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boatdryver posted 12-02-2007 11:31 AM ET (US)
I looked at a new one at a dealer yesterday and noticed that there is a gasket between the lower edge of the helm seat and the deck with no outlet for water, and no ventilation of the storage space there.
how is accumulated rainwater supposed to drain out of this area? Won't there be a big mildew problem for items stored there?
JimL
highanddry posted 12-02-2007 12:57 PM ET (US)
I believe you are incorrect, there is no seal around the base of the helm seat which of course serves as a the bait well when equipped as such or for storage when not. The structure is one piece with the center deck. I believe there will be drain holes into the bilge.
boatdryver posted 12-02-2007 02:09 PM ET (US)
Nope, H & D. I was there yesterday. I think you may have the 190 Outrage or Nantucket, is that right?
In the 190 Montauk I saw the livewell is moulded into the transom area midships foreward of the motorwell, like the 170 Montauk. I'd like it better if it was part of the helm seat like the optional arrangement on the Outrages and Dauntlesses- easier to get at in the chop.
The Helm seat assembly is fastened to the deck with aluminum angle brackets and stainless screws. I can see rainwater getting in there from the access hatch above. That's why I was wondering about it.
JimL
highanddry posted 12-02-2007 08:13 PM ET (US)
Hard to see that in photos, there must be some ventilation holes or something.
Whalerdog posted 12-03-2007 06:55 AM ET (US)
You just have the small gap on the bottom. I had a bag in there with safety equipment stored there. It does get a bit funky in there. You need to clean it every few weeks.
Whaler_Jack posted 12-03-2007 07:55 AM ET (US)
Yes! you are correct about moisture and no drain and it is a problem. I keep my boat in a storage unit and have to the raise the helm seat and remove most of the equipment or it begin to meldew here in Houston. Though meldew is a problem regardless. When I do leave it out water finds in way under the seat. I have not solved the problem yet, other than keep it stored inside!! Maybe a seat cover might work?
Jack
boatdryver posted 12-03-2007 10:10 AM ET (US)
I think a seat cover would minimize the amount of rain water that gets in to that space from above. Then one could hang a droplight into that space and leave the hatch cover open, if your storage space has power.
Caulking around the gasket at the bottom, it there is a caulk that would stick to the gasket, would reduce the amount of water running down the cockpit floor from entering the space.
Or one could just give up and cut a couple of gaps in the aft part of the gasket to let the water drain aft.
One could also put in a few layers of Dri-deck to elevate the contents above the water, but you'd still have the mildew problem.
That space needs to be ventilated like the console, to reduce mildew.
That is such a nice large storage space, and its a shame to have this problem.
The smaller Montauks all have fuel tanks under their seats so the seat assembly can't go all the way to the deck to provide any storage at all.
The way they attach the 190 Montauk seat assembly to the deck is so crude and Baylineresque it is disappointing. If enough owners raise objections maybe they will come up with a better configuration, including ventilation and raising the whole thing off the deck and putting in a bottom with drain holes.
There are 4 or 5 190 Montauk owners here. what have the rest of you folks experienced?
I'm strongly attracted to the 190 Montauk for my next whaler.
JimL
wood duck posted 12-06-2007 08:58 PM ET (US)
You are correct. Moisture does develop in the storage area. Unfortunately, I have learned to be selective on what I store there. So much space....I am disappointed. Otherwise, I am very pleased with the entire pkg. and glad I chose the 135 with Smartcraft.
sheikofthesea posted 12-07-2007 10:18 AM ET (US)
The storage space under the seat does get moist and mildewy, but there is a lot of room in there. I store an extra anchor in there, a big dry bag, a waterproof tool bag, my throw life preserver and a day bag that I bring on and off board with towels or whatever. I first noticed the mildew issue when all my baseball caps got soused and my red BW bag with all my papers got fouled.

The boat is tremendous. After having it for one year the only other issues that have come up have been the lever arm for the livewell broke and the shift mechanism got a little loose and I had to tighten it.
Otherwise the boat led to my single greatest season of boating and fishing ever!
wood duck posted 12-07-2007 11:55 AM ET (US)
Lever arm/piston on my 190 baitwell broke as well...twice. The first time, the bracket attachment screws were too short and backed out. The Dealer replaced with longer screws. Then, it could not be positioned properly and kept popping out of the ball socket. I asked the Dealer to remove the lever arm and to fill in the screw holes and sand and glaze. I don't need the arm, I can rest the cover against the motor if I want it to remain open.
Mambo Minnow posted 12-07-2007 12:52 PM ET (US)
I was disappointed in fit and finish on Montauk 190 that I walked on.
In particular, there is a caulk seam along the inner hull liner, on the aft quarters running from the gunwale to the deck. It almost looks like the stern portion of the inner hull liner is a separate piece assembled into the hull. I have never seen this on any of the other center console models, so I am not sure why it is needed assembling the boat.
boatdryver posted 12-07-2007 07:49 PM ET (US)
I didn't look closely enough during my test ride to notice this seam.
The livewell on these is moulded into the motorwell area. I wonder if they have a two part hull liner so only the aft part has to be moulded in two versions, one with and one without the livewell.
what do you owners think?
