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highspeed_jd posted 07-13-2007 07:58 AM ET (US)
I think that I might downsize from my 25 Outrage to a 23 Conquest within a year or so and was wondering what the range would be for this boat. Either a single 225 or one with twin 135's. I will be using it in the Gulf of Mexico. Any information is greatly appreciated.
handn posted 07-13-2007 08:46 AM ET (US)
The 23 Conquest has an optional 150 gallon fuel tank. The standard tank is 135 gallons.
I had a 23 Conquest with a single 225 Optimax and a 150 gallon tank. My range with a 10% reserve was a little over 300 nautical miles.
Bella con23 posted 07-13-2007 08:52 AM ET (US)
I am averaging about 1.6 miles per gallon with a Merc. 225 2 stroke EFI Saltwater series. The fuel tank hold 125 gallons and I would feel comfortable running 150 miles on a tank.
I'm sure that a 4-stroke or at least a Optimax would extend that range to 200+.
highspeed_jd posted 07-13-2007 08:52 AM ET (US)
Thanks. How did the boat handle? I've heard that they are a dry boat for 23'. I was looking at these when I bought my 25 and the urge to get one is even greater now. Plus, I am about to get married and the soon-to-be wife wants a few of the amenities as home, like the head and fresh water shower.
highspeed_jd posted 07-13-2007 08:56 AM ET (US)
Sounds like it has a good range with a single.
Bella con23 posted 07-13-2007 09:27 AM ET (US)
Love my 1999 23 Conquest. It is a very dry running boat in all but very windy conditions. I'm very confident taking it anywhere with my kids on-board and it is very well laid out for family use. It is also very comfortable fishing.
I would imagine the difference in deck space between your current boat and a Conquest would take you some getting used to.
highspeed_jd posted 07-13-2007 10:48 AM ET (US)
It looks to be very "family efficiant" to me also. As for the room, I have plenty of room for fishing, but not much seating, which is key to her. I don't think I'll have a problem getting use to the shorter boat, but I do need to get out on one and see what I think first hand.
contender posted 07-17-2007 10:30 PM ET (US)
This is a decision that you have to make. If you are always going far off shore it is nice to have that second engine. However I would rate the 23 as a single engine boat,(planning to run offshore have a kicker). Twin engines two water pumps, double plugs, and double problems. Here is another thought, If you have twins and one motor does not start at the dock, do you still go out? good luck
highspeed_jd posted 07-18-2007 10:01 AM ET (US)
Very good points taken for the single screw. But I do enjoy the "insurance" that twins give me. My uncle and dad would rather me repower with a single instead of twins. If I did get a boat that had a single motor, I would definately have to have a kicker for back up.
noregrets posted 07-19-2007 09:51 AM ET (US)
I have a 1997 conquest that came with a Merc 225 EFI. With singles OB many of the Conquests came with 400Lb of lead in the stern. The boat was designed for twins. If no lead, the boat always rode bow down unless up on plane. It becames a problem with slow following seas. (The new conquest 23 has single only option.)
I had installed a fuel flow meter ($125) since I could not trust the gas guage due to sea conditions. I also had a 15 hp 4stroke kicker) and I was doing a lot of off shore fishing (20-25 miles out)
With my merc 225 EFI at 4500 RPM,23 MPH, I got 1.2 Miles per gallon with 125 gallon tank (range 150 miles) I repowered last october with Twin Honda 150 4strokes and now get 2.7 MPG at 30 MPH (337 mile range) . With the repower the positive are, ride is much better, much quieter, no oil and double my effective fishing range off shore.
The negative is slower hole shot, two engine maintenance.
I love my hondas and in retrospect I should have repowered a few years ago.
Other things to aware of (all learned on searching this site for years) on 23 Conquests 1997-2001.
Hard top alluminum support welds breaking. (under designed by whaler) twice my hard top support welds cracked and undermined the stability of the entire hard top. When I contacted Whaler (year 8 of 10 year warranty) they made good on warrany and installed (no charge) new additional aluminum support braces forward and in back of hard top.
Desinged for twin outboards if no additional weight added in stern water collects in forward bilge in cabin.
