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tripletail posted 07-24-2007 02:52 PM ET (US)
Just took in my [190 OUTRAGE] for 100 service. What is involved other than oil change? What do you estimate the cost?
Buckda posted 07-24-2007 07:09 PM ET (US)
This is a good question for your shop!
What does your manual say is involved in the 100 Hour Service? We might be able to guide you on costs for those tasks.
Shop labor is likely $90 an hour or better.
Good luck and let us know so we can give you a little help.
Dave
Sal A posted 07-25-2007 05:33 AM ET (US)
I am thinking you will get a bill for $300.
jimh posted 07-25-2007 06:59 AM ET (US)
You have me confused. Is the service interval:
--annual (once-a-year),
--every 100-hours of operation, or
--one time only, first 100-hours?
bluewaterpirate posted 07-25-2007 07:11 AM ET (US)
Here you go Jim ......
http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/357950/487387/ 22266175/file.jpg
http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/357950/487387/ 22266176/file.jpg
Tom
tripletail posted 07-30-2007 10:29 AM ET (US)
Picked up the boat, had an annual service, not just an oil change. The list of parts included two fuel filters?, seals, gaskets, oil filter and some other things. Anyway, labor was 95 per hour * 3.5 hours plus parts. $473 total.
Buckda posted 07-30-2007 11:09 AM ET (US)
Hey Tripletail -
Thanks for the information.
Since this is an annual service (approx 100 hours/season?), can you do some of that work yourself? I'd want my dealer checking things like tolerances, etc, but fluid changes and even swapping out fuel filters sounds like something that a relatively handy guy could perform.
$500/year sounds like a great annuity program for dealerships built into the service interval for this motor...I'd be looking for ways to reduce the total cost, if possible.
Jordi posted 08-01-2007 06:01 PM ET (US)
Buckda,
A good bit of the 100 hr service can be done by the novice mechanic. (Look at the information on the Verado club web site for information). Dealer wants $450 for the 100 hr service on the Verado 200 which is reasonable, in spite of the fact that most of the work is relatively easy to do. At 300 hr service ($780) changing the impeller can be a bit of a challenge, but again most of the work can be done by the home mechanic.
Jordi
WhalerAce posted 08-01-2007 09:35 PM ET (US)
So tell me again how much money these four-strokes are saving over the two-smokes?
If this service is 100 hours OR ANNUAL, that is an awful lot of gas you could have bought.
Not being snotty, but two-strokes look better all the time.
Jordi posted 08-01-2007 11:32 PM ET (US)
"So tell me again how much money these four-strokes are saving over the two-smokes?" another useless comparison of two vs. four strokes....
porchmonkeycontrol posted 08-02-2007 07:52 PM ET (US)
why is it a "useless comparison" ? the man is making a very clear,valid point....4 strokes cost more to maintain,period. accept it. numbers don't lie.
Jordi posted 08-02-2007 10:36 PM ET (US)
porchmonkeycontrol,
The 100 hr service at Marine Max for the 135 Optimax is $40 less than the 200 Verado. The service requirement for 100 hrs/annual is the same whether you have a 2 or 4 stroke. You service your outboard every 100 hours and at 300 hours you get a more comprehensive service. 4 strokes do cost more to maintain, it depends what you are willing to trade off. “numbers don't lie”, only owners who have never owned the products yet offer useless advice.
bigjohn1 posted 08-03-2007 08:45 AM ET (US)
I tend to agree with Jordi. A 4-stroke "CAN" be more expensive if you have a dealer do everything but if you are willing to do a bit of the work yourself, it is not the case.
I have over 500 hours on a 4-stroke and my oil changes every 60-75 hours cost me $20.00 in parts and about 30-45 minutes of my time on a Saturday morning. My spark plug changes cost me $12.00 and it takes me perhaps an hour to do about every 12-15 months. My lower unit oil changeouts cost me $8.00 2-3 times per year and take about 30 minutes to perform.
I leave the impeller, thermostat, and valve clearance checks to the dealer. They have been done/changed once in 500 hours and if memory serves me, the bill for all was around $295.00.
"Expensive" is a relative term. I love the superior fuel economy and at my relatively high annual useage rate of my boat, the 4-stroke was no doubt the right choice for me.
