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dballbe posted 03-13-2007 01:06 PM ET (US)
Greetings from the other side of the pond! Its time for me to buy a new boat the question is which!
Current boat was bought after my father sold his 45 foot MY. Couldn't bare spending the season without being at sea so bought a CC without really giving it too much of a thought.
The hull is now getting old (1989...) and used and so is all the canvas and cushions. The ride was never very good and the fuel tank is tiny (40gal). So basically it is time to change!!
For the kind of boating I do, 19 to 20 foot range is fine. Don't go offshore for fishing, no over night sleeps, just boating on good days, all year round.
As for the whalers, I like the folding aft seat on the Dauntless, but I think this boat is a bit of a flats boat, and we get a fair bit of bad chop over here in the Med. Im also concerned about the cockpit depth which seems a bit low. I do have my nephews round occasionally. Any opinions on that?
Now the 190 Montauk looks pretty good. A no frills kind of boat. Simplicity at its best (and reasonably priced!) but again cockpit depth seems a little low.
So far im quite inclined to the 190 Outrage. There is only one flaw to it, and I feel it is important. No bow table. Why isn't there such an option?? Don't people have lunch on a day out?? has anyone figured a way of installing a table on it?
rgds from Spain,
Danny
porchmonkeycontrol posted 03-13-2007 08:00 PM ET (US)
WOW,actually someone else is in the exact same situation as me.except I'm downing from a beautiful 03' bluewater 25500twin 200HPDI yams down to my first whaler,after 20 years with bertrams,albemarles,and blackfins.my needs in aboat are changing as I age,and always wanted a whaler but never bought one.al I want to do now is go to the local watering holes/restaurnt with my wife on nice nights,not worry about leaving it in the water for3-4 nights in a row,and take my beautiful 7 yr old daughter tubing in the evenings after work.the montauk definitly rules out due to ride and performance(that's without even sea trialing it,115 max hp is an absolute joke....39 mph top speed no load?hello,the safety meeting has been over for years now.) The outrage is a beautiful and salty little ride but has no storage.NONE. By the time I load the small port access door with the life jackets and other misc safety gear items,their barely enough room for for my wife and her good lookin' friends pocketbooks.the comprimise for the legendary whaler unibond unsinkable and undestroyable design and construction shines right here as her own worst enemy,for the only bow storage is the bow rope/anchor locker,which I see from many years experience as nothing but an aggrevating situation when I have to ask the wife and same good lookin' friend to get off their duffs afetr a few glasses of wine to anchor the boat at the beach.a seperate dedicated anchor locker as top competitors offer (grady 209,edge 205.onslow bay 20 has verical locker)then there's the dauntless.storage problem instantly cured with pilot seat box and under that beautiful back seat.console is smaller,hull is not as salty,but perfect examples of compromise are clearly there,you must dial in your exact and specific use and needs the most.right now I'm kind of watching to see if they up the hp rating to handle the new 200 verado.I'd probably get the outrage for best ride in the chop.then again I'm also waiting for input on the new 200 dauntless.
Jefecinco posted 03-14-2007 07:20 PM ET (US)
Danny,
It's really very simple to mount a table forward of the console. You can do it as a permenant installation or you can do an installation which will allow you to remove the table for times when it would be inconvenient to have one installed.
My prefrence would be for the removable table. However, the issue on a CC boat is always stowage. Do you leave the table ashore when you won't be using it or would you rather stow it aboard so it can be put to use whenever you wish.
In order to have a useful table of any size and to make it stowable it would need to be a foldable table, IMO. With the proper design it and the pedestal needed to support it could be stowed in the console.
These are not difficult issues to deal with. With proper reinforcement a table made of "Starboard" marine lumber could serve quite well. I would use nothing but stainless hardware and a flat pedestal mount for the deck and underside of the table. Something quite like the fishing chair mounting arrangement for Whalers should serve very well.
I'm sure a local yard could handle the project for a reasonable cost or you could do it if you are up for a bit of fun.
Cheers,
Butch
dballbe posted 03-15-2007 07:06 AM ET (US)
Thanks Butch, you are right a foldeable table would be the way to go. I was thinking of using it as part of the sunlouncge when it is folded, which should keep the wife happy.
Now my problem is the dealer. Not only he is far but he doesnt have the boat in stock...Found lots of pics on this forum which is great, but still unsure of the boat. That folding bench seat on the Dauntless models looks great, and it seems to have good storage under it. I really wonder how the boat handles anything else but flat water.