Ride is dry and boat very stable. The negative is ride is really hard and rough. There is a lot of pounding compared to other boat designs.
highspeed_jd posted 07-19-2007 10:37 AM ET (US)
Welcome to the board noregrets and thanks for the reply. I think that I am going to downsize to the 23 Conquest, its just going to be a matter of time. You were talking about getting excellent fuel economy with the Hondas, but is that the same RPM comparison as the Mercury? I really looking forward to getting a 23.
BW23 posted 07-19-2007 11:09 AM ET (US)
I owned a 97 23 CON with a 225EFI w/ MIRAGE 15P prop
The best MPG I got was 1.8 via. GPS and Fuel flow meter.
MPG will vary a great deal depending on water conditions.
Anything over 2 foot chop, my 23CON would pound terribly. I even increased the size of the trim tabs to try and get the bow down more. Didn't make much of a difference.
In larger seas or swells, it was difficult to find a confortable speed. Either too fast(pound,pound,pound) or too slow (fall off plane) in which case you use more fuel.
It took 10 months to sell the boat cause everyone "knew" about the rough ride !
Oh......but the ride is very dry ! No tears were lost after I sold it !

Tom W Clark posted 07-19-2007 11:22 AM ET (US)
I would not consider moving from an Outrage 25 to a 23' Conquest to be "downsizing". While the 23' Conquest is shorter, it is also wider and actually weighs more than my 25' Revenge Walk Through, which will get 2.3 MPG with its old two stroke Mercury 150s.
The Revenge 25 also has a 140 gallon tank whereas the 23' Conquest has only a 125 gallon tank.
highspeed_jd posted 07-19-2007 02:28 PM ET (US)
Thats true. I would have basically the same fuel capacity, but more storage. I guess I could call it a side step instead of a step down :)
Is it as rough riding as the 25? Some people consider the older 25's rough, but I don't.
highspeed_jd posted 07-19-2007 02:30 PM ET (US)
Also when it does come time to really start looking, I am going to find one with the 150 gallon fuel tank.
bsmotril posted 07-23-2007 05:31 PM ET (US)
When I owned mine with twin Opti 135s, I could get 3mpg on a light chop at 3200 rpm and about 23mph. In the typical gulf fishing trip heading out into a 2-4' headsea for 40-50 miles, then trolling all day, and heading in with a following sea, I was getting 2.2 - 2.5 mpg, running about 3500 rpm. Pretty darn good for twins. The boat would top out at 45mph, and even more important, stay on plane down to 18mph which is needed for those nasty days.
BillS
diveorfish posted 07-24-2007 03:54 AM ET (US)
It seems that many 23 owners are having problems with head sea ride quality.
I have a 2001 23 Outrage with twin 135 Optis and the boat with a full tank (166 gallons or about 1000 lbs. ) and big passengers sitting on the back seat is stern heavy and does pound a bit in head seas. Even engines fully tucked in and tabs all the way down isn’t always enough to overcome the stern heaviness when fully loaded. I was looking for a way to improve the ride. I thought about bigger tabs or changing props but I wasn’t sure what to do.
My dealer suggested Whale Tail XLs at about $52 a piece. I went ahead and had my dealer put them on for a paltry bill of $112. Boy what a difference. The boat doesn’t pound anymore. The Whale Tails lift the stern enough for the boat to plane in the sweet spot where it cuts though the waves as opposed to slapping against them. The ride improvement is significant. Last weekend I was playing in the “Potato Patch” ( a stretch of water in and around the Golden Gate Bridge) and enjoying every minute of it. I could actually hold plane at about 17 mph if I wanted to. I could never do that before. With the Whale Tails I could easily cruise a very windy and confused 4 foot sea at about 21 mph and probably go about 3 mph faster in relative comfort except that my passengers were traumatized and wouldn't let me go any faster. (My passengers were new to snotty seas. We were also the only power boat out there which was disconcerting to them and further gives you an idea of how rough the seas were)
Whale Tails were really the answer for me. Now I have the legendary dry ride, the excellent stability, the great following sea ride and now I can finally add a good head sea ride to my list.
fishinchips posted 07-25-2007 11:43 AM ET (US)
I also found that the whaletail xl does help. I have it on my hydrasports 22wa. However, I some how cracked mine and will look further into another brand. I am thinking of the permatrim.
