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boatdryver posted 11-19-2007 01:59 PM ET (US)
We are now in the second model year for the Boston Whaler 190 MONTAUK and there are a few owners of 2007's and 2008's now contributing to this site.
What is your experience so far with the need for trim tabs or Doel-fins to control porpoising or to bring the bow down for mid-speed range running?
Thanks, JimL
Whalerdog posted 11-20-2007 07:14 AM ET (US)
I see no need for it. I have run my boat in all types of water up to 6-7 feet.
wood duck posted 11-20-2007 09:20 PM ET (US)
Absolutely no need for either. Porpoising or bringing the bow down at any speed is not a problem. I own a 2008 190 Montauk with a 135 Verado. I cannot speak for the earlier models with the 115.
Jack C posted 11-20-2007 11:00 PM ET (US)
I've been following 19 Montauk Reviews on this site for a long time. I'm pondering several new boats and the 19 Montauk is one of them. With the 135 what kind of fuel mileage are you getting?
General comments on the boat are also appreciated. I use my boats for fishing (Long Island Sound). The only issue I have with this boat is the lack of "shelter". My present boat has a T-top. Has anyone added a T-top or come up with a way to keep the spray off the counsel. BW is missing a huge market by not coming up with some kind of shelter for this boat (even if it was simple canvas). I realize the idea is to upgrade to an outrage but that boat has more features than I need or use.
I plan on getting a ride in the early spring this year and I'm just looking for more comments.
Ride quality in rough stuff (2-3 footers for a few miles?) Drifting through rip lines while fishing?
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Jack
sheikofthesea posted 11-21-2007 08:33 AM ET (US)
I have had the 190 for one year. 115 fourstroke MERC. Fish Western LI Sound and the East River.
I don't really see the need for trim tabs. Many times I have been the only boat on the water during small craft advisories and have had a blast fishing. The really wide beam and weight keep it on balance and the engine is enough to drive the bow down in a 2-3 foot chop.Drifting is fine because of the wide beam as well. You would think it would be a little cumbersome in curves but it is pretty smooth there as well. The room to maneuver on this sucker is outrageously good.I have the bimini top which gives you some protection but not on the move. AS a die hard fisherman I just have good rain gear. Perfect boat for my needs on the the SOund.

K Albus posted 11-21-2007 03:32 PM ET (US)
Jack C,
Any good canvas shop can make a weather protection system for any Whaler, like the one pictured here: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/V20Outrage/images/ OutrageV20Canvas768x480.jpg
I recently got quotes for a similar system for my 180 Dauntless, and all of the quotes were in the $1,500 to $2,000 range.
Jack C posted 11-21-2007 03:56 PM ET (US)
Hello to all. Thanks for the responses to me asking questions on the 19 Montauk. My comment is really related more to BW marketing. If you look at the Pacific Pilot Houses that are after market I think you can get my point. It would be nice to leave the dealer with a complete package (and not need to visit a canvas shop or a welding shop). Up in New England (I'm still fishing) - some protection from the elements behind the wheel is nice). Full throttle at temps below freezing is not nice - through some sea spray into the equation and its even worse.
I'm still very interested in this rig and the continuing dialouge on it. How have engine performance been on the 115 and 135 - any issues. My precious mercs have been fine, been running Johnson/Evinrude for years due to dealer support to my local area - Mercury in my case would also have dealer support (Birbarie in CT).
Thanks again and Happy Thanksgiving.
Jack
Whalerdog posted 11-23-2007 04:53 PM ET (US)
After getting the boat in Aug I put about 80 hours on it with the 115. Fuel economy has been good IMHO. Boat is solid. I don't do any fishing I just ride around and explore. I have really tested the boat in rough water usually in Jones Inlet. You never get sprayed unless it is real windy like 30 MPH. I checked the boat when I pulled it and the transom was as new. I go in the inlet when it is rough and just drift and eat a snack. The boat gets some good air coming off some following seas which are big 6-7'. I raced different size Skaters from 24-40' for 15 years. The 19 is really a unbelievable rough water boat. Bow stays level and the boat just goes forward. I can get it to stand-up in real big waves. It is just about impossible to stuff the bow. Never though I would like the 4-stroke but it has been great.