Jefecinco posted 03-17-2007 09:48 AM ET (US)
Danny,
I have a 16 Dauntless. I believe you are looking at the 18 or larger since you mention a stern folding seat. My Dauntless provide a good ride in snotty conditions when speed and engine trim are adjusted correctly.
It looks to me as though all the Dauntless hulls are about the same shape with fairly sharp entry flatening a bit as you move aft. Even the new Montauks have a similar hull shape.
With the larger hulls, 18 or longer, I would opt for trim tabs for precise hull trim control. I would also opt for the maximum allowed HP.
IMO, these hulls when properly trimmed and with enough power and the proper propeller will perform very well and provide a very comfortable ride.
Between being almost infinitely trimable between engine trim and tabs and having enough power to maintain plane at low speeds when conditions so dictate an experienced operator will be very happy with an Outrage, Dauntless or Montauk, although the Outrage is probably the best design for snotty conditions.
Good luck,
Butch
Livingwater posted 03-18-2007 07:49 AM ET (US)
I've been through 4 to 5 footers with my 190 Nantucket (Outrage) and it handled good. Even though the Dauntless provides better seating and greater storage I bought the Outrage because it includes a trailer with the boat where as the Dauntless does not.
Jefecinco posted 03-18-2007 10:42 AM ET (US)
Livingwater,
The Dauntless was available with a trailer from Boston Whaler the last time I checked the web site.
I wonder why/when this changed? Do you know?
Butch
nydealer posted 03-18-2007 11:31 AM ET (US)
The Sport/Montauk series, 190 outrage and 205 conquest have trailer options from whaler because they were what was called the legend series in 2005. These were "Value" packages that were boat motor & Trailer from the factory. The new 200 dauntless has a trailer available but the rest of the line is not packaged with a trailer yet. I expect whaler to move towards this package with most boats in the future.
David1877 posted 03-21-2007 06:04 PM ET (US)
Take a look at the Eastport/Conquest 205 if you are not settled on a center console.
The boat has a deeper hull entry than the Dauntless. I know, I have owned both.
The dauntless 18 is very stable and capable boat. If speed is a factor, consider the 135 or larger. I had a 135 Optimax and it performed well.
The Eastport 205 with the 200 Opti moves about 52mph with three persons, gear and tank of fuel. Again, plenty fast. A bit noisy. Great performing hull but less stable than the Dauntless.

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Author	Topic: Dauntless, Outrage or Montauk?
dballbe	posted 03-13-2007 01:06 PM ET (US) Greetings from the other side of the pond! Its time for me to buy a new boat the question is which! Current boat was bought after my father sold his 45 foot MY. Couldn't bare spending the season without being at sea so bought a CC without really giving it too much of a thought. The hull is now getting old (1989...) and used and so is all the canvas and cushions. The ride was never very good and the fuel tank is tiny (40gal). So basically it is time to change!! For the kind of boating I do, 19 to 20 foot range is fine. Don't go offshore for fishing, no over night sleeps, just boating on good days, all year round. As for the whalers, I like the folding aft seat on the Dauntless, but I think this boat is a bit of a flats boat, and we get a fair bit of bad chop over here in the Med. Im also concerned about the cockpit depth which seems a bit low. I do have my nephews round occasionally. Any opinions on that? Now the 190 Montauk looks pretty good. A no frills kind of boat. Simplicity at its best (and reasonably priced!) but again cockpit depth seems a little low. So far im quite inclined to the 190 Outrage. There is only one flaw to it, and I feel it is important. No bow table. Why isn't there such an option?? Don't people have lunch on a day out?? has anyone figured a way of installing a table on it? rgds from Spain, Danny
porchmonkeycontrol	posted 03-13-2007 08:00 PM ET (US) WOW,actually someone else is in the exact same situation as me.except I'm downing from a beautiful 03' bluewater 25500twin 200HPDI yams down to my first whaler,after 20 years with bertrams,albemarles,and blackfins.my needs in aboat are changing as I age,and always wanted a whaler but never bought one.al I want to do now is go to the local watering holes/restaurnt with my wife on nice nights,not worry about leaving it in the water for3-4 nights in a row,and take my beautiful 7 yr old daughter tubing in the evenings after work.the montauk definitly rules out due to ride and performance(that's without even sea trialing it,115 max hp is an absolute joke....39 mph top speed no load?hello,the safety meeting has been over for years now.) The outrage is a beautiful and salty little ride but has no storage.NONE. By the time I load the small port access door with the life jackets and other misc safety gear items,their barely enough room for for my wife and her good lookin' friends pocketbooks.the comprimise for the legendary whaler unibond unsinkable and undestroyable design and construction shines right here as her own worst enemy,for the only bow storage is the bow rope/anchor locker,which I see from many years experience as nothing but an aggrevating situation when I have to ask the wife and same good lookin' friend to get off their duffs afetr a few glasses of wine to anchor the boat at the beach.a seperate dedicated anchor locker as top competitors offer (grady 209,edge 205.onslow bay 20 has verical locker)then there's the dauntless.storage problem instantly cured with pilot seat box and under that beautiful back seat.console is smaller,hull is not as salty,but perfect examples of compromise are clearly there,you must dial in your exact and specific use and needs the most.right now I'm kind of watching to see if they up the hp rating to handle the new 200 verado.I'd probably get the outrage for best ride in the chop.then again I'm also waiting for input on the new 200 dauntless.