Ken (170 montauk / 22 hydrasports wa)
ivansfo posted 07-26-2007 02:36 PM ET (US)
diveorfish, I'm seriously thinking about the WhaleTail too now. I'm still waiting for a deal on a 4 blade prop for my 23 Conquest.
Just one question. In your dual motor setup, how much room is left between the two WhaleTail plates? And have any pictures of the setup?
Ivan

diveorfish posted 07-26-2007 07:12 PM ET (US)
Ivan:
I didn’t measure it but there is enough room for me to squeeze through sideways; maybe about 9 inches. I will measure tonight.
I’ll do you one better than pictures. You are welcome the drive my boat and judge for yourself.
Just curious though, I would think that the added weight of the Cabin would be enough to keep the bow down but I guess not.
Also, how do props provide enough stern lift? What are the dynamics behind them?
Fishinchips: I also heard about them cracking as well. I guess it is better to crack the Whale tail instead of the cavitation plate.
fishinchips posted 07-26-2007 07:48 PM ET (US)
Diveorfish: maybe we should all meet some where in the bay. Test each other boats out with and without the fin.
Its always better to crack the whaletail instead of a cavatation plate 8-)
Ken
diveorfish posted 07-27-2007 07:33 PM ET (US)
Fishinchips:
That would be fun. When your whale tail cracked, were all the screws tight? My dealer told me to check them every time and I due. So far I have had to tighten them down every other outing. I would be interesting to compare boats in the same condition.
fishinchips posted 07-27-2007 09:15 PM ET (US)
Diveorfish,
Yes, screws/nuts are tight.
Ken
Mambo Minnow posted 07-28-2007 08:15 AM ET (US)
To put this ride commentary in perspective, Conquest 23 might not ride as well as other WHALERS, but beats alot of the competition. I find the trim tabs to be a great benefit on Conquests. Twin powered 23 would be an ideal boat where I live because the Gulf stream is 90 miles out and twins are a must for safety.
I took my friend out into open ocean in June for some kingfishing in my Conquest 21. We watched a 23 foot center console from a competitor rising out of the water on swells. Friend commented how much more solid my boat felt and how little we were coming out of the water headed into the swells.
No doubt the competition is faster and why we see so few Whalers in SKA tournaments. However, the ride is not very comfortable for those gents. Of course, that's not their primary concern. Getting to the honey spots first is their priority.
ivansfo posted 07-30-2007 02:35 PM ET (US)
Tim,
Thanks for the offer for the ride. With 2 young kids at home, I don't have much free time these days. But next time you are boating in SF Bay, please do let me know. I was going to just take the plunge with the WhaleTail but the Outboard Motor Shop is out of stock on them as of this past Friday. They supposed to be getting more in stock this week.
I think the extra weight of the cabin and hardtop on my Conquest only adds to the problem. Though most of the weight is more forward than aft, I think it generally adds more weight to the hull.
I still want to try a 4 blade prop in addition to the WhaleTail. My problem is falling off plane too soon, at around 19 mph. And those familiar with the SF Bay area know that 19 mph is typically too fast for a smooth ride in our waters. With the added traction of 4 blades and the stern lift of a WhaleTail, I'm hoping the boat can stay on plane down to 16 or 17 mph.
If I ever complete a set of 4 blade props and I find it helps the ride even more, I can lend you the props to try on your boat too. Hopefully, I can locate the RH prop I need in the next few months.

thebobber posted 08-05-2007 10:55 AM ET (US)
I have a single 250 efi and my consumption is about the same as mentioned above for the 225. Mine is a 1999. The boats ride is a little hard but not much worse then the other 23's. I do not have a lot of hours-(330), or time, to use it but I can tell you it is amazing in a following sea and when getting through rough conditions at slow speeds (the inlets.)
She is a haevier boat then most others and you can really feel the difference around the docks. I have never felt threatened.
I think the weight of the 250 efi is great, and I do not have any water laying in the cabin problems that I read about. She sits nice in the water.
With that said, I have decided to sell her as I have so little time. Boat is in SC and is loaded and has a 2005 aluminum traielr.
prm1177 posted 08-08-2007 02:47 PM ET (US)
I originally looked at a CQ 23 with an Opti 225 before I bough Bill's 23 with twin Opti 135s. In my sea trial of the single, I felt that engine needed a 4 blade to work the boat properly. That said, I can confirm Bill's performance and mileage figures. I really like this boat with twins.