Jack C posted 11-23-2007 06:52 PM ET (US)
Whalerdog - thanks for the wild feedback. I have the "new boat bug" and I'm struggling with what I want. I've been trying to downsize my life a bit in relation to fuel costs, present boat is a 21 (not a whaler) - but in reality my needs are very simple. Stable platform to fish from, low maintenance, reliable, able to "age" well. (sounds like a whaler)...
I'll bug my local dealer for a ride during boat show season. I think they sold the one 19 they had in stock in early spring and they never called me for my ride.
I have also pondered some other boats that will take much more maintenance (small parker sport cabin) - much different style boat and also nice, no where as simple as the 19 montauk. (As one of my buddies likes to say "you like to rough it").. (He has a Regulator and a Carolina Classic).
I just need to get a little protection from the elments around that CC (which I will explore during the winter months).
Thanks agin - Jack
Whalerdog posted 11-24-2007 06:20 PM ET (US)
Let me know what you find I may want a small shelter for the dog next year from the sun. Just a great durable boat. I didn't want to wait for 08 and 135 but it probably better for cruising or if you travel with 4 people. The 115 is great also. I will total my gas bills and divide by hours soon. I was happy with the burn.
Jack C posted 11-24-2007 10:28 PM ET (US)
I'll be chatting with a few local fabricators on options - I'll let you know what they come up with.
135 versus 115 - test ride needed. On occasion I will have 4 anglers, most of the time 2 or 3. (See the need for the 135).
Thanks - Jack
Whalerdog posted 11-25-2007 06:59 PM ET (US)
go 135 it has no downsides

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Author	Topic: 190 Montauk: Trim Tabs or Fin
boatdryver	posted 11-19-2007 01:59 PM ET (US) We are now in the second model year for the Boston Whaler 190 MONTAUK and there are a few owners of 2007's and 2008's now contributing to this site. What is your experience so far with the need for trim tabs or Doel-fins to control porpoising or to bring the bow down for mid-speed range running? Thanks, JimL
Whalerdog	posted 11-20-2007 07:14 AM ET (US) I see no need for it. I have run my boat in all types of water up to 6-7 feet.
wood duck	posted 11-20-2007 09:20 PM ET (US) Absolutely no need for either. Porpoising or bringing the bow down at any speed is not a problem. I own a 2008 190 Montauk with a 135 Verado. I cannot speak for the earlier models with the 115.
Jack C	posted 11-20-2007 11:00 PM ET (US) I've been following 19 Montauk Reviews on this site for a long time. I'm pondering several new boats and the 19 Montauk is one of them. With the 135 what kind of fuel mileage are you getting? General comments on the boat are also appreciated. I use my boats for fishing (Long Island Sound). The only issue I have with this boat is the lack of "shelter". My present boat has a T-top. Has anyone added a T-top or come up with a way to keep the spray off the counsel. BW is missing a huge market by not coming up with some kind of shelter for this boat (even if it was simple canvas). I realize the idea is to upgrade to an outrage but that boat has more features than I need or use. I plan on getting a ride in the early spring this year and I'm just looking for more comments. Ride quality in rough stuff (2-3 footers for a few miles?) Drifting through rip lines while fishing? Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving to all. Jack
sheikofthesea	posted 11-21-2007 08:33 AM ET (US) I have had the 190 for one year. 115 fourstroke MERC. Fish Western LI Sound and the East River. I don't really see the need for trim tabs. Many times I have been the only boat on the water during small craft advisories and have had a blast fishing. The really wide beam and weight keep it on balance and the engine is enough to drive the bow down in a 2-3 foot chop.Drifting is fine because of the wide beam as well. You would think it would be a little cumbersome in curves but it is pretty smooth there as well. The room to maneuver on this sucker is outrageously good.I have the bimini top which gives you some protection but not on the move. AS a die hard fisherman I just have good rain gear. Perfect boat for my needs on the the SOund.
