you get a good wind against the tide (West Wind against a strong incoming tide). The rips build up and the fish lay right on the rip line. The trick is to drift right up to the rip line (where the bass stack up with their nose in the current). Typical ride home is in 3-4 footers. (I assume no problem but thought I would ask - and a sea trial on a rough day will help.) I've been pondering other small fuel efficent boats as well and have put Whaler on the radar screen. I have a buddy with a 28 Carolina and a 19 foot Outrage - he likes to fish in the Whaler more than the Carolina (the Carolina is a very nice boat but obviously more than you need for inshore fishing.) I like simple "fish boats" that are easy to clean and will last a long time. I've been looking at Black Lab Skiffs (aluminum) as well but they are very pricey and don't look anywhere as nice as a whaler. Thanks again - Jack
Jordi	posted 02-20-2007 07:43 AM ET (US) Jack, Having owned the Montauk 170 and now the 190 Nantucket/Outrage below are some observations. I like to fish all year long (inshore/outshore) and with the cold fronts that winter brings to Florida I wanted to be dry under ALL conditions. If the forecast is choppy/heavy moderate and above the Montauk 170 can be a wet ride although very seaworthy. The 190 Outrage your buddy has is almost never a wet ride under all conditions except in really rough waters (small craft advisory/rough seas). If you can stomach fishing under the worst conditions the Montauk 170 is going to be a wet ride for you. The modified V, tall console, etc make the Outrage 190 an excellent choice for those seeking a boat you can take out almost every weekend under most conditions. My boat does not have a T-top and the dryness of the ride is more a reflection of the tall console shielding the wind/spray and hull characteristics. If you are used to fishing in the 190 Outrage with your friend you will most likely find the other boats inadequate when the seas get rough. Jordi
Jack C	posted 02-20-2007 07:50 AM ET (US) Jordi - thanks for the response (exactly what I was looking for). I was not considering the 17, it just seemed that the universe of 19 owners on this site was small.
highanddry	posted 02-20-2007 01:54 PM ET (US) Maybe you should shop for a slightly used Outrage/Nantucket 190. Despite the many naysayers to the newer Vee hulled Whalers the Nantucket behaves in big water as if it were a much larger boat. It inspires confidence and it rides DRY--period. It can also be decently powered. Sure, it has some flaws such as I think the boat benifits from tabs, the standard trailer sits high etc but all in all it is a potent package for real world use, not to big, not to small. H&D
Jack C	posted 02-20-2007 05:55 PM ET (US) Thanks for the advise on the Outrage/Nantucket 19 - since this is a bit of a change of gears for me, kindly fill me in. (I assume the Nantucket is a different model than the current 19 Outrage)? In reality the 21 Outrage is also on my list of potential boats. I'm looking for a seaworthy easy to maintain boat that will last a long time. Kept in a slip. My current slip is limited to a 22 foot boat - so my goal is to keep in the 22 foot range. What is also the reality for me is that I have fished for my entire life with my father - he is in his 70's now and still fishes strong but eventually he will cut back his trips and I will fish alone more than I do now. So the smaller boat makes sense. Again - this is a very nice site (I must be a whaler guy at heart.) Jack
Jordi	posted 02-20-2007 07:43 PM ET (US) Jack, The Nantucket 190 was introduced in 2003 and re-named Outrage 190 in 2006. The boat is identical to the current 190 Outrage except for the name change. All the performance specs you see in the current Boston Whaler site apply to the Nantucket 190. The performance specs are important to know for the different outboards offered through out the years. Do a search on Nantucket 190 and Outrage 190 on this site and you will find a good bit of information. I do 90% of my fishing solo and the boat is easy to dock, trailer, etc. Some have argued that the Mercury 115 was not sufficient for the boat when introduced in 2003. I have the Optimax 135 and I average 5 MPG while cruising 26 MPH, which is fantastic for a boat as solid and seaworthy as the Nantucket 190. Enjoy the years you have fishing left with your Dad they are irreplaceable. Jordi
Jack C	posted 02-20-2007 08:00 PM ET (US) Jordi - thanks for the information. I will check the Outrage series out with more interest. (Fishing with Dad could be made into a nice book...) I just turned 50 and I have basically fished with him for 45 years straight... He is slowing down a bit but still a quite "into it"
Yiddil	posted 02-20-2007 10:43 PM ET (US) Just noticed this thread..I too have a Nantucket 2004 vintage "Das BOat and agree with others that it is a fantastic boat and think you would enjoy it very much..used ones command a price similar to what a base 19 montouk runs so its worth comparing for cost purposes...but the nantucket/Outrage (both the same in 19) is the far more sea worthy boat hands down....and you wont be sorry going to this whaler over the 19 montauk. That being said, its your money and you need to test drive both and see what your comfortable with...The Nantucket is heavier, has more options for powering, and just palin runs different.....Both are great boats, but there will be one you choose over the other.... my money would be on the Outrage/NAntucet:)
