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deletedUser posted 03-03-2007 09:08 PM ET (US)   Profile for deletedUser   Send Email to deletedUser  
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nydealer posted 03-03-2007 09:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
You will not see this hapen on the 190 outrage. They could have already raised it to 175 if weight was the only factor. Don't expect the 180 Dauntless to be raised either.
highanddry posted 03-03-2007 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
In my opinion I think it would make a great combo. It is a free country, buy a used boat, buy the Verado 200 and put it on there and go FAST. It should break 50 since the Opti 150 will push about 46--mine does.

I believe weight is the more critical issue on this hull, it is plenty strong and plenty heavy and plenty stable and plenty suitable for 200. BW is a sissy company for not offering it. They like to push safety and they need to push performance. The 200 would give performance to spare.

deletedUser posted 03-04-2007 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for deletedUser  Send Email to deletedUser     
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Kencvit posted 03-07-2007 11:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kencvit  Send Email to Kencvit     
I`m not an expert but I`ve got to say the a 150 is plenty for the 190 Nantucket/Outrage whether its the Optimax , Verado, Yamaha or Honda. I`ve yet to hear of an E-tec rigged yet [insert Henry the yiddel here ;-)]. I first had the 135 Opti and that motor could pop the boat up on plane in seconds and fly.
I doubt that most owners of this boat want or need to run at 50mph. A 200 will just add extra cost. There`s a point where bigger is better becomes overkill for the average guy.
I suppose Whaler could offer it as a option but at the added cost there are plenty of other options that would better serve the 190 Outrage and its crew.
highanddry posted 03-08-2007 04:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
I never said I was unhappy with my boat or engine. What I am saying is this hull could handle this new 200 Verado with no problems.

Boston Whaler has about run the Unsinkable and cut in half and still floats mantra into the ground. The av copy with the kids asleep in the soft focus adds does not make me want to get a Whaler. It is as if they, Whaler, have to keep trying to convince us they are safe boats--OK--I got it, they build safe boats but now my next question is do they perform, do they handle, do they behave at sea like the high priced item they are? All I see is proof they can handle tied up to a dock with kids asleep on the bow cushion--ho hum--yawn.

H&D

Sal A posted 03-08-2007 05:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
My boat with the Yamaha F150 kissed 50mph.
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Kencvit posted 03-09-2007 01:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kencvit  Send Email to Kencvit     
Gunwale (but pronounced gunnel)
Jordi posted 03-09-2007 08:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jordi    
Kencvit,
At what trim level do you find it optimal for idle and slow speed (1500 RPM)? Lately I have been experimenting with trim levels and fuel efficiency and have observed some interesting MPG phenomenon. For safety and fuel efficiency I try to maintain a cruising speed that will allow me to average 5 MPG during my outings. I have an Optimax 135 and have observed different MPG and MPH than the reported data in the Boston Whaler performance section. With a full tank of gas and 300 pounds of equipment, etc I get the following MPG. At slow cruising speed of 3000 RPM, 20 MPH & trim at zero the MPG are 5.5. At moderate cruising speed of 3600 RPM, 26 MPH & trim at .5 the MPG are 5.2. At cruising speed of 4000 RPM, 30 MPH & trim at 1 the MPG are 5.0. I avoid the 2000-2900 RPM when possible for the lack of fuel efficiency. For consumers looking for a sound all-around boat for fishing, cruising and beaching the Nantucket/Outrage 190 is a good choice.
Jordi
highanddry posted 03-09-2007 02:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
I am getting my best economy around 24-26 MPH which is about 5 to 5.5 MPG. I have noticed trimming out improves economy but the nantucket without tabs does not like much trim unless loaded well forward and bimini stowed.

This boat is rock solid at 46 MPH and would be just as rock solid at 54 MPH. It is not scary what ever is meant by that. Obviously running thta fast you have to pick the place but the biggest advantage to the new 200 is more power in less weight means more load planning ability, aster acceleration, longer life, better economy.

if I could justify and afford one I would get it NOW. But, alas, my Opti 150 is just to good and does everythng so well with a nice throaty growl.

