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New 15 Montauk
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posted 10-26-2007 05:08 PM ET (US)
I'm considering a new 15 Montauk and I have a few questions for those of you who own newer 15 Montauks.
How stable is the boat at rest? Especially with one 200lb adult moving around the boat or leaning over the side. I would be downsizing from my current 21' center console, so this is the reason for many of my questions.
Would you get the baitwell or does it take up too much space behind the seat. I was thinking that it provides some space between the rigging/engine and the cockpit and that might be a good thing and also be another place to sit and store stuff when not being used.
How is the stock galvinized trailer? I have minimum space and need to get the swing tongue.
Do you ever use the boat with 4-5 people onboard or is that really not practical.
Is there anything you don't like or would change about the boat/motor/trailer.
posted 10-26-2007 07:32 PM ET (US)
I had an 06 150 Montauk and I am in the process of getting an 08 170 Montauk. I loved the boat but wanted a little more room and when the 170 got the livewell option for 08 I made the decision to trade the 150 for the 170. I had both the bow rail and the livewell. I didnt find the rails too high, actually the bow provided a place to sit or lean while fishing. The livewell was a must for me. It provdied additional casting area as well as a nice storage spot behind it. I have had as many as four adults and three small kids on it. I found with one adult and two small-medium sized kids was fine, more than that it was weighed down and much slower. I never really had any stability issues. While fishing with three adults and the two kids, we would have to balance out where people were standing once in a while but I didnt find it terribly anyoying or problematic. Overall, it was failry stable for a 15 footer and we really enjoyed it. It also was very easy to trailer and stored easily in a standard garage. Hope this helps.
posted 10-26-2007 07:36 PM ET (US)
EDITED - TWO adults and two kids seemed like a perfect match, more than that the boat was slower and a little less stable but definately not alarmingly so.
I had an 06 150 Montauk and I am in the process of getting an 08 170 Montauk. I loved the boat but wanted a little more room and when the 170 got the livewell option for 08 I made the decision to trade the 150 for the 170. I had both the bow rail and the livewell. I didnt find the rails too high, actually the bow provided a place to sit or lean while fishing. The livewell was a must for me. It provdied additional casting area as well as a nice storage spot behind it. I have had as many as four adults and three small kids on it. I found with TWO adults and two small-medium sized kids was fine, more than that it was weighed down and much slower. I never really had any stability issues. While fishing with three adults and the two kids, we would have to balance out where people were standing once in a while but I didnt find it terribly anyoying or problematic. Overall, it was failry stable for a 15 footer and we really enjoyed it. It also was very easy to trailer and stored easily in a standard garage. Hope this helps.
posted 10-26-2007 09:45 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the information. Very helpful. The 17 would be my first choice too but room in my garage is limited. It would fit lengthwise (I was told 19'6") but the dealer gave me a height measurement of 86" and I only have 80" to the top of my garage door.
I just don't want to regret getting the 15, I hope the fact that it will be so economical, and easy to handle and trailer will make up the room shortage. I'm going to try to ride and get in as many boats this size to see if it will be an issue for me. The livewell looks really nice and well designed in both models.
I'm also considering other dual consoles at 17' that would fit lengthwise and not be nearly as high.
posted 10-27-2007 08:51 AM ET (US)
Don't forget to take a look at the small EdgeWaters. They are really nice too.
posted 10-27-2007 09:27 AM ET (US)
I have a 150 Sport and would reccomend the 170 with more than two people.
Also you might inquire at the dealer about getting a trailer with a torsion axle to lower the trailer height. I would see how much the boat trailer can be lowered and go for a folding tongue to make the 170 fit in your garage. I think the 150 will be too small and to slow and with three men it is hard to plane.
posted 10-27-2007 11:23 AM ET (US)
If the 17 is your 1st choice get the 17. You can't store the boat in your drive way. I fished one day on the 15 and considered buying it. Thank god I purchased the 17
posted 10-27-2007 11:24 AM ET (US)
If the 17 is your 1st choice get the 17. Can't store the boat in your driveway? I fished one day on the 15 and considered buying it. Thank god I purchased the 17
posted 10-27-2007 07:11 PM ET (US)
I would double check the height on the 170. I think the dealer may have it right for the 08. Last year, there should have only been about 1-2 inch difference, but with the new 08 170 having a 4 inch increase in console height, I could see the difference now being more like 6 inches. The comment about the torsion axle trailer is a good one. The 170 does have an aluminum trailer with torsion axle option - I would ask how much that may lower the boat on the trailer. One other option may be to raise your threshhold for the garage doors if you have the room to do so. We are in the process of doing that because we are rasing the garage floor by 4 inches to stop water from coming in. Again, I loved my 150 and found it fine with 2 adults and 2 kids or 3 adults. Good luck with your choice.
