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Whalerdog posted 09-06-2007 09:12 PM ET (US)
I was jumping/playing in some 4' seas just starting to crest at Jones Inlet today and the engine shuts off. I tried cranking it with no luck. Then I started smelling gas. I wonder how could I have flooded it with EFI.
Cranked one more time before I was going to lift the cover in the rough water. I see gas shooting out of the cover base. I pulled the cover after trimming the motor up to make it easier. I see the fuel line on the side of the 115 4 stroke had popped off the fuel filter. I snapped it back on and then it was fine.
I retuned to the dock and tried to pop the line off with no luck. It looks like there is a red spot you push on to release it, not sure?
Also there are 4 or 3 rubber cones on the 115 cover which slide over some pins. One was missing and the cover wasn't tight as I thought it should be. I found the lost rubber cone in the mid section. It seems to be a blessing as it let me see the gas coming out. If it was sealed tight it might have taken me longer to smell the gas and see it. They should use some adhesive on the cones to prevent them from popping off easy. The cover being loose did put a tiny wear mark on the mid section.
Boat handled the water well but I need to mount the extinguisher better as it is always loose in rough water.
Rear inspection plates also popped again and a takle box bounced out when the door opened.
sheikofthesea posted 09-07-2007 12:11 AM ET (US)
Whalerdog I have a Montauk 190 and it sounds to me like you play rough. I did have one problem with the throttle cable box coming loose and realized it was a combination of me holding on to the throttle while steering and the fact that the screws that hold down the bracket don't have a nut on the other side. No problems with the fuel line so far.
bigjohn1 posted 09-07-2007 08:19 AM ET (US)
I would think a little rubber cement on clean, non-greased pins should keep those cones from popping off again. My boat is 2' shorter than yours and at times, I am in some fairly rough ocean water. I have never had the tackle door or extinguisher come loose. Sounds like you are having some fun with that boat:)
Whalerdog posted 09-07-2007 09:03 PM ET (US)
Today was the best day yet since I have had it. Seas were 4'-5' in the Jones Inlet. Two guys were out in jet skis in the ocean having a blast. I was surprised how fast they were in the rough water. They were running 25-30 mph. I had to really hammer it to put some distance on them. There was a big center console 35+ with triple Verado's but he didn't go out. I wanted to see it run in the rough. I still can't believe how little fuel the motor burns. I pulled the sender and check it today like the dealer did.
Good idea and I will put some adhesive on the cones. I probably caught it when removing the cover, lucky it fell into the mid section.
I try not to hang on the throttle and remember your post about it. I am getting a big vibration noise from bait well hatch. I shoved some paper towel under it to tighten it. Low freeboard makes it fun in the rough water. Water was braking about 18" to 24" from the bow when coming off one wave and flying into the next. It is like a huge surf board although I never surfed. Just a great boat and very sea worthy. I'll have to check the engine mounting bushings as time goes by.
swist posted 09-08-2007 08:25 AM ET (US)
I run my Montauk in the ocean in the Northeast. Whaler or no whaler, that amount of bouncing around can and will find everything that's loose. In those conditions, part of one's yearly (or even more often) maintenance procedure needs to include a bow to stern sweep of every single fastener, fitting etc - testing and retightening (or replacing as necessary).
I recently temporarily lost my VHF because the antenna cable fell out after unscrewing itself - the connector on the back of the radio was hidden by the insides of the engine control box and caused me to consistently overlook it. Sure enough, after a couple of years it worked loose. Out of sight, out of mind - those are the components most at risk.
highanddry posted 09-08-2007 11:42 AM ET (US)
The adhesive you want is 1300L. This a gooey yellow adhesive that is very strong. It is used in the auto and aviation industry and is often refered affectionatly to as Gorrila Snot.
I think somebody is going ot get there self upside down. Being a Whaler does not make it immune to physics.
Whalerdog posted 09-08-2007 07:58 PM ET (US)
Thanks I do have some of that glue I used on the car.I'll never say never but not likely I'll go over. 15 years plus running in offshore boats at up to 145 MPH. One roll over when substituting for someone who got hurt. One stuff which were not my fault but we did go 150' over 6' under the water as witnessed by the rescue helicopter than just happen to be over us. They new it was 6' as the lost total sight of the boat in Lake Ponchatrain Louisiana. I do respect the power of the seas as I have seen many killed in races. First Skater with 3 2.4s outboards to win a true IA World Championship in Key West in 87.
There is or was I guess after the hurricane a restaurant with a 24' Skater that blew over in a complete upside down loop that hit the water flat and they kept on racing.It was a sequnce of 6 or 8 photos start to finish.
People thought I was nuts buying a Whaler but I always wanted one. No payments, low fuel bills, easy to clean and wax, and I am having some good fun. Like when I was a kid in 68 I went for a ride in a 13'. When you thought the bow was going under it would make it over the next wave. Same thing with the 19', now I will try to mount a video for kicks.
I just like to see what type of seas it will take even at 40 mph max or less I can still get a thrill. Great boat and today my girl friend was nervous going out the Jones inlet not flying may be but the 3-4 swells and chop on top were not so bad. I turned in and later took her out at 2,000 rpm and she didn't say a word. I showed her the boat will float over the waves even going slow. Then I turned to head in and she was not nervous. We picked up some speed surfing the waves in at 30 mph. Tried to show her unless they are curling and breaking the waves are fine.
As swist said I know everything will come lose from racing or running hard. Like going to a race from NY to MI with a crew and a few people flying and have one wire fall off or break and you out of the race. Lost my flag that was mounted on the rails from vibration. I should have used locktite. Thanks for the advice guys!