Buckda posted 08-03-2007 08:53 AM ET (US)
I wasn't condemning the Verado motor. (Or any other 4-stroke)...$500 a throw seems expensive to me, though. I'm on my second season of use with new motors and have bought 1 sparkplug (I broke it when re-gapping) and of course, about 4 gallons of DFI oil.
Perhaps, as Jordi pointed out, it is because I do some of my own maintenance, which will help when it comes time to service my motors (at 300 hour intervals) at the dealership. I will do my own lower unit oil change each season, which in the frozen northland really isn't optional - except this year, when the impellers will be changed. I replace, index and re-gap my own sparkplugs. I lube the throttle/shift cables and keep the powerhead clean. The dealer can do the rest, whatever that is.
I just suggest that someone like Tripletail, once he is more comfortable with the motor, try his hand at some self-service things to keep costs down....although I understand completely with a brand new motor allowing a dealer to do the work...especially while the motor is in the warranty period.
Good luck guys....I'm off for a week of boating at Isle Royale National Park in Lake Superior...hope you have fun on your boats this weekend!
Dave
tripletail posted 08-03-2007 10:07 AM ET (US)
Yes the motor is new and this was the first time in for service. I bought the boat as a dealer demo, so I wanted to get the full service for peace of mind.
davej14 posted 08-03-2007 01:12 PM ET (US)
The "useless" service cost comparison really needs to be made with the classic 2-stroke to be valid. There is a heavy price to pay for the "advantages" of a 4-stroke (pun intended). I think we all know the differences by now, it is personal preference, lighten up :-)
fno posted 08-03-2007 01:32 PM ET (US)
Another dead horse subject already beaten to death on this site and all the others. This mundane bickering usually only starts after the lakes ice over. I have a four stroke with 300 hrs on it. It got the 20 hr. service to keep my dealer happy and has never been back. Unless the valve lash needs adjustment or the cam timing belt needs replacement, you can do all the rest yourself at a considerably lower cost. Pick up a manual, read it, then you can do your own maintenance.

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Author	Topic: Annual 100 Hour Service 190 OUTRAGE, 150 Verado
tripletail	posted 07-24-2007 02:52 PM ET (US) Just took in my [190 OUTRAGE] for 100 service. What is involved other than oil change? What do you estimate the cost?
Buckda	posted 07-24-2007 07:09 PM ET (US) This is a good question for your shop! What does your manual say is involved in the 100 Hour Service? We might be able to guide you on costs for those tasks. Shop labor is likely $90 an hour or better. Good luck and let us know so we can give you a little help. Dave
Sal A	posted 07-25-2007 05:33 AM ET (US) I am thinking you will get a bill for $300.
jimh	posted 07-25-2007 06:59 AM ET (US) You have me confused. Is the service interval: --annual (once-a-year), --every 100-hours of operation, or --one time only, first 100-hours?
bluewaterpirate	posted 07-25-2007 07:11 AM ET (US) Here you go Jim ...... http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/357950/487387/ 22266175/file.jpg http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/357950/487387/ 22266176/file.jpg Tom
tripletail	posted 07-30-2007 10:29 AM ET (US) Picked up the boat, had an annual service, not just an oil change. The list of parts included two fuel filters?, seals, gaskets, oil filter and some other things. Anyway, labor was 95 per hour * 3.5 hours plus parts. $473 total.
Buckda	posted 07-30-2007 11:09 AM ET (US) Hey Tripletail - Thanks for the information. Since this is an annual service (approx 100 hours/season?), can you do some of that work yourself? I'd want my dealer checking things like tolerances, etc, but fluid changes and even swapping out fuel filters sounds like something that a relatively handy guy could perform. $500/year sounds like a great annuity program for dealerships built into the service interval for this motor...I'd be looking for ways to reduce the total cost, if possible.