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Author	Topic: 23 Conqest range with Single or Twins
highspeed_jd	posted 07-13-2007 07:58 AM ET (US) I think that I might downsize from my 25 Outrage to a 23 Conquest within a year or so and was wondering what the range would be for this boat. Either a single 225 or one with twin 135's. I will be using it in the Gulf of Mexico. Any information is greatly appreciated.
handn	posted 07-13-2007 08:46 AM ET (US) The 23 Conquest has an optional 150 gallon fuel tank. The standard tank is 135 gallons. I had a 23 Conquest with a single 225 Optimax and a 150 gallon tank. My range with a 10% reserve was a little over 300 nautical miles.
Bella con23	posted 07-13-2007 08:52 AM ET (US) I am averaging about 1.6 miles per gallon with a Merc. 225 2 stroke EFI Saltwater series. The fuel tank hold 125 gallons and I would feel comfortable running 150 miles on a tank. I'm sure that a 4-stroke or at least a Optimax would extend that range to 200+.
highspeed_jd	posted 07-13-2007 08:52 AM ET (US) Thanks. How did the boat handle? I've heard that they are a dry boat for 23'. I was looking at these when I bought my 25 and the urge to get one is even greater now. Plus, I am about to get married and the soon-to-be wife wants a few of the amenities as home, like the head and fresh water shower.
highspeed_jd	posted 07-13-2007 08:56 AM ET (US) Sounds like it has a good range with a single.
Bella con23	posted 07-13-2007 09:27 AM ET (US) Love my 1999 23 Conquest. It is a very dry running boat in all but very windy conditions. I'm very confident taking it anywhere with my kids on-board and it is very well laid out for family use. It is also very comfortable fishing. I would imagine the difference in deck space between your current boat and a Conquest would take you some getting used to.
highspeed_jd	posted 07-13-2007 10:48 AM ET (US) It looks to be very "family efficiant" to me also. As for the room, I have plenty of room for fishing, but not much seating, which is key to her. I don't think I'll have a problem getting use to the shorter boat, but I do need to get out on one and see what I think first hand.
contender	posted 07-17-2007 10:30 PM ET (US) This is a decision that you have to make. If you are always going far off shore it is nice to have that second engine. However I would rate the 23 as a single engine boat,(planning to run offshore have a kicker). Twin engines two water pumps, double plugs, and double problems. Here is another thought, If you have twins and one motor does not start at the dock, do you still go out? good luck
highspeed_jd	posted 07-18-2007 10:01 AM ET (US) Very good points taken for the single screw. But I do enjoy the "insurance" that twins give me. My uncle and dad would rather me repower with a single instead of twins. If I did get a boat that had a single motor, I would definately have to have a kicker for back up.
noregrets	posted 07-19-2007 09:51 AM ET (US) I have a 1997 conquest that came with a Merc 225 EFI. With singles OB many of the Conquests came with 400Lb of lead in the stern. The boat was designed for twins. If no lead, the boat always rode bow down unless up on plane. It becames a problem with slow following seas. (The new conquest 23 has single only option.) I had installed a fuel flow meter ($125) since I could not trust the gas guage due to sea conditions. I also had a 15 hp 4stroke kicker) and I was doing a lot of off shore fishing (20-25 miles out) With my merc 225 EFI at 4500 RPM,23 MPH, I got 1.2 Miles per gallon with 125 gallon tank (range 150 miles) I repowered last october with Twin Honda 150 4strokes and now get 2.7 MPG at 30 MPH (337 mile range) . With the repower the positive are, ride is much better, much quieter, no oil and double my effective fishing range off shore. The negative is slower hole shot, two engine maintenance. I love my hondas and in retrospect I should have repowered a few years ago. Other things to aware of (all learned on searching this site for years) on 23 Conquests 1997-2001. Hard top alluminum support welds breaking. (under designed by whaler) twice my hard top support welds cracked and undermined the stability of the entire hard top. When I contacted Whaler (year 8 of 10 year warranty) they made good on warrany and installed (no charge) new additional aluminum support braces forward and in back of hard top. Desinged for twin outboards if no additional weight added in stern water collects in forward bilge in cabin. Ride is dry and boat very stable. The negative is ride is really hard and rough. There is a lot of pounding compared to other boat designs.
highspeed_jd	posted 07-19-2007 10:37 AM ET (US) Welcome to the board noregrets and thanks for the reply. I think that I am going to downsize to the 23 Conquest, its just going to be a matter of time. You were talking about getting excellent fuel economy with the Hondas, but is that the same RPM comparison as the Mercury? I really looking forward to getting a 23.