posted 10-27-2007 11:38 PM ET (US)
one thing to remember about the 17 vs. the 15 is that the 15 is 15'5" LOA and 6'6" beam. The 17 is 17' and 6'10" beam. The hull is the same. You are not gaining much in boat. I have a 150 Sport and can seat six and motor no problem. It is a stable, dry boat. I would bet the 17 would be similar. If I were to upgrade it would be to the 19. It wouldn't be worth it to change from the 15 to the 17. If you can afford it get the 19. If you wanna save space/money get the 15. If you want to spend a little more than the 15, buy the 17. How is that for decisive?
posted 10-28-2007 07:54 AM ET (US)
Good points about the seemingy slight edges of the 17 over the 15; but, honsestly, I was surprised at how much biggest the 17 felt. The freeboard is also taller but it just felt bigger by more than 1.5 feet in lengthy and 4 inches wide. Being heavier, it should also handle slightly better in choppy waters. I loved the 19 but for us it was just too much boat, especially because our tow vehicle couldnt handle the weight and I wanted a more shallow draft. Any of the three are great depending on particular circumstances.
posted 10-28-2007 12:01 PM ET (US)
You might want to consider whether lowering the tongue to the floor will change the clearance enough to roll the boat into the garage. It would be easy to check and may solve some problems for you.
Also the larger motor on the 170 will allow it to perform much better than the 150.
posted 10-28-2007 09:24 PM ET (US)
A boat in the driveway is a HOA no-no. I wish I was back in my old Florida neighborhood where a boat in the driveway was a good thing! My intent is really to downsize and I think coming from what I have now both boats will seem small, especially at first. I had a 17' Mako in the 80's and it never seemed that small with three or four. I went to a local dealer last year before they stopped carrying BW and saw the 16' Dauntless and thought it was kind of small but I liked the boat (well, everything except the price:) should probably have jumped on one of those leftover models then.
Thanks for all of the proposed work-arounds for the 17. I wish I had a local dealer that I could go to and get some measurements first hand. It's hard doing this stuff over the phone and you get the feeling that these guys don't really care if they get you accurate information, they just want to get you into a boat.
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posted 10-28-2007 10:17 PM ET (US)
When considering a boat fitting in a garage, you need to take the boat LOA and then add about 2' for the motor and 2-4 ft for the tongue. A 17' boat is really 21-23 ft.
While the height can be an issue, you can remove the windshield and modify the console rail. A member did this on a 190.
I took a cruise on a 2006 150 with three adults and it felt cramped. The boat was a bit sluggish as well
posted 11-01-2007 03:18 PM ET (US)
I own a 2007 150 Montauk and I am very satisfied with its' overall performance. I did not get the factory installed baitwell but had BW keep the factory baitwell plumbing. I had the dealer put in a Kodiak bait tank using the installed plumbing. This gave me more bait capacity and significantly opened up the stern deckspace making the boat feel much larger. I also had a engine mount trolling motor installed with the battery and control cables going through the rigging tube so that the throttle is mounted on the center console. This gave me a trolling motor without using any deck space and the need to pull the motor up and down. The engine mount motor works very well except in extremly choppy water when cavitation does occur. I mostly fish with one other adult but have fished with three adults without difficulty. Having the stern open to the transom makes a big difference. I live in Southern California and mostly fish the harbors and near offshore. With the 60hp Merc 4 stroke I did not feel the boat was under powered with 3 adults. For the most part the ocean conditions dictated traveling at less than possible speed anyway. The boat is very stable with 3 and I never uneasy with 3 adults no matter where we were locted on the boat. I purchased a custom trailer because the factory model was too wide for my storage space. Anyway, that's my input. Good Luck
posted 11-19-2007 12:13 PM ET (US)
Thanks to all for the input.
Not that it matters to you guys but I've looked at the 15 and it's just too small for my needs and doesn't have many of the features that I want especially at that price point. The 17's size and price are a sticking point for me, I know I won't be winning any friends here when I say that after looking at the BW 17 and some other 17's I don't see the BW as that much of a value (best overall quality and good resale value or not) but that's just me. I do see the value in maybe trying to find a used Whaler. It does seem that there are only a handfull of quality boats in this size range that have the features that I want so I won't have too many choices. Who knows, maybe I'll come back to the Whaler at some point.
posted 11-19-2007 01:21 PM ET (US)
I think you'll see a lot of value in the 17 if you buy used. Thats what I did.
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