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Feejer posted 03-07-2007 11:08 AM ET (US)
Looking for advice on a purchase of a 2005 Dauntless 16. The boat is a left over and has the 90hp 4 stroke. Is this engine enough to pull tubers or boarders? I've been told the 90 has a higher planing speed?
Thanks
CCR3 posted 03-07-2007 11:28 AM ET (US)
You can improve the plane time with tails and props but you can never increase the power. if you look at the last page on the whaler.com 160 "performance" stats it shows all the same for about 2000 rpms then the 115`s spike up and the 90 never catches up. they are running through the powerband 5-10 mph faster than the 90. I say hold out for the 115. otherwise you will not be happy. good luck.
Feejer posted 03-07-2007 12:14 PM ET (US)
Thanks for that info. Yea, that a huges difference. The dealer however wants to up charge me 2K for the 115. That was not part of my buget. I just might pass on the boat.
CCR3 posted 03-07-2007 12:34 PM ET (US)
Is this the new boat in NJ? You might want to call around to a mercury marine dealer and ask them. Its a trade off thats for sure. With a used boat you can look for one someone has already sank 1000`s of $$ in electronics and canvas covers. I still think you could hold out for a used `04-06 and get what you want. Then again, that new 05 has fresh warranty on it.
CCR3 posted 03-07-2007 12:49 PM ET (US)
Have you seen these two(the two on the bottom have 115hp)? http://www.boats.com/listing/cache/listing_search_validate.jsp?searchPage=%2Flisting%2Fcache%2Fadvanced_search.jsp&ic=true&slim=quick&sm=3&sfm=false&bcint=&is=&bclint=&man=boston+whaler&fromYear=2004&toYear=2004&fromLength=16&toLength=16&luom=126&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0¤cyid=100&fromPrice=15000&toPrice=20000&psdistance=500&pszipcode=&city=&ac=&ac=&ac=&ac=&spid=&searchtype=buy&searchid=&ps=30&pbsint=&Search.x=39&Search.y=15&Search=done
Feejer posted 03-07-2007 01:11 PM ET (US)
Thanks CCR3
Yes this is the new 05 in NJ. I just talked to the dealer. He can't swap out an engine , he is not a box dealer. I can get the boat, engine and a new trailer with disc brakes for 23K. I voiced my concern over the 90hp and told him I would call him back in a week or so. I still have until the 31st to sign any paper work to get the 6 year engine warr. I'm not in a huge rush to get a boat. Seems the market is pretty slow around here. I could not get your links to load.
Feejer posted 03-07-2007 01:27 PM ET (US)
Got your link to load. I talked to the guy in NY. Nice sales guy. Good price 19.5K with a new motor. I just can't get myself to make a 10 hour round trip drive to look at the boat. Its out in the middle of no where.
Feejer posted 03-07-2007 01:28 PM ET (US)
New Trailer NOT new engine
Feejer posted 03-07-2007 06:36 PM ET (US)
Any other comments?
Marlin posted 03-07-2007 09:02 PM ET (US)
That boat in Penn Yan looked as clean and perfect as can be, and at a very attractive price. Then I got to the last two photos, which appear to show a pretty big scuff on the rubrail (no big deal) but also a hairline crack on the gunwale. That would deserve a much closer look -- probably it's just a gelcoat fracture, maybe it's much more.
In any event, I'd really recommend the 115 on the Dauntless. It's a heavy boat, and these Mercury 4-strokes with the Yamaha powerheads are not torque powerhouses, especially if it's an older carburated 90. Even with the 115, it took some toying around with props for me to get some successful waterskiing going with my boat. With the 90, you get all the weight of the 115 without the additional horsepower.
On the other hand, if your heart's really set on a 160 Dauntless, you'll probably find that there just aren't that many around. In 4 seasons of boating on the Potomac and Chesapeake, I've only ever seen one other. If you want to be picky, you'll probably have to be very patient. I can think of 5 or 6 other 160 owners on this forum, but the numbers don't seem to be anywhere near those for the 170 Montauk (and of course, nothing like the classic 17s).
As a point of interest, my early 2003 boat is hull number 325. The 16 Dauntless was introduced in the 1999 model year, so if we assume flat rate production, that's only about 80 hulls per year. I have no idea where the hull numbers are now. However, if you look at the history of the Dauntless line, it's also true that the 160 is the second-longest-production Dauntless model at 9 model years and counting, right behind the 180 at 10 years. That's a pretty successful model by most standards.
-Bob
Feejer posted 03-08-2007 09:00 AM ET (US)
I saw the photo's from Penn Yan also. I talked to the sales guy about the one in question. He said the owner hit the dock and their are gel coat cracks. I think I'll pass.
Feejer posted 03-08-2007 11:57 AM ET (US)
This is also the last year for the Dauntless 16
Marlin posted 03-08-2007 09:16 PM ET (US)
Where did you hear that?
Feejer posted 03-08-2007 09:26 PM ET (US)
Dealer told me Saturday 2007 would be the last year for the Dauntless 16. Seem sales have be slower than the rest of the fleet. www.clewsboats.com
Jefecinco posted 03-09-2007 09:12 AM ET (US)
Oh goody!!! If the Dauntless 16 will not be produced after 2007 does that mean mine will be a classic in 2008?
Butch
Marlin posted 03-09-2007 09:55 AM ET (US)
Interesting. Well, I can see that, especially if the rumor about an internal fuel tank on the 170 Montauk turns out to be true. As I've said a few times, Whaler's center-console lineup is pretty dense in the smaller sizes, with offerings at 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 19 feet.