H&D

Kencvit posted 03-09-2007 03:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kencvit  Send Email to Kencvit     
jordi, I`m not as diligent with recording numbers as you are.I don`t really watch the trim guage, I just go by feel from the boats handling. Trim at idle/slow speed also depends on how much weight I`ve got in the bow.
For example,last summer we went down the lake 50 miles with three other boats. on the way back , I ended up with another boats passengers due in part to the Mills forward shelter I have. With a half tank of fuel , 3 adults at the helm(520lbs), one on the cooler seat(130lbs) and 5 small kids under the dodger(350lbs). Running at night in mostly calm water with some chop and wake from other boats we were cruising between 25 and 30 mph. The boat ran extremely well with the weight.Trimmed in to start and was quick to plane , I have the F150 now , but had your 135 for 1 season and know it will do the same. At cruise I trimmed out a little. I was very happy with the smooth secure ride that night, the weight improved the ride ( I hope that by adding the lenco trim tabs I will be able to duplicate this when running lighter by being able to keep the bow down.)
Arriving home that night I had idle around to drop different people at different docks. with all the bow weight I had to trim up a lot to control the steering.
With added bow weight the steering seems slower to react so there is a tendency to oversteer. Then when the boat does react you find your steering back the other way. I`m used to this now but I see it when I let someone at the helm and they`re all over the place. I think the classic outrages and larger models with the full deepV hull(as opposed to the modified V we have) will track better at slow speed.
The 135 does get great mileage and the oil consumption was alot lower than I expected. I recall that we were usually cruising at around the 3200-3500 rpm range and was real happy with the fuel mileage. We went on a couple of trips with two thirsty Merc cruisers , searay and bayliner , and they were always looking to fill up whenever we stopped. Granted the 190 has a 60 gallon tank, but taking that into consideration , I was getting way better mileage than they were.
This summer I will pay closer attention to my gauges, I also plan to add a garmin 4000 series 8.4 screen gps. The boat came with a navman 4380 sounder,fishfinder flushmounted in the centre of the console. I will move it to the left and make a bigger hole for the GPS which measures about 11W x 7H.
Jordi posted 03-09-2007 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jordi    
Kencvit/Highanddry,
Thank you for your insight and observations. Although I rarely travel with that much weight I will continue to experiment with the trim to improve my docking under severe windy conditions.
Tight lines,
Jordi
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Perry posted 07-06-2007 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
the 2008 models should be out soon.i talked to my dealer about the 190 outrage and he said he knows of no significant changes for model year 2008.are you planning on buying a 190 outrage?do you think that 150 hp is not enough power on this hull?have you piloted one with a 150 hp motor?my 190 outrage came with a mercury and i had the motor of my choice put on.what is stopping you from doing the same?if you want to put on a 250 e-tec and go 60 mph on a 190 outrage go ahead.
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highanddry posted 07-08-2007 01:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
While I do think 150 horses is enough why would I tirn down 50 more if I could have it at the same weight? Answer, I would not.
hilob posted 07-08-2007 06:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for hilob  Send Email to hilob     
Hello,

I purchased a 2007 190 Outrage w/ the 150 Verado in late February. So far I have 195 hours on it, and "knock on wood" it's performed flawlessly.

In pass trips I've taken out a couple experienced commercial fishermen, and it's funny to watch their eyes open wide as I open her up for a few seconds. The waters (Kona, Hawaii)that I fish on is relatively flat, biggest swells maybe 4 to 6 feet if lucky. Typically flat to a foot, with 10 pmh sea breezes. The winds are what makes everything messy, the trades wind can sometimes crank up to 30 mph. Last weekend I fished in Hilo. The complete opposite, it was normal Hilo waters trades blowing 10 to 20 mph, with 8 to 10 foot seas. We were only able to maintain 18 knts on the way out, exceeding that speed sent the boat air born. In my humble opinion, unless you fish tournaments, I wouldn't see the practical use of installing a larger Verado. We entered a tournament the other weekend in Kona, ran for 1 hour at about 5000 RPM, scary fast, even under calm conditions. Went air born several times, not good for motor...

I think widening the transom to enable an owner to install twin 70's or twin 90's, would be a modification to the 190 Outrage. The thought of limping 50 miles back to the harbor is rough seas with a kicker motor is scary.

I typical travel (cruise) at 4000 RPM or approx. 24 knts. At the speed the motor burns about 6.6 GPH. At trolling speed (8.5 knts) I'm buring 3.2 GPH.

As for power, loaded boat with 3 (150# ahis), 10 (25-35# onos), some aku (40#), tank gas, and 3 adults, plus all the ice & brine waterhalf . Still ran home at 24 knts.

The flip side, I wouldn't mind watching a video of a 190 Outrage w/ a 200 Verado going WOT in Hawaii waters. A person piloting that boat would have "2 big b_ _ _ s" between his legs...

hilob

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hilob posted 07-09-2007 12:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for hilob  Send Email to hilob     
Hello deletedUser,

Currently I'm using two 6' Da Kine (pleated) fish bags. I place one right infront of the console, and the other along the rightside of the console. For average size onos (30 lbs) 9-10 will fit in one bag. As for the tunas, I carry a 25" stainless steel meat saw, and cut the head and tail off every big tuna. This way 2 ahis can fit in each bag. I also take two 150 qt coolers full of ice. I tie them down on the anchor storage platform, orientation (front to aft).

In the near future, I plan to have someone fiberglass a built-in fish box infront of the console, accross ways. Once I figure out how to post pictures, I'll post some the next time we go out fishing...

If you're talking about flat lake conditions, I think a 200 Verado on the 190 Outrage would be a hit...I'm sure you'd turn some heads. Note to skier, I would wear some head gear (smile)...

