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fisherman posted 02-23-2007 07:47 PM ET (US)
I am relatively new to this great web site and have looked high and low for some intelligent individual with expertise who may have taken the time to install a small 6-HP long shaft four-stroke directly onto the starboard transom of a 2006 170 Montauk. I am given to understand someone, somewhere, has taken this task on and has reported so on this site. Unfortunately, I cannot locate that gentleman. Can anyone assist? I refuse to install one of those many ugly, fingerbusting, back-breaking brackets.
Ray from the frozen north--but summer is coming.
SaintBama posted 02-23-2007 08:02 PM ET (US)
Use the site search funtion and you'll find just about everything done to Whalers and then some.Welcome,but beware,This site is like crack, if you own a Whaler.
fishinchips posted 02-23-2007 09:41 PM ET (US)
"I refuse to install one of those many ugly, fingerbusting, back-breaking brackets."
Ugly, figerbusting back-breaking brackets ?
Mine is pretty easy to put down in place.
I run a 2003 - 170 montauk with a kicker bracket. I have no problems putting the bracket down.
Ken
WT posted 02-23-2007 09:52 PM ET (US)
Mine is pretty easy to deploy too.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Montauk%20Kicker/
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001820.html
Good luck,
Warren
Sal DiMercurio posted 02-23-2007 10:17 PM ET (US)
I run my two-stroke 15-HP kicker right on the transom, port side, on my OUTRAGE V-20. I've broken three brackets. It works better right on the transom. Steer with the big engine in the not-running mode. Works absolutly great. Keep in mind you can't make a sharp turn, but if you really have to, just fire up the main engine. I troll for Salmon out of Half Moon Bay and San Francisco. Making long slow turns is no problem.
Sal
wywhaler posted 02-24-2007 03:20 AM ET (US)
Fisherman:
Take a look in the Post-Classic Whalers section under 170 Montauk Auxiliary Engine Bracket. Lots of info on kicker mounting.
Ron
fisherman posted 02-25-2007 01:15 PM ET (US)
Many thanks for all the replies.
WT.. you must be a young fellow with a good back and wear gloves??? I note on the second site you provided that Aquanut back in 11/09/2004 mtd.directly with slight modification and was going to post some phot's, but never got around to it. Is he around smoewhere??????
Sal Dimercurio.. your 15hp directly on portside.Is it as thick as the transom on a 2006 170? If so, does the 15hp have a wider clamp opening than a Merc 6..4str.? Or did you have to modify??
WyWhaler.. Thanks, but nothing there relative to non-brkt mounting except...Aquanut reference provided by WT. Hopefully, he can be found.
Thank you
fisherman posted 02-25-2007 01:24 PM ET (US)
SaintBama:
This site is worse than crack. In fact my wife thinks I have a mental problem since I've been on it steady. Oh well, being a Whaler owner like everyone else on this site explains it. Sure is great and many super ideas posted by other.
Chuck at BW advises the 2006 170 transom is too thick. Something like my head I guess because I'm determined NO BRACKET!!!
Ray.. from Manitoulin Island on the North Channel of Lake Huron ( Georgian Bay.
PS.. Lot of Rainbow up here.
WT posted 02-25-2007 01:52 PM ET (US)
fisherman:
I'm not young (51) and I don't wear gloves. The bracket is spring loaded. :-)
I would rather have an electric tilt and trim for the kicker but the weight of the bracket would be too much.
Here's Aquanut's profile:
http://continuouswave.com/cgi-bin/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getbio& UserName=AQUANUT
Good luck,
Warren
fisherman posted 02-25-2007 03:16 PM ET (US)
Hi Warren (WT)
Thanks again. clicked on Aquanut's homepage and found it is no longer available. Thusly; sent him an e-mail. Hopefully, he is still around??
You may not wear gloves Warren, but your still a very young fellow with a good back. I'm just rurned 70 and my neck and back is not that good anymore so I'm looking for an easy method. Trust you understand.
Many thanks for your help.
Ray
wywhaler posted 02-25-2007 08:02 PM ET (US)
fisherman:
I contacted BW customer service about installing a kicker on my 170 Montauk and whether or not it would have any affect on the hull warranty. They sent me a link to MANTY MONTY's pictures. They said that there would be no warranty issues if the kicker (bracket?) was properly thru-bolted and the holes were properly sealed.
I believe Manty Monty is real happy with the CMC PT-35 and it would make it easy on your back. Take a look at the pictures and see what a excellent job he did with it. I looked at other fixed brackets but most everything I looked at was heavier than the PT-35. Seems like if you try to bolt the kicker directly you might not be able to rotate the kicker to the up position because the wide rubrail might get in the way.