K Albus	posted 11-21-2007 03:32 PM ET (US) Jack C, Any good canvas shop can make a weather protection system for any Whaler, like the one pictured here: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/V20Outrage/images/ OutrageV20Canvas768x480.jpg I recently got quotes for a similar system for my 180 Dauntless, and all of the quotes were in the $1,500 to $2,000 range.
Jack C	posted 11-21-2007 03:56 PM ET (US) Hello to all. Thanks for the responses to me asking questions on the 19 Montauk. My comment is really related more to BW marketing. If you look at the Pacific Pilot Houses that are after market I think you can get my point. It would be nice to leave the dealer with a complete package (and not need to visit a canvas shop or a welding shop). Up in New England (I'm still fishing) - some protection from the elements behind the wheel is nice). Full throttle at temps below freezing is not nice - through some sea spray into the equation and its even worse. I'm still very interested in this rig and the continuing dialouge on it. How have engine performance been on the 115 and 135 - any issues. My precious mercs have been fine, been running Johnson/Evinrude for years due to dealer support to my local area - Mercury in my case would also have dealer support (Birbarie in CT). Thanks again and Happy Thanksgiving. Jack
Whalerdog	posted 11-23-2007 04:53 PM ET (US) After getting the boat in Aug I put about 80 hours on it with the 115. Fuel economy has been good IMHO. Boat is solid. I don't do any fishing I just ride around and explore. I have really tested the boat in rough water usually in Jones Inlet. You never get sprayed unless it is real windy like 30 MPH. I checked the boat when I pulled it and the transom was as new. I go in the inlet when it is rough and just drift and eat a snack. The boat gets some good air coming off some following seas which are big 6-7'. I raced different size Skaters from 24-40' for 15 years. The 19 is really a unbelievable rough water boat. Bow stays level and the boat just goes forward. I can get it to stand-up in real big waves. It is just about impossible to stuff the bow. Never though I would like the 4-stroke but it has been great.
Jack C	posted 11-23-2007 06:52 PM ET (US) Whalerdog - thanks for the wild feedback. I have the "new boat bug" and I'm struggling with what I want. I've been trying to downsize my life a bit in relation to fuel costs, present boat is a 21 (not a whaler) - but in reality my needs are very simple. Stable platform to fish from, low maintenance, reliable, able to "age" well. (sounds like a whaler)... I'll bug my local dealer for a ride during boat show season. I think they sold the one 19 they had in stock in early spring and they never called me for my ride. I have also pondered some other boats that will take much more maintenance (small parker sport cabin) - much different style boat and also nice, no where as simple as the 19 montauk. (As one of my buddies likes to say "you like to rough it").. (He has a Regulator and a Carolina Classic). I just need to get a little protection from the elments around that CC (which I will explore during the winter months). Thanks agin - Jack
Whalerdog	posted 11-24-2007 06:20 PM ET (US) Let me know what you find I may want a small shelter for the dog next year from the sun. Just a great durable boat. I didn't want to wait for 08 and 135 but it probably better for cruising or if you travel with 4 people. The 115 is great also. I will total my gas bills and divide by hours soon. I was happy with the burn.
Jack C	posted 11-24-2007 10:28 PM ET (US) I'll be chatting with a few local fabricators on options - I'll let you know what they come up with. 135 versus 115 - test ride needed. On occasion I will have 4 anglers, most of the time 2 or 3. (See the need for the 135). Thanks - Jack
Whalerdog	posted 11-25-2007 06:59 PM ET (US) go 135 it has no downsides