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Author	Topic: 90 or 115 4 strokes on Dauntless 16 ???
Feejer	posted 03-07-2007 11:08 AM ET (US) Looking for advice on a purchase of a 2005 Dauntless 16. The boat is a left over and has the 90hp 4 stroke. Is this engine enough to pull tubers or boarders? I've been told the 90 has a higher planing speed? Thanks
CCR3	posted 03-07-2007 11:28 AM ET (US) You can improve the plane time with tails and props but you can never increase the power. if you look at the last page on the whaler.com 160 "performance" stats it shows all the same for about 2000 rpms then the 115`s spike up and the 90 never catches up. they are running through the powerband 5-10 mph faster than the 90. I say hold out for the 115. otherwise you will not be happy. good luck.
Feejer	posted 03-07-2007 12:14 PM ET (US) Thanks for that info. Yea, that a huges difference. The dealer however wants to up charge me 2K for the 115. That was not part of my buget. I just might pass on the boat.
CCR3	posted 03-07-2007 12:34 PM ET (US) Is this the new boat in NJ? You might want to call around to a mercury marine dealer and ask them. Its a trade off thats for sure. With a used boat you can look for one someone has already sank 1000`s of $$ in electronics and canvas covers. I still think you could hold out for a used `04-06 and get what you want. Then again, that new 05 has fresh warranty on it.
CCR3	posted 03-07-2007 12:49 PM ET (US) Have you seen these two(the two on the bottom have 115hp)? http://www.boats.com/listing/cache/listing_search_validate.jsp?searchPage=%2Flisting%2Fcache%2Fadvanced_search.jsp&ic=true&slim=quick&sm=3&sfm=false&bcint=&is=&bclint=&man=boston+whaler&fromYear=2004&toYear=2004&fromLength=16&toLength=16&luom=126&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0¤cyid=100&fromPrice=15000&toPrice=20000&psdistance=500&pszipcode=&city=&ac=&ac=&ac=&ac=&spid=&searchtype=buy&searchid=&ps=30&pbsint=&Search.x=39&Search.y=15&Search=done
Feejer	posted 03-07-2007 01:11 PM ET (US) Thanks CCR3 Yes this is the new 05 in NJ. I just talked to the dealer. He can't swap out an engine , he is not a box dealer. I can get the boat, engine and a new trailer with disc brakes for 23K. I voiced my concern over the 90hp and told him I would call him back in a week or so. I still have until the 31st to sign any paper work to get the 6 year engine warr. I'm not in a huge rush to get a boat. Seems the market is pretty slow around here. I could not get your links to load.
Feejer	posted 03-07-2007 01:27 PM ET (US) Got your link to load. I talked to the guy in NY. Nice sales guy. Good price 19.5K with a new motor. I just can't get myself to make a 10 hour round trip drive to look at the boat. Its out in the middle of no where.
Feejer	posted 03-07-2007 01:28 PM ET (US) New Trailer NOT new engine
Feejer	posted 03-07-2007 06:36 PM ET (US) Any other comments?
Marlin	posted 03-07-2007 09:02 PM ET (US) That boat in Penn Yan looked as clean and perfect as can be, and at a very attractive price. Then I got to the last two photos, which appear to show a pretty big scuff on the rubrail (no big deal) but also a hairline crack on the gunwale. That would deserve a much closer look -- probably it's just a gelcoat fracture, maybe it's much more. In any event, I'd really recommend the 115 on the Dauntless. It's a heavy boat, and these Mercury 4-strokes with the Yamaha powerheads are not torque powerhouses, especially if it's an older carburated 90. Even with the 115, it took some toying around with props for me to get some successful waterskiing going with my boat. With the 90, you get all the weight of the 115 without the additional horsepower. On the other hand, if your heart's really set on a 160 Dauntless, you'll probably find that there just aren't that many around. In 4 seasons of boating on the Potomac and Chesapeake, I've only ever seen one other. If you want to be picky, you'll probably have to be very patient. I can think of 5 or 6 other 160 owners on this forum, but the numbers don't seem to be anywhere near those for the 170 Montauk (and of course, nothing like the classic 17s). As a point of interest, my early 2003 boat is hull number 325. The 16 Dauntless was introduced in the 1999 model year, so if we assume flat rate production, that's only about 80 hulls per year. I have no idea where the hull numbers are now. However, if you look at the history of the Dauntless line, it's also true that the 160 is the second-longest-production Dauntless model at 9 model years and counting, right behind the 180 at 10 years. That's a pretty successful model by most standards. -Bob
Feejer	posted 03-08-2007 09:00 AM ET (US) I saw the photo's from Penn Yan also. I talked to the sales guy about the one in question. He said the owner hit the dock and their are gel coat cracks. I think I'll pass.
Feejer	posted 03-08-2007 11:57 AM ET (US) This is also the last year for the Dauntless 16
Marlin	posted 03-08-2007 09:16 PM ET (US) Where did you hear that?
Feejer	posted 03-08-2007 09:26 PM ET (US) Dealer told me Saturday 2007 would be the last year for the Dauntless 16. Seem sales have be slower than the rest of the fleet. www.clewsboats.com
Jefecinco	posted 03-09-2007 09:12 AM ET (US) Oh goody!!! If the Dauntless 16 will not be produced after 2007 does that mean mine will be a classic in 2008? Butch
Marlin	posted 03-09-2007 09:55 AM ET (US) Interesting. Well, I can see that, especially if the rumor about an internal fuel tank on the 170 Montauk turns out to be true. As I've said a few times, Whaler's center-console lineup is pretty dense in the smaller sizes, with offerings at 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 19 feet.