Also don't forget to keep the HIN visable. Good luck with your project.
Ron
fisherman posted 02-26-2007 01:29 PM ET (US)
Hi Ron @ WyWhaler:
Thanks.
Looked at Manty Monty's setup and it looks pretty neat.
While at the OB dealers to-day i measured my new merc 6 4str it has a bracket gap of approx 2 1/2 inches. Also, looked at and measured a Merc 15 4str.and it has a gap of approx 3 1/2 inches. This may ??? do the trick. They are going to let me know if they can be interchanged. If they can this may solve my problem whereby I can mount directly to the transom. Will measure my transom to-morrow as in boathouse at cottage a 2hr drive from home. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to go this route before or if it's possible????
Ray
mikeyairtime posted 02-26-2007 06:12 PM ET (US)
There was one guy who used a Panther plate and offset it with wood blocks to get the stoutest install I've seen. He had a 9.9 Yamaha 4 stroke mounted on it and at one time had pictures on this board. No monkey motion, just a stout lip to mount the kicker.
thekidd posted 02-27-2007 02:26 PM ET (US)
While my boat is an older model built in 92', it does have the single notched transom as well. This bracket is custom made and sits far back enough to allow for proper tilt/trim. The T8 has power trim/ tilt. Installed with dual binnacles, dual key switches and remote steering w/ enough cable to steer from anywhere on the boat.
Good luck.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/thenorskgod/album/576460762337329013
fisherman posted 02-27-2007 07:11 PM ET (US)
Mikeyairtime, thanks. I found that one nice clean setup and not too far back from the transom.
thekidd, your setup looks great and all handled from the helm. Very impressive.
I have been attempting to make contact with aquanut.Sent him an e-mail couple days ago. No reply yet. I noticed the last time he was on this site was back in 04/05.Apparently, he knotched into the transom a bit and cutout a small portion of the black rubrail. I think??? this is the way I may go and, if I do it will be well documented for this forum. Many thanks.
MantyMonty posted 03-01-2007 05:45 PM ET (US)
You may not want to cut the rubrail. If you are willing to drill holes like I did, the CMC is a very solid and easy way to tilt the kicker, without disturbing the rubrail. The further away from leaning over the transom in uneasy seas the better in my mind. Good luck in what ever bracket you chose and make sure you (taper)the holes you drill in the gel coat no matter what route you choose to prevent any spidering.

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Author	Topic: 170 MONTUAK: Auxiliary Motor Mount
fisherman	posted 02-23-2007 07:47 PM ET (US) I am relatively new to this great web site and have looked high and low for some intelligent individual with expertise who may have taken the time to install a small 6-HP long shaft four-stroke directly onto the starboard transom of a 2006 170 Montauk. I am given to understand someone, somewhere, has taken this task on and has reported so on this site. Unfortunately, I cannot locate that gentleman. Can anyone assist? I refuse to install one of those many ugly, fingerbusting, back-breaking brackets. Ray from the frozen north--but summer is coming.
SaintBama	posted 02-23-2007 08:02 PM ET (US) Use the site search funtion and you'll find just about everything done to Whalers and then some.Welcome,but beware,This site is like crack, if you own a Whaler.
fishinchips	posted 02-23-2007 09:41 PM ET (US) "I refuse to install one of those many ugly, fingerbusting, back-breaking brackets." Ugly, figerbusting back-breaking brackets ? Mine is pretty easy to put down in place. I run a 2003 - 170 montauk with a kicker bracket. I have no problems putting the bracket down. Ken
WT	posted 02-23-2007 09:52 PM ET (US) Mine is pretty easy to deploy too. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Montauk%20Kicker/ http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001820.html Good luck, Warren
Sal DiMercurio	posted 02-23-2007 10:17 PM ET (US) I run my two-stroke 15-HP kicker right on the transom, port side, on my OUTRAGE V-20. I've broken three brackets. It works better right on the transom. Steer with the big engine in the not-running mode. Works absolutly great. Keep in mind you can't make a sharp turn, but if you really have to, just fire up the main engine. I troll for Salmon out of Half Moon Bay and San Francisco. Making long slow turns is no problem. Sal
wywhaler	posted 02-24-2007 03:20 AM ET (US) Fisherman: Take a look in the Post-Classic Whalers section under 170 Montauk Auxiliary Engine Bracket. Lots of info on kicker mounting. Ron
fisherman	posted 02-25-2007 01:15 PM ET (US) Many thanks for all the replies. WT.. you must be a young fellow with a good back and wear gloves??? I note on the second site you provided that Aquanut back in 11/09/2004 mtd.directly with slight modification and was going to post some phot's, but never got around to it. Is he around smoewhere?????? Sal Dimercurio.. your 15hp directly on portside.Is it as thick as the transom on a 2006 170? If so, does the 15hp have a wider clamp opening than a Merc 6..4str.? Or did you have to modify?? WyWhaler.. Thanks, but nothing there relative to non-brkt mounting except...Aquanut reference provided by WT. Hopefully, he can be found. Thank you
fisherman	posted 02-25-2007 01:24 PM ET (US) SaintBama: This site is worse than crack. In fact my wife thinks I have a mental problem since I've been on it steady. Oh well, being a Whaler owner like everyone else on this site explains it. Sure is great and many super ideas posted by other. Chuck at BW advises the 2006 170 transom is too thick. Something like my head I guess because I'm determined NO BRACKET!!! Ray.. from Manitoulin Island on the North Channel of Lake Huron ( Georgian Bay. PS.. Lot of Rainbow up here.
