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Help with potential Montauk purchase
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posted 04-08-2007 10:31 PM ET (US)
I have the opportunity to purchase a two-year-old 2005 170 Montauk which has been garage kept and lightly used. Overall, I cannot distinguish this boat from a brand new one due to the care the owner has taken. The boat has a Saltwater model Mercury 90 four-stroke (non-EFI model). I have owned a few Mercury motors and older OMC motors and they've all seemed to have given me reliable service. The asking price for the boat, motor, trailer, and electronics is $20,000, which seems fair comparing it to new prices. I am very close to pulling the trigger on this deal but got pointed to this site regarding this particular engine. Some say it was one of the "lemons" that Mercury produced and my browsing through previous threads on this site seems to agree with that.
I would appreciate first-hand feedback from owners of this particular outboard. I know a couple of fellow boaters in the coastal Virginia area who powered their boats with this model and they love it. Still, perhaps there are problems I should be aware of.
Thanks very much in advance.
posted 04-08-2007 11:48 PM ET (US)
John--First, a hardy welcome. Glad you found the website.
As for the 170 MONTAUK, the boat has been, by all measures, a huge success. I don't think there is much to debate about that.
The concern for the engine is more difficult to judge, and here, unfortunately, I am not able to speak with first hand knowledge. There have been, as you have observed, complaints about the engine having problems with the carburetors. I hope you will draw out some new reports from owners on this problem. Let's see what people have to say.
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posted 04-09-2007 07:04 AM ET (US)
I didn't know my boat was for sale!
Good boat. Good motor. Total package.
posted 04-09-2007 11:35 AM ET (US)
I have a 2004 Montauk and it certainly is a great boat. I can fish in a foot of water, 30+ miles off shore or take it to the lake with the kids. Spend the day on the water and use 10-15 gals of fuel. The first 100 hours the engine ran like a sewing machine, at that point I had filled the tank with very cheap gas and my problems started. After a carb cleaning , a 10 micron filter, and ONLY premium grade fuel...most of those problem went away. I do need to pull it out of the garage every few weeks and run it to keep it fresh. I would ask the owner to start it up and run it to see if it starts easily and go from there!
posted 04-09-2007 12:42 PM ET (US)
John..I have the exact same boat 05 w/90 4stroke, carbs.
From new it has had a Racor fuel/water filter 10 micron
never any problems at all.
I add Sea Foam to every tank of fuel..keeps things clean.
The Merc 4 strokes have very small passages in the carbs that will clogg if the fuel is not kept clean.
posted 04-09-2007 08:42 PM ET (US)
Thanks very much guys for your replies and insight. I am a descent backyard mechanic and judging from my discussions with the owner, so is he. It sure seems like he has also taken good care of the engine and he added a water separater filter shortly after purchasing the boat. He has added the Mercury branded fuel additive in all gas and claims to never have had a problem. The carb bowls were drained back in the fall and I think he wants to make sure I am serious buyer before dewinterizing and taking the boat for a spin. Looks like I will show him I'm serious so we can take the boat out and then take the next step. The engine has a low pitch 4-blade Australian propeller the owner special ordered for water skiing.
Thanks again for your help...
posted 04-10-2007 10:00 AM ET (US)
Isn't a 2005 Mercury still under factory warranty? I would think so. Call any dealer and give them the serial number and they'll let you know its history.
posted 04-10-2007 12:03 PM ET (US)
John, the only complaints I've ever heard have been carburator problems, specifically clogging of the idle passages, and whining in idle and/or clunking into gear. Given the number of people that must run this engine, compared to the number of complaints I've read, the carburator problem doesn't seem like it's a terribly widespread thing. The whining and clunking seems common to the 90 and 115 (my engine) 4-strokes, but is not a major issue.
I see you're in Falls Church; I'm in Fairfax and keep my 160 Dauntless at Pohick Bay. I'd be happy to hook you up with some of the local Chesapeake Whaler owners; there are some events coming up in June.
Welcome to CW, it's an incredible storehouse of information!
posted 04-10-2007 01:30 PM ET (US)
I have been away from this site for a while because I have sold my 2005 Mointauk 170 due to an impending divorce.
I can tell you when i did sell it, I had the dreaded carbs problem and it took a few dollars of the final sale price.
That being said, I loved my montauk. It was an amazing first boat for me and it was a work horse. I took it fishing, cruising and out to dinner and drinks.
I will miss it alot. Good luck with yours. You will be the envy of many boaters who own larger fishing boats. I can't tell you how many compliments I had or how many people told me that they always wanted a montauk.
All the best,
posted 04-11-2007 11:18 PM ET (US)
Royboy and Montaukman, thanks for your input and I will ask who the servicind dealer is.
Marlin: We are in the process of moving here from SC so I am in between both places now. Looking to purchase a home in the Falls Church area this summer if we can make a deal in this market. I will definitely keep you in mind for boating and the upcoming events, it sounds like loads of fun.
Thanks so much for the warm welcome.
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