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|Author||Topic: PWC Floats|
posted 10-15-2007 03:30 AM ET (US)
Does anyone use a PWC lift to keep their small BW out of the water. EZ Dock and Jet Dock make floating drive on lifts for PWC which have capacities of over 1500 lbs. This would hold a 15 or 17' Montuck. I want to keep my boat on some type of lift to keep it dry. Anyone have any experience here?
posted 10-15-2007 08:36 AM ET (US)
I currently use a Jet Dock for my 205 BW Conquest. I also used it for 5 years for a 16 foot Wahoo runabout prior to getting my Conquest. I would highly recommend the Jet Dock. They have a great website that may cover many of your questions and concerns - they also provide excellent customer service.
posted 10-15-2007 01:03 PM ET (US)
I have a 160 Dauntless and my neigbor has a 18 Dauntless. We float both boats with the jet dock system (jet float in Canada.) On smaller boats (13-feet) you may want to fill the last row or two with some water to make it easier to drive up on the dock.I bought four half docks to make it easier to drive on. The 18 is heavy enough, that the half docks are not needed. I could post a picture if reqested.
posted 10-15-2007 09:26 PM ET (US)
2360lbs of flotation under the bow end. Three 12" stoltz rollers under the boat. The rear end of the lift has 2400lbs of flotation under the transom which is air filled and can be vented to allow the transom end of the lift to sink into the water as if you backed your trailer into the water.
Firmly attached to a 30' long floating dock using heavy duty galvanized floating dock hardware, the lift itself is 18' long and 8' wide. The white color painted wood decking is cool to the feet even in the scorching South Florida summer sun. The lift handles my 15_Sport or my 15_Rage. The Rage is a little heavier than the sport, but has an advantage that the engine is inside the transom.
I'm considering building a 20'x8' lift utilizing a pair of the next larger size lift tanks which provide 2200lbs of air filled flotation each. Doubling my flotation under the rear of the lift would make lifting a Montauk easily attainable. The beauty of air filling is that I can stop filling them when the boat lift becomes level.
I'm nearing completion of the finish carpentry work on my 8'x30' floating dock. It's got 10,000lbs of flotation under it. I build serious stuff for my backyard whaler collection.
I looked at Jet Dock, EZ-Dock, and all the others (Miami International Boat Show). I finally custom built my own floating lift because of the design flaws I saw in everything "off the shelf" and their enormous prices.
posted 10-16-2007 10:18 AM ET (US)
I don't know if your docks are permanent or you remove them in the fall.The jet dock system can be broken into smaller sections and pulled on shore with a pick-up.Larger one piece docks usually need a crane,(or very stong backs).We store are docks on a 24 ft. trailer that was once a camping trailer. There is a ample supply of old trailers for cheap and even free.The one I picked up just needed a coat of paint, the tires were like new.
posted 10-16-2007 10:44 PM ET (US)
This is a new one I just heard about. It looks like it might do a pretty good job of guiding and supporting your craft during the launching and recovery phase.
posted 10-17-2007 09:02 AM ET (US)
I was wondering how sosmerc damaged his boat. If the center float is eleminated the boat should find the center of the dock. I can idle in gear at my dock and the boat will remain there.You may want to install some half sections at the end of your dock to let the boat lift up. I know that if you use the full blocks on a lighter boat it may bring your bow up very high before the boat drops on the dock.This was a problem with my 13 Dauntless and Even a slight amount with my 160 Dauntless.I have also seen a Montauk on a floater with pcv pipe on either side to guide the boat straight.The docks are made of polyethylene and if configured correctly, the boat should slide easily.If there is alot of resistance on approach,try a different set up.The bulzeye system looks good, it's seems a little less portable.(It is also blow molded polyethylene.)
posted 10-17-2007 11:35 AM ET (US)
My Jetdock came with a flat plate down the center called a "wearplate" and it was designed for Whalers. Long story, but in the beginning it was not installed in the correct position and my keel got damaged. So I had my bottom repaired and then added a Keelguard for added protection. With the wearplate now in the correct location, the boat still was hard to keep straight. So, we added some tubes down the center (these tubes were not considered necessary on 18ft. and smaller models, but when asked for, they did provide them to me at no cost).
They do help center the boat once you "get up" on the dock...but it is still a bit scary coming on.
To be honest, I am considering mounting a strong powerwinch and just using that to bring my boat up at a nice slow controlled speed.
Also, I have noticed considerable "scratching" on my bottom where the boat slides across the tubes. I clean my tubes prior to every attempt to load. I now even apply wax to them. I am very particular about my boat and the damage and scratching makes me pretty unhappy about the whole situation.
But, it sure is nice once the boat is up on the dock. There is enough width for me to easily walk along the sides, and with access to fresh water, it's easy to keep the boat clean...even the bottom.
And when the boat is off the dock...we are able to use the added area of the dock to keep our other toys on (kayaks, etc). I'd probably keep the Jetdock even if I got rid of my boat!
I just wish it was engineered for easier loading. Launching is very easy, though I keep my engine tilted all the way up in the trailer position during launching as the motor gets WAY too deep and this could be VERY harmful to your outboard as it can "snorkel" water into the lower cylinders. I start the engine on the dock and warm it up.
Then shut it off and tilt it up and launch. Then when I put it down I know it is going to run.
I sent an email to the Bulzeye folks requesting that they look into adapting their "fingers" to the rear of a jetdock. (just for guiding purposes) I think there could be a good market for such a product.
posted 10-17-2007 11:40 AM ET (US)
falcon...you commented that the bulzeye fingers are blow molded polyethylene. Is this good or bad?
posted 10-17-2007 02:59 PM ET (US)
sosmerc, polyethylene is used to blow mold the docks since it is natually slippery. ( the same material used on coolers).The idea of adding a few of the bulzeye to your existing dock is a good idea, but up here in Canada the company Jet Float sells half thickness cubes that helps in landing the boat without the "wheelie" effect.If bulzeye did sell small sections they could easily be adapted to fit the location 'eyes' on the jet dock.When I launch my boat, I let it warm up , tilt the motor down all the way, give it a shot of throttle, and as the boat begins to break loose, I back off the throttle, and quickly tilt the motor up.As the boat slides into the water and becomes level I tilt the motor back to the neutral position and drive away. The polyethylene is a good material since it also is softer than your hull. The scatching is probably caused by grit imbedded in the dock from the weight of the boat,as if you were trying to polish with a dirty rag and had 1000 pounds of arm strength. Fresh water on the dock prior to launch may make the grit less abasive on your hull.I also clean my boat often, and I guess a few minor abrasions that can be buffed out is the trade-off.(beats river scum).Permanent docks are not an option were I am located near lake Huron.
posted 10-17-2007 03:05 PM ET (US)
sosmerc,an added thought, I think the tubes that jet dock uses are pvc pipe which is harder than the docks.This is the cause of the scratching.
posted 10-18-2007 02:11 AM ET (US)
Thanks this is very helpful. I particularly like the comments on the Jet Dock.
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