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Boilerman posted 02-24-2007 06:47 PM ET (US)   Profile for Boilerman   Send Email to Boilerman  
Any input [on the performance of a 1992 Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround] would be greatly appreciated, particularly two-stroke motors versus four-stroke motors, single motors versus twin motors, Whaler Drive versus standard transom. I am considering moving up from a 1986 Outrage 18. Thanks.
Jack C posted 02-24-2007 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jack C  Send Email to Jack C     
Boilerman - more details please. Or is it just a general question related to an 18 footer versus a 23? I will give my 2 cents on that. (I spend lot's of time on "other people's boats). In general I would avoid twin engines on [a 1992 Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround] unless you plan on running far offshore (up in NE that means 100 plus miles).. which I would NOT want to do in a [a 1992 Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround]. So go for a single engine. While I grew up with 2 strokes and still have one the wave of the future is 4 stroke except for the Etec (which will be a test of time - but they appear to be great engines). Bottom line is that the general public really seems to favor the 4 stroke over the old 2 stroke. The point being resale value favors the 4 stroke. I spent a great deal of time on a 23 seahunt with a 225 Honda- the Honda has been amazing. (nice engine, no issues at all). Boat models (well your on a whaler website!).... Kind of a pick your poison thing. Their are some brands to avoid but I'm not going down that road. Wander over to "The Hull Truth website" for specific comments on boats other than Boston Whaler boats. I don't yet own a Boston Whaler boat but I'm going down that path and I'm considering slightly down sizing for the following reason: The big thing for me is "cost of ownership" - costs assocaited with running a 23 are going to be much higher than your current boat. Gas costs will really jump. For me it is not a huge issue but I don't like spending a 400-500 per month in the summer on fuel. (Which I currently do). Twin engines get very expensive to feed and maintain. For my home waters (Long Island Sound) a 23 appears to be the perfect size boat for "most" sea conditions.
Riptide23WA posted 02-25-2007 11:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Riptide23WA  Send Email to Riptide23WA     
Boilerman, do a search first on all the info posted about the 23 Walkaround. There's lots of good info. Aftter that, if you have any specific questions, I'd be more than happy to help with my limited experience...

Pat

ROI posted 02-26-2007 05:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for ROI  Send Email to ROI     
Boilerman,

Here are some performance figures on my Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround which I have been running for nine years. My particular configuration includes the whale drive; hardtop, 180 gallon gas tank, and optional head -- (note, weight matters) running twin 150 yamaha four strokes with the original 14 1/2 x 17-M steel props that came with the boat.

I usually run with 2-3 people / full fishing gear with
150-180 gallons of gas and 12 gallon fresh water water tank.

Glass flat: 3000 - 3200 rpm (get up and keep on plane)
3400 - 3600 rpm 23-25 mph
3800 rpm 26-28 mph
4000 rpm 28-30 mph
4200 rpm 31-32 mph

6000 rpm 42-43 mph (by gps)

I get around 2 miles/gallon while running over the course of various trips and speeds. General ball park is burning 14 gph via flowscan running around 3800 rpm. (I say this because I run out of SF Bay where there is usally 2-3' chop and various currents to content with.)

I replaced my 150 two strokes four years ago (this will be the 4th fishing season) and get approximately double the gas mileage with the four strokes -- (no problems to date after 530 hrs on the engines). I figure my payback is $7815 based on gallons fueled to date -- at double the mileage.

Per single or twin engines -- I love my configuration.
Note: I cannot plane on one engine coming home if needed and would be overloaded if run at full throttle (can run about 7-8 mph on one engine).

If you have any questions I will try to anwser them. Hope this helps.

Note:
I don't have any figures for 4200+ rpm. I very seldom run above 4200. Also my props appear to be right on for the hull as they just turn 6000 rpm when everything is trimed out right.

Boilerman posted 02-26-2007 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Boilerman  Send Email to Boilerman     
Thanks for all the input. I think what I've developed is a mild case of five-foot-itis. I love my [unrecognized acronym, probably meant Boston Whaler Outrage] performance and seakeeping ability. However, there are days when the family can use a little shelter. Then sometimes I consider how easy it is to handle compared to anything larger, I guess it's a matter preferance. Always admired the [unrecognized acronyom, probably meant Boston Whaler Ourage 22] cuddy, however quick bow access would be greatly missed.

ROI, I'm guessing after nine years your satisfied with hull performance. Any drawbacks?

ROI posted 02-26-2007 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for ROI  Send Email to ROI     
Boilerman,

As far as hull performance, the actual way that the boat performs on and through the water, it is excellent especially through constant a constant 2-3'chop.