Jordi	posted 08-01-2007 06:01 PM ET (US) Buckda, A good bit of the 100 hr service can be done by the novice mechanic. (Look at the information on the Verado club web site for information). Dealer wants $450 for the 100 hr service on the Verado 200 which is reasonable, in spite of the fact that most of the work is relatively easy to do. At 300 hr service ($780) changing the impeller can be a bit of a challenge, but again most of the work can be done by the home mechanic. Jordi
WhalerAce	posted 08-01-2007 09:35 PM ET (US) So tell me again how much money these four-strokes are saving over the two-smokes? If this service is 100 hours OR ANNUAL, that is an awful lot of gas you could have bought. Not being snotty, but two-strokes look better all the time.
Jordi	posted 08-01-2007 11:32 PM ET (US) "So tell me again how much money these four-strokes are saving over the two-smokes?" another useless comparison of two vs. four strokes....
porchmonkeycontrol	posted 08-02-2007 07:52 PM ET (US) why is it a "useless comparison" ? the man is making a very clear,valid point....4 strokes cost more to maintain,period. accept it. numbers don't lie.
Jordi	posted 08-02-2007 10:36 PM ET (US) porchmonkeycontrol, The 100 hr service at Marine Max for the 135 Optimax is $40 less than the 200 Verado. The service requirement for 100 hrs/annual is the same whether you have a 2 or 4 stroke. You service your outboard every 100 hours and at 300 hours you get a more comprehensive service. 4 strokes do cost more to maintain, it depends what you are willing to trade off. “numbers don't lie”, only owners who have never owned the products yet offer useless advice.
bigjohn1	posted 08-03-2007 08:45 AM ET (US) I tend to agree with Jordi. A 4-stroke "CAN" be more expensive if you have a dealer do everything but if you are willing to do a bit of the work yourself, it is not the case. I have over 500 hours on a 4-stroke and my oil changes every 60-75 hours cost me $20.00 in parts and about 30-45 minutes of my time on a Saturday morning. My spark plug changes cost me $12.00 and it takes me perhaps an hour to do about every 12-15 months. My lower unit oil changeouts cost me $8.00 2-3 times per year and take about 30 minutes to perform. I leave the impeller, thermostat, and valve clearance checks to the dealer. They have been done/changed once in 500 hours and if memory serves me, the bill for all was around $295.00. "Expensive" is a relative term. I love the superior fuel economy and at my relatively high annual useage rate of my boat, the 4-stroke was no doubt the right choice for me.
Buckda	posted 08-03-2007 08:53 AM ET (US) I wasn't condemning the Verado motor. (Or any other 4-stroke)...$500 a throw seems expensive to me, though. I'm on my second season of use with new motors and have bought 1 sparkplug (I broke it when re-gapping) and of course, about 4 gallons of DFI oil. Perhaps, as Jordi pointed out, it is because I do some of my own maintenance, which will help when it comes time to service my motors (at 300 hour intervals) at the dealership. I will do my own lower unit oil change each season, which in the frozen northland really isn't optional - except this year, when the impellers will be changed. I replace, index and re-gap my own sparkplugs. I lube the throttle/shift cables and keep the powerhead clean. The dealer can do the rest, whatever that is. I just suggest that someone like Tripletail, once he is more comfortable with the motor, try his hand at some self-service things to keep costs down....although I understand completely with a brand new motor allowing a dealer to do the work...especially while the motor is in the warranty period. Good luck guys....I'm off for a week of boating at Isle Royale National Park in Lake Superior...hope you have fun on your boats this weekend! Dave
tripletail	posted 08-03-2007 10:07 AM ET (US) Yes the motor is new and this was the first time in for service. I bought the boat as a dealer demo, so I wanted to get the full service for peace of mind.
davej14	posted 08-03-2007 01:12 PM ET (US) The "useless" service cost comparison really needs to be made with the classic 2-stroke to be valid. There is a heavy price to pay for the "advantages" of a 4-stroke (pun intended). I think we all know the differences by now, it is personal preference, lighten up :-)
fno	posted 08-03-2007 01:32 PM ET (US) Another dead horse subject already beaten to death on this site and all the others. This mundane bickering usually only starts after the lakes ice over. I have a four stroke with 300 hrs on it. It got the 20 hr. service to keep my dealer happy and has never been back. Unless the valve lash needs adjustment or the cam timing belt needs replacement, you can do all the rest yourself at a considerably lower cost. Pick up a manual, read it, then you can do your own maintenance.