JimL

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Author	Topic: 190 Montauk; drainage of helm seat
boatdryver	posted 12-02-2007 11:31 AM ET (US) I looked at a new one at a dealer yesterday and noticed that there is a gasket between the lower edge of the helm seat and the deck with no outlet for water, and no ventilation of the storage space there. how is accumulated rainwater supposed to drain out of this area? Won't there be a big mildew problem for items stored there? JimL
highanddry	posted 12-02-2007 12:57 PM ET (US) I believe you are incorrect, there is no seal around the base of the helm seat which of course serves as a the bait well when equipped as such or for storage when not. The structure is one piece with the center deck. I believe there will be drain holes into the bilge.
boatdryver	posted 12-02-2007 02:09 PM ET (US) Nope, H & D. I was there yesterday. I think you may have the 190 Outrage or Nantucket, is that right? In the 190 Montauk I saw the livewell is moulded into the transom area midships foreward of the motorwell, like the 170 Montauk. I'd like it better if it was part of the helm seat like the optional arrangement on the Outrages and Dauntlesses- easier to get at in the chop. The Helm seat assembly is fastened to the deck with aluminum angle brackets and stainless screws. I can see rainwater getting in there from the access hatch above. That's why I was wondering about it. JimL
highanddry	posted 12-02-2007 08:13 PM ET (US) Hard to see that in photos, there must be some ventilation holes or something.
Whalerdog	posted 12-03-2007 06:55 AM ET (US) You just have the small gap on the bottom. I had a bag in there with safety equipment stored there. It does get a bit funky in there. You need to clean it every few weeks.
Whaler_Jack	posted 12-03-2007 07:55 AM ET (US) Yes! you are correct about moisture and no drain and it is a problem. I keep my boat in a storage unit and have to the raise the helm seat and remove most of the equipment or it begin to meldew here in Houston. Though meldew is a problem regardless. When I do leave it out water finds in way under the seat. I have not solved the problem yet, other than keep it stored inside!! Maybe a seat cover might work? Jack
boatdryver	posted 12-03-2007 10:10 AM ET (US) I think a seat cover would minimize the amount of rain water that gets in to that space from above. Then one could hang a droplight into that space and leave the hatch cover open, if your storage space has power. Caulking around the gasket at the bottom, it there is a caulk that would stick to the gasket, would reduce the amount of water running down the cockpit floor from entering the space. Or one could just give up and cut a couple of gaps in the aft part of the gasket to let the water drain aft. One could also put in a few layers of Dri-deck to elevate the contents above the water, but you'd still have the mildew problem. That space needs to be ventilated like the console, to reduce mildew. That is such a nice large storage space, and its a shame to have this problem. The smaller Montauks all have fuel tanks under their seats so the seat assembly can't go all the way to the deck to provide any storage at all. The way they attach the 190 Montauk seat assembly to the deck is so crude and Baylineresque it is disappointing. If enough owners raise objections maybe they will come up with a better configuration, including ventilation and raising the whole thing off the deck and putting in a bottom with drain holes. There are 4 or 5 190 Montauk owners here. what have the rest of you folks experienced? I'm strongly attracted to the 190 Montauk for my next whaler. JimL
wood duck	posted 12-06-2007 08:58 PM ET (US) You are correct. Moisture does develop in the storage area. Unfortunately, I have learned to be selective on what I store there. So much space....I am disappointed. Otherwise, I am very pleased with the entire pkg. and glad I chose the 135 with Smartcraft.
sheikofthesea	posted 12-07-2007 10:18 AM ET (US) The storage space under the seat does get moist and mildewy, but there is a lot of room in there. I store an extra anchor in there, a big dry bag, a waterproof tool bag, my throw life preserver and a day bag that I bring on and off board with towels or whatever. I first noticed the mildew issue when all my baseball caps got soused and my red BW bag with all my papers got fouled. The boat is tremendous. After having it for one year the only other issues that have come up have been the lever arm for the livewell broke and the shift mechanism got a little loose and I had to tighten it. Otherwise the boat led to my single greatest season of boating and fishing ever!
wood duck	posted 12-07-2007 11:55 AM ET (US) Lever arm/piston on my 190 baitwell broke as well...twice. The first time, the bracket attachment screws were too short and backed out. The Dealer replaced with longer screws. Then, it could not be positioned properly and kept popping out of the ball socket. I asked the Dealer to remove the lever arm and to fill in the screw holes and sand and glaze. I don't need the arm, I can rest the cover against the motor if I want it to remain open.
Mambo Minnow	posted 12-07-2007 12:52 PM ET (US) I was disappointed in fit and finish on Montauk 190 that I walked on. In particular, there is a caulk seam along the inner hull liner, on the aft quarters running from the gunwale to the deck. It almost looks like the stern portion of the inner hull liner is a separate piece assembled into the hull. I have never seen this on any of the other center console models, so I am not sure why it is needed assembling the boat.
boatdryver	posted 12-07-2007 07:49 PM ET (US) I didn't look closely enough during my test ride to notice this seam. The livewell on these is moulded into the motorwell area. I wonder if they have a two part hull liner so only the aft part has to be moulded in two versions, one with and one without the livewell. what do you owners think? JimL