BW23	posted 07-19-2007 11:09 AM ET (US) I owned a 97 23 CON with a 225EFI w/ MIRAGE 15P prop The best MPG I got was 1.8 via. GPS and Fuel flow meter. MPG will vary a great deal depending on water conditions. Anything over 2 foot chop, my 23CON would pound terribly. I even increased the size of the trim tabs to try and get the bow down more. Didn't make much of a difference. In larger seas or swells, it was difficult to find a confortable speed. Either too fast(pound,pound,pound) or too slow (fall off plane) in which case you use more fuel. It took 10 months to sell the boat cause everyone "knew" about the rough ride ! Oh......but the ride is very dry ! No tears were lost after I sold it !
Tom W Clark	posted 07-19-2007 11:22 AM ET (US) I would not consider moving from an Outrage 25 to a 23' Conquest to be "downsizing". While the 23' Conquest is shorter, it is also wider and actually weighs more than my 25' Revenge Walk Through, which will get 2.3 MPG with its old two stroke Mercury 150s. The Revenge 25 also has a 140 gallon tank whereas the 23' Conquest has only a 125 gallon tank.
highspeed_jd	posted 07-19-2007 02:28 PM ET (US) Thats true. I would have basically the same fuel capacity, but more storage. I guess I could call it a side step instead of a step down :) Is it as rough riding as the 25? Some people consider the older 25's rough, but I don't.
highspeed_jd	posted 07-19-2007 02:30 PM ET (US) Also when it does come time to really start looking, I am going to find one with the 150 gallon fuel tank.
bsmotril	posted 07-23-2007 05:31 PM ET (US) When I owned mine with twin Opti 135s, I could get 3mpg on a light chop at 3200 rpm and about 23mph. In the typical gulf fishing trip heading out into a 2-4' headsea for 40-50 miles, then trolling all day, and heading in with a following sea, I was getting 2.2 - 2.5 mpg, running about 3500 rpm. Pretty darn good for twins. The boat would top out at 45mph, and even more important, stay on plane down to 18mph which is needed for those nasty days. BillS
diveorfish	posted 07-24-2007 03:54 AM ET (US) It seems that many 23 owners are having problems with head sea ride quality. I have a 2001 23 Outrage with twin 135 Optis and the boat with a full tank (166 gallons or about 1000 lbs. ) and big passengers sitting on the back seat is stern heavy and does pound a bit in head seas. Even engines fully tucked in and tabs all the way down isn’t always enough to overcome the stern heaviness when fully loaded. I was looking for a way to improve the ride. I thought about bigger tabs or changing props but I wasn’t sure what to do. My dealer suggested Whale Tail XLs at about $52 a piece. I went ahead and had my dealer put them on for a paltry bill of $112. Boy what a difference. The boat doesn’t pound anymore. The Whale Tails lift the stern enough for the boat to plane in the sweet spot where it cuts though the waves as opposed to slapping against them. The ride improvement is significant. Last weekend I was playing in the “Potato Patch” ( a stretch of water in and around the Golden Gate Bridge) and enjoying every minute of it. I could actually hold plane at about 17 mph if I wanted to. I could never do that before. With the Whale Tails I could easily cruise a very windy and confused 4 foot sea at about 21 mph and probably go about 3 mph faster in relative comfort except that my passengers were traumatized and wouldn't let me go any faster. (My passengers were new to snotty seas. We were also the only power boat out there which was disconcerting to them and further gives you an idea of how rough the seas were) Whale Tails were really the answer for me. Now I have the legendary dry ride, the excellent stability, the great following sea ride and now I can finally add a good head sea ride to my list.