Yes, there are some drawbacks to this configuration:

1. Some fish will be lost to "novice" fisherman who get their lines caught in the props. The engines sit back there quite a ways with the [Whaler Drive]. Also one has to be careful when trolling fishing lines off the side(s) as to not turn too sharply otherwise one will get the fishing line(s) wrapped in the prop. A counterbalancing advantage of the [Whaler Drive] is the ability to drag large fish into the boat through the stern access door, ie sturgeon and sharks.

2. It can be difficult to get the boat properly onto the trailer, given the length of the boat with the flare of the hull -- the bow wants to rise anywhere from 6-12" off the tounge of the bow stop depending on the rise of the launch. I made my bow stop vetically adjustable to accomodate the problem that I had -- (I took it to a trailer place and they suggested the modification.)

3. I wish the hardtop was a completely enclosed cabin ie similiar to a Parker. I have enclosed canvas all around which is fine 90-95% of the time. It is those times when it's raining and cold (like now) when chasing some sturgeon that and enclosed cabin with heater would be nice.

4. As far as bow access, it is very easy to get to this bow and actually fish given good wether conditions. We fish one or two rountinely on the bow mooching when the weather gets real nice - (Aug, Sept)

5. As far as ride, I have taken friends fishing that own Farallons and Davis Boats and they comment on the comfortable, dry ride that the hull delivers given our conditions.

JG -- ROI

Boilerman posted 02-27-2007 07:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Boilerman  Send Email to Boilerman     
ROI,
thanks for the facts. How is dockside manuevering? Does the whaler drive have any negative qualities vs. transom mount? Can you twist this boat or is the outboard motor spacing the same as transom mounted (closely spaced).

thanks, JA
jimh posted 02-27-2007 09:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
On the question of a single motor versus twin motors, there is not too much specific to the Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround about this decision.

When you get to a boat length of about 22 to 24 feet, you are in a range where twin engines become an option because:

--a boat of this size may be used offshore, where twin engines are perceived to be desirable due to the redundancy they offer;

--a boat of this size is capable of handling twin engines on its transom.

There are many prior discussions about twin engines and their benefits compared to single engines. In particular, in this class of boat where the twin engine is likely to be a pair of 150-HP engines, the existence of single engines in the 250 to 300-HP range has made this decision even more debatable. You might find reading this discussion has some interest:

Twin 150-HP: A Thing of the Past
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/004301.html

On the question of a four-stroke motor versus two-stroke motors, there is not too much specific to the Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround about this decision. The main distinction between these different types of motors is their weight. There are literally thousands of previous articles on this general topic.

On both of the above questions, since you are looking at buying a used boat, I am afraid the previous owner will have already made these decisions for you.

Moving to a 23 Walkaround from an Outrage 18 will be a very significant jump up in boat size. I am certain you will find the two boats are very different.

ROI: Thanks very much for the detailed information on the performance of a Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround. That sort of data is very much appreciated. I am sure others seeking information on the performance of a Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround will find your information very useful.

msc posted 02-27-2007 10:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for msc  Send Email to msc     
I had twin 175 two strokes on my 23WA and it would fly with 19" props. If you buy this boat be aware that you will have a significant "sail" area and docking in wind and current will be an intersting experience at first. All in all, however, I think they are great boats.
ROI posted 02-27-2007 05:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for ROI  Send Email to ROI     
Boilerman,

I think that "my" boat handles very well for its size and weight given that it has twin engines. Once the boat is stopped, no way on it, I can pretty much turn it around on a dime (I am an OK boat handler - not a great boat handler). Implicit in this answer is yes, I can "twist" this boat around.

As far as outboard motor spacing, the boat was configured and delivered by Boston Whaler (as far as I know). I assume they knew what they were doing. I would think that transom mount locations would be similar. One of my deciding factors in selecting Yamaha for repower was the ease of installation -- the motors, controls, tachs, etc.. bolted right up with no modifications. (I was replacing existing Yamahas)

I cannot think of any negative qualities of the whale drive except that water might leak into this space over time and cause damage. There was no water intrusion the last time that it was checked -- 3 yrs ago. I can tell you this, however, the extra 2 1/2 to 3 feet of bouyancy that the drive adds makes the this 23 hull ride like a much larger boat.

Lastly, these are heavy hulls. Wind and currents will cause "inertial movement" and it is an "experience" at first. The handling characteristics will be much different than your outrage. Having said this the 23' walkaround has less sail effect (IMO) than other 23-26' pilot house boats that I have experience on.

JG -- ROI

Boilerman posted 02-27-2007 07:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Boilerman  Send Email to Boilerman     
jimh & ROI,

Thanks for all this wonderful input. I've searched this site for hours and compiled a wealth of information!


JA

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