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Ian_H posted 06-05-2007 01:46 AM ET (US)   Profile for Ian_H   Send Email to Ian_H  
While going over my Montauk 170 I noticed that the fuel line is not long enough to hook up the port tank while it is in place. When I tried to see if I could pull more fuel line out of the tunnel it did not want to come too easily and I was a little reluctant to apply much force. Is there more of the fuel line in the tunnel that I can pull out?

My second question is on opening the inspection cover under the aft starboard seat. I have tried to open this using hand strength and either I am not very strong or there is a trick to this. Will someone please enlighten me as to how I can remove this cover?

Knot at Work posted 06-05-2007 02:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     

I also own a 170. Regarding the Fuel line. You should have enough exposed line to connect to either fuel tank without moving them. There is a little slack in the hull to pull through. I recommend you do it carefully. If there simply is not enough, then I would take it back to the dealer. You can always disconnect and move the fuel tanks but you really do not want to have to do this to swap tanks.

Regarding the access cover. Yea they screw em on pretty hard. I recommend you take a pair of water pump pliers (adjustable pliers) and put a piece of intertube over both ends and then grab the handle to keep tight. Insert a screw driver between the handles and turn. It will come off. GO easy so you dont gouge the fiberglass/plastic.

coat the threads with a lubricant before screwing back in.

I do not recommend you tap it with a hammer or anything...

Buckda posted 06-05-2007 02:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Ian -

Welcome to the Clan of Whaler owners!

Knot at Work has given good advice. I'd only add that given the distance to your dealer, you may wish to swap out fuel hoses on your own. It's pretty easy to do, since you just tie some twine around the end of the existing hose, tie the new hose to it and pull them both through. Leave the twine in the tunnel for future rigging tasks. This is pretty easy and inexpensive. I'd buy the hose bulk and then fit a nice bulb (get Quicksilver or BRP - not TEMPO) and end fittings to the new hose (you may be able to scavenge the old fittings from the original hose). This way you can trim the hose so it just fits on the longer reach to the second tank.

Another option for down the road is to swap the two tanks for a single, larger capacity one. Of course, the nice thing about two tanks is that you know without a doubt when you have to head home!

Enjoy the new boat!


fisherman posted 06-05-2007 04:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for fisherman  Send Email to fisherman     
I think once you get the inspection cover off, you may find the fuel line hose tangled up with a raft of ther wires inside. This may be the reason why the hose cannot be pulled through a little more to reach the other tank.
fishroy3 posted 06-06-2007 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishroy3  Send Email to fishroy3     
I have owned two Montauks 1985 and 2004, only way to go is to spend the money and buy an aluminum tank. I had a Tempo Red 27 gallon plastic tank and hated the color, so I took the tank to a local tank manufacturer and he manufactured an aluminum tank to the same dimensions. What a difference.
Cost was $300
Ian_H posted 06-06-2007 11:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ian_H  Send Email to Ian_H     
Thank you all for the answers.

Knot at Work:
The water pump pliers idea was pretty slick and I had the inspection plate off in no time.

Dave and Ray:
Unfortunately, once I removed the inspection plate I found out that the fuel line is too short. So I will have to pick up a longer length of fuel line to replace the existing one. I plan to pick up two 12 gallon tanks in the near future however, if I do not replace the fuel line first I will be swapping 12 gallon tanks instead of 6 gallon tanks.

You suggested placing a bulb on the fuel line. There is not one there now. Is there a benefit to placing one in the fuel line?

I was thinking of duct taping the end of the new fuel line to the existing one and pulling / pushing it through from the engine to the fuel tanks. Does this sound reasonable?


Knot at Work posted 06-07-2007 02:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
Ian take both ends the old hose and the new one and clamp them together with a hose clamp when you pull them through. go ahead and take some small line (cotton line works best like that used for chalk lines from Home Depot,) and tape it to the line also and that way you will have a pre-set line already ready next time you need to fish lines through the hull... it can lay there no problem...
gbcbu posted 06-07-2007 06:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for gbcbu  Send Email to gbcbu     
Ian-H: There is a article on this site about 12 gal tanks that GreatBayNH wrote. He converted to 2 12's but if I understand correctly he has to make additional modifications because it is such a tight fit. He has some great pictures of his installation too.
GreatBayNH posted 06-07-2007 02:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
RE: Hose
Let me get this straight. You bought a new or used Montauk 170? If new have the dealer correct the issue. I'm surprised the dealer let a boat leave the shop with a hose that was unable to hook up to the port side 6.6 QuickSilver tank. If used, how did the previous owner hook up the tank? I'd get a list together of all this little issues you have, I'm sure you can find more, and have the dealer fix them in one vist (since I gathered the dealer is far far away).

RE: "opening the inspection cover under the aft starboard seat"

The "seat" is actually a "step" and should not be used as a "seat" while underway.

GreatBayNH posted 06-07-2007 02:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
RE: 2 - Tempo PBW 12 Gallon tanks.

Thanks for the plug Jerry!
The addition of the 2 -Tempo PBW 12 Gallon tanks has proven to be awesome!! I can cruse around for 3-4 hours before having to switch tanks. The switching of the fuel hose is a little tight but I've practiced and it's not as bad as I had previously thought. I wouldn't want to do it under too much stress however.

Just to clarify the "modifications" needed are the purchase of low profile, self-venting, gas caps from Home Depot as the clearance under the RPS is slim to none. No further modifications are needed but one I think that would make life MUCH easier would be the installation of an access hatch on the RPS. This way you can fill up at the dock without moving the tanks, check the fuel gauges and switch the fuel hose with little effort. I can't install an access hatch until the "boss" lets me spend another dime on the boat.


GreatBayNH posted 06-07-2007 03:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I should clarify that the addition and moving of hold down straps for the larger tanks is needed. Call it a "modification" if you like.


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