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Author	Topic: Playing in some 4' seas engine dies!
Whalerdog	posted 09-06-2007 09:12 PM ET (US) I was jumping/playing in some 4' seas just starting to crest at Jones Inlet today and the engine shuts off. I tried cranking it with no luck. Then I started smelling gas. I wonder how could I have flooded it with EFI. Cranked one more time before I was going to lift the cover in the rough water. I see gas shooting out of the cover base. I pulled the cover after trimming the motor up to make it easier. I see the fuel line on the side of the 115 4 stroke had popped off the fuel filter. I snapped it back on and then it was fine. I retuned to the dock and tried to pop the line off with no luck. It looks like there is a red spot you push on to release it, not sure? Also there are 4 or 3 rubber cones on the 115 cover which slide over some pins. One was missing and the cover wasn't tight as I thought it should be. I found the lost rubber cone in the mid section. It seems to be a blessing as it let me see the gas coming out. If it was sealed tight it might have taken me longer to smell the gas and see it. They should use some adhesive on the cones to prevent them from popping off easy. The cover being loose did put a tiny wear mark on the mid section. Boat handled the water well but I need to mount the extinguisher better as it is always loose in rough water. Rear inspection plates also popped again and a takle box bounced out when the door opened.
sheikofthesea	posted 09-07-2007 12:11 AM ET (US) Whalerdog I have a Montauk 190 and it sounds to me like you play rough. I did have one problem with the throttle cable box coming loose and realized it was a combination of me holding on to the throttle while steering and the fact that the screws that hold down the bracket don't have a nut on the other side. No problems with the fuel line so far.
bigjohn1	posted 09-07-2007 08:19 AM ET (US) I would think a little rubber cement on clean, non-greased pins should keep those cones from popping off again. My boat is 2' shorter than yours and at times, I am in some fairly rough ocean water. I have never had the tackle door or extinguisher come loose. Sounds like you are having some fun with that boat:)
Whalerdog	posted 09-07-2007 09:03 PM ET (US) Today was the best day yet since I have had it. Seas were 4'-5' in the Jones Inlet. Two guys were out in jet skis in the ocean having a blast. I was surprised how fast they were in the rough water. They were running 25-30 mph. I had to really hammer it to put some distance on them. There was a big center console 35+ with triple Verado's but he didn't go out. I wanted to see it run in the rough. I still can't believe how little fuel the motor burns. I pulled the sender and check it today like the dealer did. Good idea and I will put some adhesive on the cones. I probably caught it when removing the cover, lucky it fell into the mid section. I try not to hang on the throttle and remember your post about it. I am getting a big vibration noise from bait well hatch. I shoved some paper towel under it to tighten it. Low freeboard makes it fun in the rough water. Water was braking about 18" to 24" from the bow when coming off one wave and flying into the next. It is like a huge surf board although I never surfed. Just a great boat and very sea worthy. I'll have to check the engine mounting bushings as time goes by.
swist	posted 09-08-2007 08:25 AM ET (US) I run my Montauk in the ocean in the Northeast. Whaler or no whaler, that amount of bouncing around can and will find everything that's loose. In those conditions, part of one's yearly (or even more often) maintenance procedure needs to include a bow to stern sweep of every single fastener, fitting etc - testing and retightening (or replacing as necessary). I recently temporarily lost my VHF because the antenna cable fell out after unscrewing itself - the connector on the back of the radio was hidden by the insides of the engine control box and caused me to consistently overlook it. Sure enough, after a couple of years it worked loose. Out of sight, out of mind - those are the components most at risk.
highanddry	posted 09-08-2007 11:42 AM ET (US) The adhesive you want is 1300L. This a gooey yellow adhesive that is very strong. It is used in the auto and aviation industry and is often refered affectionatly to as Gorrila Snot. I think somebody is going ot get there self upside down. Being a Whaler does not make it immune to physics.
Whalerdog	posted 09-08-2007 07:58 PM ET (US) Thanks I do have some of that glue I used on the car.I'll never say never but not likely I'll go over. 15 years plus running in offshore boats at up to 145 MPH. One roll over when substituting for someone who got hurt. One stuff which were not my fault but we did go 150' over 6' under the water as witnessed by the rescue helicopter than just happen to be over us. They new it was 6' as the lost total sight of the boat in Lake Ponchatrain Louisiana. I do respect the power of the seas as I have seen many killed in races. First Skater with 3 2.4s outboards to win a true IA World Championship in Key West in 87. There is or was I guess after the hurricane a restaurant with a 24' Skater that blew over in a complete upside down loop that hit the water flat and they kept on racing.It was a sequnce of 6 or 8 photos start to finish. People thought I was nuts buying a Whaler but I always wanted one. No payments, low fuel bills, easy to clean and wax, and I am having some good fun. Like when I was a kid in 68 I went for a ride in a 13'. When you thought the bow was going under it would make it over the next wave. Same thing with the 19', now I will try to mount a video for kicks. I just like to see what type of seas it will take even at 40 mph max or less I can still get a thrill. Great boat and today my girl friend was nervous going out the Jones inlet not flying may be but the 3-4 swells and chop on top were not so bad. I turned in and later took her out at 2,000 rpm and she didn't say a word. I showed her the boat will float over the waves even going slow. Then I turned to head in and she was not nervous. We picked up some speed surfing the waves in at 30 mph. Tried to show her unless they are curling and breaking the waves are fine. As swist said I know everything will come lose from racing or running hard. Like going to a race from NY to MI with a crew and a few people flying and have one wire fall off or break and you out of the race. Lost my flag that was mounted on the rails from vibration. I should have used locktite. Thanks for the advice guys!