WT	posted 02-25-2007 01:52 PM ET (US) fisherman: I'm not young (51) and I don't wear gloves. The bracket is spring loaded. :-) I would rather have an electric tilt and trim for the kicker but the weight of the bracket would be too much. Here's Aquanut's profile: http://continuouswave.com/cgi-bin/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getbio& UserName=AQUANUT Good luck, Warren
fisherman	posted 02-25-2007 03:16 PM ET (US) Hi Warren (WT) Thanks again. clicked on Aquanut's homepage and found it is no longer available. Thusly; sent him an e-mail. Hopefully, he is still around?? You may not wear gloves Warren, but your still a very young fellow with a good back. I'm just rurned 70 and my neck and back is not that good anymore so I'm looking for an easy method. Trust you understand. Many thanks for your help. Ray
wywhaler	posted 02-25-2007 08:02 PM ET (US) fisherman: I contacted BW customer service about installing a kicker on my 170 Montauk and whether or not it would have any affect on the hull warranty. They sent me a link to MANTY MONTY's pictures. They said that there would be no warranty issues if the kicker (bracket?) was properly thru-bolted and the holes were properly sealed. I believe Manty Monty is real happy with the CMC PT-35 and it would make it easy on your back. Take a look at the pictures and see what a excellent job he did with it. I looked at other fixed brackets but most everything I looked at was heavier than the PT-35. Seems like if you try to bolt the kicker directly you might not be able to rotate the kicker to the up position because the wide rubrail might get in the way. Also don't forget to keep the HIN visable. Good luck with your project. Ron
fisherman	posted 02-26-2007 01:29 PM ET (US) Hi Ron @ WyWhaler: Thanks. Looked at Manty Monty's setup and it looks pretty neat. While at the OB dealers to-day i measured my new merc 6 4str it has a bracket gap of approx 2 1/2 inches. Also, looked at and measured a Merc 15 4str.and it has a gap of approx 3 1/2 inches. This may ??? do the trick. They are going to let me know if they can be interchanged. If they can this may solve my problem whereby I can mount directly to the transom. Will measure my transom to-morrow as in boathouse at cottage a 2hr drive from home. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to go this route before or if it's possible???? Ray
mikeyairtime	posted 02-26-2007 06:12 PM ET (US) There was one guy who used a Panther plate and offset it with wood blocks to get the stoutest install I've seen. He had a 9.9 Yamaha 4 stroke mounted on it and at one time had pictures on this board. No monkey motion, just a stout lip to mount the kicker.
thekidd	posted 02-27-2007 02:26 PM ET (US) While my boat is an older model built in 92', it does have the single notched transom as well. This bracket is custom made and sits far back enough to allow for proper tilt/trim. The T8 has power trim/ tilt. Installed with dual binnacles, dual key switches and remote steering w/ enough cable to steer from anywhere on the boat. Good luck. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/thenorskgod/album/576460762337329013
fisherman	posted 02-27-2007 07:11 PM ET (US) Mikeyairtime, thanks. I found that one nice clean setup and not too far back from the transom. thekidd, your setup looks great and all handled from the helm. Very impressive. I have been attempting to make contact with aquanut.Sent him an e-mail couple days ago. No reply yet. I noticed the last time he was on this site was back in 04/05.Apparently, he knotched into the transom a bit and cutout a small portion of the black rubrail. I think??? this is the way I may go and, if I do it will be well documented for this forum. Many thanks.
MantyMonty	posted 03-01-2007 05:45 PM ET (US) You may not want to cut the rubrail. If you are willing to drill holes like I did, the CMC is a very solid and easy way to tilt the kicker, without disturbing the rubrail. The further away from leaning over the transom in uneasy seas the better in my mind. Good luck in what ever bracket you chose and make sure you (taper)the holes you drill in the gel coat no matter what route you choose to prevent any spidering.