fishinchips	posted 07-25-2007 11:43 AM ET (US) I also found that the whaletail xl does help. I have it on my hydrasports 22wa. However, I some how cracked mine and will look further into another brand. I am thinking of the permatrim. Ken (170 montauk / 22 hydrasports wa)
ivansfo	posted 07-26-2007 02:36 PM ET (US) diveorfish, I'm seriously thinking about the WhaleTail too now. I'm still waiting for a deal on a 4 blade prop for my 23 Conquest. Just one question. In your dual motor setup, how much room is left between the two WhaleTail plates? And have any pictures of the setup? Ivan
diveorfish	posted 07-26-2007 07:12 PM ET (US) Ivan: I didn’t measure it but there is enough room for me to squeeze through sideways; maybe about 9 inches. I will measure tonight. I’ll do you one better than pictures. You are welcome the drive my boat and judge for yourself. Just curious though, I would think that the added weight of the Cabin would be enough to keep the bow down but I guess not. Also, how do props provide enough stern lift? What are the dynamics behind them? Fishinchips: I also heard about them cracking as well. I guess it is better to crack the Whale tail instead of the cavitation plate.
fishinchips	posted 07-26-2007 07:48 PM ET (US) Diveorfish: maybe we should all meet some where in the bay. Test each other boats out with and without the fin. Its always better to crack the whaletail instead of a cavatation plate 8-) Ken
diveorfish	posted 07-27-2007 07:33 PM ET (US) Fishinchips: That would be fun. When your whale tail cracked, were all the screws tight? My dealer told me to check them every time and I due. So far I have had to tighten them down every other outing. I would be interesting to compare boats in the same condition.
fishinchips	posted 07-27-2007 09:15 PM ET (US) Diveorfish, Yes, screws/nuts are tight. Ken
Mambo Minnow	posted 07-28-2007 08:15 AM ET (US) To put this ride commentary in perspective, Conquest 23 might not ride as well as other WHALERS, but beats alot of the competition. I find the trim tabs to be a great benefit on Conquests. Twin powered 23 would be an ideal boat where I live because the Gulf stream is 90 miles out and twins are a must for safety. I took my friend out into open ocean in June for some kingfishing in my Conquest 21. We watched a 23 foot center console from a competitor rising out of the water on swells. Friend commented how much more solid my boat felt and how little we were coming out of the water headed into the swells. No doubt the competition is faster and why we see so few Whalers in SKA tournaments. However, the ride is not very comfortable for those gents. Of course, that's not their primary concern. Getting to the honey spots first is their priority.
ivansfo	posted 07-30-2007 02:35 PM ET (US) Tim, Thanks for the offer for the ride. With 2 young kids at home, I don't have much free time these days. But next time you are boating in SF Bay, please do let me know. I was going to just take the plunge with the WhaleTail but the Outboard Motor Shop is out of stock on them as of this past Friday. They supposed to be getting more in stock this week. I think the extra weight of the cabin and hardtop on my Conquest only adds to the problem. Though most of the weight is more forward than aft, I think it generally adds more weight to the hull. I still want to try a 4 blade prop in addition to the WhaleTail. My problem is falling off plane too soon, at around 19 mph. And those familiar with the SF Bay area know that 19 mph is typically too fast for a smooth ride in our waters. With the added traction of 4 blades and the stern lift of a WhaleTail, I'm hoping the boat can stay on plane down to 16 or 17 mph. If I ever complete a set of 4 blade props and I find it helps the ride even more, I can lend you the props to try on your boat too. Hopefully, I can locate the RH prop I need in the next few months.
thebobber	posted 08-05-2007 10:55 AM ET (US) I have a single 250 efi and my consumption is about the same as mentioned above for the 225. Mine is a 1999. The boats ride is a little hard but not much worse then the other 23's. I do not have a lot of hours-(330), or time, to use it but I can tell you it is amazing in a following sea and when getting through rough conditions at slow speeds (the inlets.) She is a haevier boat then most others and you can really feel the difference around the docks. I have never felt threatened. I think the weight of the 250 efi is great, and I do not have any water laying in the cabin problems that I read about. She sits nice in the water. With that said, I have decided to sell her as I have so little time. Boat is in SC and is loaded and has a 2005 aluminum traielr.
prm1177	posted 08-08-2007 02:47 PM ET (US) I originally looked at a CQ 23 with an Opti 225 before I bough Bill's 23 with twin Opti 135s. In my sea trial of the single, I felt that engine needed a 4 blade to work the boat properly. That said, I can confirm Bill's performance and mileage figures. I really like this boat with twins.