Aloha

highanddry posted 07-09-2007 03:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
People tend to reply from their own perspective and experience. I use our 190 for diving, skiing, fishing and cruising both in saltwater and lakes. We have been offshore and a few times in less than desireable conditions. The 190 is a very capable boat, still, only 19 feet but nonetheless a very seaworthy and capable machine.

I like the idea of more power if no weight penalty to get skiers up and also to get the boat up when loaded with dive and fishing gear and four adults. It is a load and it sucks up the power to get it moving especially when your trying to plant yourself on the back of a wave for a ride through the inlet.

The 190 is a capable small offshore boat as long as you don't go way out offshore---lol--there are many larger boats I would prefer not to be in on a bad day than the 190.

For good skiing you need a pylon, I have not built one yet, it being a lower priority, but a pylon would really help out. Oh, never use a pylon for tubes/toys. We ski only, no tubing.

bkloss posted 07-09-2007 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for bkloss  Send Email to bkloss     
Having a 210 Outrage with a 200 Verado, I could not imagine equipping the 190 Outrage with the same motor. My opinion would be that it is "slightly" overpowered. Maybe the new, lighter block 200 that will be coming out at the end of summer might work but I would be surprised if BW offered that.

Boston Whaler has never been known for their "speed" performance as a selling tool so I don't think that you are going to see a change any time soon.

Brunswick products will be sold together unless they decide otherwise.

If you want higher speeds and other motor options; there are other boat manufacturers

highanddry posted 07-10-2007 04:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
It is the new lighter block Verdao that we are talking about or the Opti 175 which is the same weight as the Opti 150 or any other such similar engine (weight) with 150 to 200 horsepower. Just because you have a engine with 200 horses does not mean you have to run it wide open, the power is there however when you need to snap the boat onto the back of a wave or otherwise manuver rapidly when loaded heavily.

I don't expect Boston Whaler to offer it either, afterall they are a company stuck on the "cannot sink" thing when in this age that is nice but it is not unique and nothing has proven to me they are less likely to capsize, unsinkable or not. Safety is good and a strong engine that can handle the boat with authority at it's MAXIMUM weight under the WORST expected conditions is SAFER.

nydealer posted 07-10-2007 07:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
I have an '08 190 outrage that has finnished production and is waiting shipping. The max HP for '08 is still 150. New options for '08 now include electric trim tabs and a T-Top
highanddry posted 07-10-2007 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Well, I suppose the facroey T top option will quiet those who say the boat is to small for a T top--which it is not--as long as it is proportional.
bkloss posted 07-10-2007 02:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for bkloss  Send Email to bkloss     
I just saw a newer 190 outrage with a t-top last week off of Mission Bay channel. It looked great!

Brian

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Perry posted 07-10-2007 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I also prefer a fiberglass top. Here is a photo of mine:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/?action=view& current=Picture158.jpg

nydealer posted 07-10-2007 11:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
It is the Canvas top. The Fiberglass starts on the 24
highanddry posted 07-11-2007 04:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Perry, who made your top?

Perry posted 07-11-2007 01:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
highanddry, it was custom made by a metal fabricator here in Hawaii for $2500. It suits my needs well and is rock solid.
highanddry posted 07-11-2007 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
What secures it to the deck?
Perry posted 07-11-2007 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
The feet are secured to the deck (and the 8"X 8" phenolic pads under the deck) by heavy duty stainless screws. None of them have come loose in the 9 months its been on the boat and it has been in some very rough pounding open ocean conditions.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/DSC00670.jpg

whalerfan2 posted 07-16-2007 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfan2    
NYDEALER: How does the 2008 Nationally Advertised Selling Price of the 190 Outrage compare to that of the 2007?

Thanks.

jimh posted 07-17-2007 01:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have heard that in 2008 models the 190 MONTAUK will be getting an increase to 135-HP from 115-HP and there will be an option for the Verado on that boat, but I have not heard anything about a change in the 190 OUTRAGE.
jenkinsph posted 07-22-2007 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for jenkinsph  Send Email to jenkinsph     
I too would like to see the new 200 hp Verado available on
the 190 Outrage. If the projected forecast is for a drop
in production of 13% in the near future I would think that the stockholders would expect that company management do what is necessary to stay competitive. Since we are limited to Mercury engines in most cases, why not allow the
customers more leeway in the lineup? As for cost of the
package of boat and motor a buyer can choose between the
135 Optimax or up to a 200 Verado, depending on desires and
budget.

Being able to choose is a very important issue and can be a
good selling point. Everyone is not operating under the same conditions for instance all of my boating is at a minimum altitude of 4000' elevation and this makes a huge difference in performance. If all use of the boat were at sea level I might choose less power.

Right now I have the most conservatively rated whaler ever built, the 150 Sport with a 60 hp 2 stroke. WOT is 30 mph
and cruise is about 22 mph with one person, 12 gals gas, trolling motor and batteries ect. I would much prefer a top speed of about 40 mph and cruise of 28 to 30 mph. A
Yamaha 90 hp 2 stroke would be just right for this.


Steve


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