highanddry	posted 02-21-2007 04:47 AM ET (US) As has been stated and FYI. Boston Whaler had a line of boats that included the Montauk, Nantucke 190 and Eastport 21. They called it the Legend Series. After a bit they dumped the Legend series and integrated the Montack into it's current setting, put the nantucket into the outrage lineup with nothing more than a name change and different graphics and moved the Eastport (a 21 foot cuddy cabin) into the Conquest series again with nothing more than a name change and different graphics. Yes, there have been minor changes such as the leaning post is different, different seating options as well, tabs were made optional, an optional heavy duty trailer is offered, the cosole door was made more narrow so it could open fully. Aside from essentially superficial changes and a healthy price increase the nantucket is the smae boat as the Outrage and simply by removing my Nantucket graphics and applying Outrage graphics nobody--nobody would ever know the difference in any way. They are the same boat---FACT. The Nantucket originally set up with engines from 115 to 150 horses at the lower price/option end fell well into the price range now occupied by the Montauk 190 thus the upscaling and additional optioning of the current Outrage 190. Nothing against the Montauk 190 at all but up againt Boston whalers other 19 footer, it's brother, the Outrage/Nantucket 190 it has it's work cut out--save for one thing--price. H&D
Mudkap1	posted 02-21-2007 06:10 PM ET (US) ...and a $10,000 premium for the Outrage is certainly more money!
Livingwater	posted 02-22-2007 12:38 PM ET (US) The 190 Montauk at the boat shows had an excellent price. The Montauk and Outrage are totally different boats however and can't really be compared. The only reason I was able to purchase a brand new, never used 190 Nantucket was that it was a 2004 model year which I bought last April for a very, very good price. If not for the sweet deal I'd be piloting a 170 Montauk which is an awesome boat...The 190 Montauk is longer and will definitely give you a smoother ride the the 170.
sheikofthesea	posted 02-22-2007 08:29 PM ET (US) I fish the Western Long Island Sound for bluefish and stripers.I used a 19 foot sundance skiff that was great for poling around the skinny water in the back bays but we always got wet if there was the slightest chop. I know there are a lot of outrage lovers on this site, and they come out in full force as soon as you start talking about the 190 Montauk, but I just fell in love with it. The great gas mileage and 60 gallon tank will take me anywhere. I can't wait to tool down the East River through Hell Gate out into the New York Bight and beyond. That is what I was really looking for that perfect bay sound boat that would take me out but also let me fish in all the back bays that I am used to. The two things I was a bit skeptical of were the small live well ( I am not going to be able to keep that many live bunker in there) and the dearth of rod holders. I solved that problem by getting a bunch of Taco adjustible clamp on rod holders. Yes the Montauk 190 is less expensive, but I also think that for a certain type of fisherman and boater it just fits the bill better than the Outrage.
Jack C	posted 02-22-2007 09:28 PM ET (US) Thanks for the additional comments. I will compare both boats. In reality I really want a larger hull (22-23 or even a 24) but from a practical standpoint the smaller hull fits the bill. I fish Central Long Island Sound and like to hang out on the deep water rips (not the skinny water). Seaworthy is important. Of course if I went the Montauk route I might take up fishing both the skinny and the deep water. Easy clean up is also important - my present boat is rolled edge skiff (Hydrasport 22 Ocean Skiff) very easy to clean. Good friend has a 23 Sea Hunt - he has basically "banned me" from catching bluefish from his boat. When we fish my rig he is amazed how easy it cleans up. He typically takes 3 hours to wash his boat (and I'm not joking). If I go the Montauk route I will definately add a T-top. One of my small issues is the desire for Radar. You really need the T-top for mounting it. I keep holding off putting the radar in my current boat because of the desire for another boat. My compliments to everyone on this site. Jack
Mudkap1	posted 02-23-2007 06:54 PM ET (US) sheikofthesea, What is the size of the 190 Livewell in gallons? I am interested in keeping herring alive (very difficult). They work well for Stiper fishing. Thanks.
sheikofthesea	posted 02-27-2007 11:08 AM ET (US) They don't give a gallon size. Looking at it looks like a 15-20 gallon tank. I am only going to be able to keep a couple live bunker in there but that will help.