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WT posted 10-05-2007 01:50 PM ET (US)   Profile for WT   Send Email to WT  
Strike 3, our partnership Revenge has a Baystar hydraulic steering system. The steering is very smooth in rough waters.

I'm thinking of having a Baystar hydraulic steering system installed on my 170 Montauk. When the water is rough, my current steering system seems rough as well.

Is hydraulic steering an overkill for a 170 Montauk?

Thanks,

Warren

an86carrera posted 10-05-2007 02:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for an86carrera  Send Email to an86carrera     
Warren,
I have it on my 15' and love it. Never fighting the wheel to go straight and being able let go of the wheel while on plane is nice also.

They don't freeze up like teleflex does from time to time.

Len

mikeyairtime posted 10-05-2007 04:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for mikeyairtime    
Hydraulic steering should be standard on a high end boat like a Whaler. It's the only way to go.
where2 posted 10-05-2007 07:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
I'm with Len, I have it on my 15_Sport... Money well spent, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
fishinchips posted 10-06-2007 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for fishinchips  Send Email to fishinchips     
I am thinking of this also WT.

ken

erik selis posted 10-08-2007 04:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Warren,

Hydraulic steering on our 170 Montauk would be fantastic. It's also something I'm planning on doing in the near future. Last year I installed a SeaStar system on my buddy's 17 Montauk and now I am sooo jealous. His has the tilting helm pump with (I think it was) 4 positions. Perfect for the lower console of our 170. In now way is it overkill and I agree that our steering is heavy in rougher conditions.

Erik

Feejer posted 10-08-2007 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
How much money are we talking about? I have a know on my wheel right now, and when the boat is traveling straight the knob is at 12 O'Clock. Is it true with a hydraulic system the wheel will float around and the knob will not be at the same position all the time?
an86carrera posted 10-08-2007 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for an86carrera  Send Email to an86carrera     
Yes the knob will move around (does on mine anyway) I've gotten used to it.
Len
Feejer posted 10-08-2007 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
How much for a system installed?
WT posted 10-08-2007 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Ballpark price of Baystar installed is around $1000-1100.

$500-650 for Baystar and $400-500 for the install.

Warren

fishinchips posted 10-08-2007 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for fishinchips  Send Email to fishinchips     
The wheel does move around. At least on my 22 hydrasport with hydraulic steering.


ken

where2 posted 10-08-2007 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
You can get a Baystar with a Tilt Helm. I acutally converted my baystar tilt helm unit to a standard helm unit because the tilt was going to be too deep for my little console.

Install takes an afternoon if you're handy with tools... The question is, can you get the cable steering out of the tilt tube without picking up the engine?? If so, it's easier than it was on my classic 15_Sport.

WT posted 10-08-2007 08:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
I was told that the engine has to be "picked up".

Warren

RLSmith posted 10-09-2007 10:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for RLSmith  Send Email to RLSmith     
quote:
>I have it on my 15' and love it. Never fighting the wheel
>to go straight and being able let go of the wheel while
>on plane is nice also.

This might sound like a dumb question but what type of steering can you not let go of? I have a 2000 16' Dauntless with the standard equipment described in the specs as "Teleflex tilt no-feedback steering system." It has never pulled one way or the other. Just to verify today, I let loose of the wheel at a cruise speed approx 27 mph and even continued over small boat wake. The course remained straight. It has been so long since I have driven a different boat, I can't remember whether any others had an obvious pull.

oahuwhaler posted 10-10-2007 02:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for oahuwhaler  Send Email to oahuwhaler     
Warren,
I just cut the steering cable and tossed it.
I thought it out and it wasn't worth the effort lifting the motor and saving the cable.
Perry posted 10-10-2007 03:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I too am probably going to install a Baystar unit on my 190 Outrage. The teleflex system doesn't provide enough steering power for the 135 HP motor on my boat.

I am hoping the install won't be too difficult. I may just do as oahuwhaler suggests and cut the existing cable.

I have seen the Baystar units on eBay for a good price and will likely buy one for myself for Christmas.

where2 posted 10-10-2007 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
To answer the question about my previous comment regarding letting go of the steering wheel, there is/was a lesser grade of Teleflex mechanical steering helm (Safe-T was the name, IIRC) than the "No Feedback" which did not have the gears inside it that create the "No Feedback" function. Various whalers over the years have used various steering helms. They have not always been equipped from the factory with "No Feedback" helms. My 1985 15_Sport steering wheel had a tug on it at certain engine trim angles because it had a Safe-T cable steering helm, rather than a "No Feedback" helm.

I've driven boats with Safe-T, No Feedback, Baystar, Seastar, and of them I'll take a Baystar or a Seastar over the mechanical No Feedback any day. Want to drive something that requires serious user input, I'll let you drive my 15_Rage. Jet boats have their own adaptation of mechanical steering helm, just for jets: 135° or 270° lock-to-lock.

Perry posted 01-02-2008 09:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Well, Santa put a new Baystar unit under the tree and I installed it on Monday. I ended up cutting the existing teleflex cable and tossing the old unit because I didn't feel like lifting the motor.

The install took me about 4 hours with only a few complications. I needed my 8 year old son to help me move the steering wheel back and forth when purging/bleeding the system.

I am very pleased with the improvement in the way the boat handles now. It is a night and day difference in steering compared to the old cable NFB system especially in rough water.

The unit cost me under $500 delivered from forum member Seabob. I highly recomend this upgrade for anyone with a 17 foot or larger Boston Whaler.

lakeman posted 01-04-2008 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for lakeman  Send Email to lakeman     
I hate to be the outside person here, but, IMHO.

It has been 20 years or so since I have not had hydraulic steering on my boats, it is wonderful if you really need it. However,it is not trouble free, if you can live with out hydraulic steering, you can save a lot of future aggravation and money in repairs with out it. If I were to sell my Dauntless and go to a simpler boat like the 170 Montauk, I would keep all mechanical things like the boat, simple.

L H G posted 01-04-2008 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
I am looking for a used Teleflex NFB helm in good working condition, complete with mounting bolts, wheel nut and key, but no cables. If you have removed yours, make me an offer I can't refuse.
Perry posted 01-04-2008 05:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Larry, if you cover the cost for shipping you can have it for free. Send me an E-mail with your address.
where2 posted 01-09-2008 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
Another satisfied customer... Glad to hear the install was as painless as I remembered.

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