Jefecinco	posted 03-14-2007 07:20 PM ET (US) Danny, It's really very simple to mount a table forward of the console. You can do it as a permenant installation or you can do an installation which will allow you to remove the table for times when it would be inconvenient to have one installed. My prefrence would be for the removable table. However, the issue on a CC boat is always stowage. Do you leave the table ashore when you won't be using it or would you rather stow it aboard so it can be put to use whenever you wish. In order to have a useful table of any size and to make it stowable it would need to be a foldable table, IMO. With the proper design it and the pedestal needed to support it could be stowed in the console. These are not difficult issues to deal with. With proper reinforcement a table made of "Starboard" marine lumber could serve quite well. I would use nothing but stainless hardware and a flat pedestal mount for the deck and underside of the table. Something quite like the fishing chair mounting arrangement for Whalers should serve very well. I'm sure a local yard could handle the project for a reasonable cost or you could do it if you are up for a bit of fun. Cheers, Butch
dballbe	posted 03-15-2007 07:06 AM ET (US) Thanks Butch, you are right a foldeable table would be the way to go. I was thinking of using it as part of the sunlouncge when it is folded, which should keep the wife happy. Now my problem is the dealer. Not only he is far but he doesnt have the boat in stock...Found lots of pics on this forum which is great, but still unsure of the boat. That folding bench seat on the Dauntless models looks great, and it seems to have good storage under it. I really wonder how the boat handles anything else but flat water.
Jefecinco	posted 03-17-2007 09:48 AM ET (US) Danny, I have a 16 Dauntless. I believe you are looking at the 18 or larger since you mention a stern folding seat. My Dauntless provide a good ride in snotty conditions when speed and engine trim are adjusted correctly. It looks to me as though all the Dauntless hulls are about the same shape with fairly sharp entry flatening a bit as you move aft. Even the new Montauks have a similar hull shape. With the larger hulls, 18 or longer, I would opt for trim tabs for precise hull trim control. I would also opt for the maximum allowed HP. IMO, these hulls when properly trimmed and with enough power and the proper propeller will perform very well and provide a very comfortable ride. Between being almost infinitely trimable between engine trim and tabs and having enough power to maintain plane at low speeds when conditions so dictate an experienced operator will be very happy with an Outrage, Dauntless or Montauk, although the Outrage is probably the best design for snotty conditions. Good luck, Butch
Livingwater	posted 03-18-2007 07:49 AM ET (US) I've been through 4 to 5 footers with my 190 Nantucket (Outrage) and it handled good. Even though the Dauntless provides better seating and greater storage I bought the Outrage because it includes a trailer with the boat where as the Dauntless does not.
Jefecinco	posted 03-18-2007 10:42 AM ET (US) Livingwater, The Dauntless was available with a trailer from Boston Whaler the last time I checked the web site. I wonder why/when this changed? Do you know? Butch
nydealer	posted 03-18-2007 11:31 AM ET (US) The Sport/Montauk series, 190 outrage and 205 conquest have trailer options from whaler because they were what was called the legend series in 2005. These were "Value" packages that were boat motor & Trailer from the factory. The new 200 dauntless has a trailer available but the rest of the line is not packaged with a trailer yet. I expect whaler to move towards this package with most boats in the future.
David1877	posted 03-21-2007 06:04 PM ET (US) Take a look at the Eastport/Conquest 205 if you are not settled on a center console. The boat has a deeper hull entry than the Dauntless. I know, I have owned both. The dauntless 18 is very stable and capable boat. If speed is a factor, consider the 135 or larger. I had a 135 Optimax and it performed well. The Eastport 205 with the 200 Opti moves about 52mph with three persons, gear and tank of fuel. Again, plenty fast. A bit noisy. Great performing hull but less stable than the Dauntless.