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190 Montauk 135 Verado Performance
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posted 12-16-2007 09:12 PM ET (US)
[The Boston Whaler website now has a performance report for the 190 MONTAUK which includes the 135-HP Verado outboard. There report is located at http://bostonwhaler.com/rec/pdfs/performance/23.pdf]
posted 12-17-2007 02:20 PM ET (US)
Very interesting indeed. It appears that the supercharger gains 17% more horsepower which results in 30% quicker time to plane and 10% higher top speed.
Both engines get their best cruising economy @3500 rpm, with the Verado going 10% faster and doing it with less noise.
Add the fact that the Verado comes with DTS I'd say it's a no brainer...I'd want the Verado (unless of coarse I could sneek on a 200 Optimax DTS :)
posted 12-17-2007 02:25 PM ET (US)
The Verado does cost you about 11% in fuel economy though at 3500 RPM cruise. (small price to pay for the substantial increase in overall performance and effortless fly by wire throttle and shift)
posted 12-18-2007 03:28 PM ET (US)
15% increase in price though (about $4,450)...ouch for 20hp.
posted 12-18-2007 04:17 PM ET (US)
I think you might get half of the surcharge back when you sell.
I've noticed the Nantuckets and 190 Outrages with 115 HP don't sell very quickly.
posted 12-18-2007 05:48 PM ET (US)
for me it was near 8,000 more for an 08 boat and 135. The second part was I would not have got the boat in beginning of August like I did. I was guessing 3-4 MPH so I could live with that. Then someone posted they were doing 48-49 and I was disappointed. Now I feel a bit better but if it 4,000 and no difference in wait time I would do a 135 in a heartbeat. I usually travel light with 2 onboard. My cruise speed is usually in 5000-5500 range so 135 would have kept the rpms down a bit. Then again I may just cruise faster.
posted 12-19-2007 12:03 AM ET (US)
The most interesting data that I have found so far in the report are the noise levels recorded for the two motors. The plain-jane "FourStroke" (or Veradito or L4NA) non-supercharged motor idles at 59-dB(A), while the Verado supercharged motor idles at 69-dB(A). That is quite a surprise! Ten decibels louder.
The general reputation of the Verado, which was established by the big six-cylinder models, is they are the absolute quietest of all outboards. We have seen some data that indicates the four-cylinder Verado motors are not as quiet, and this may be due to them not having as much sound control designed into them. But it is quite a shock that they are 10-dB louder than the non-supercharged model.
Now this difference is just at idle, and once the engine speed increases the differences are less, and at some speeds the non-supercharged motor is louder. We have also seen this trend--as engine speed increases they all tend to make about the same amount of noise or any differences become quite small.
posted 12-19-2007 09:43 AM ET (US)
The 135 Verado jumps the 190 Montauk quickly onto a plane even with 4 adults on board and 45 gallons of fuel. I found that the 115 struggled to move the boat with 4 adults on board and only 20 gallons of fuel. The DTS and Smartcraft gauges are well worth the price increase.
posted 12-19-2007 12:45 PM ET (US)
Wouldn't it be fun to have that boat with a 200 Verado? :)
(same weight, so why not!!)
posted 12-19-2007 01:20 PM ET (US)
I was very impressed with the quietness of the Veradito 90 HP on my friend's new 170. I guess the supercharger accounts for the 10 db on the larger models.
Certainly the quietness advantage of four strokes is a major selling point, but how far is it relevant? Once you increase speed to cruising or above, wind noise is going to limit the advantages. Idling in the no wake zone or trolling offshore is where it most comes into play.
posted 12-19-2007 04:25 PM ET (US)
"Idling in the no wake zone or trolling offshore is where it most comes into play."
all depends on where you live - many places of fla it takes an hour at idle to get out --and don't thing that's big boats - may 19's are back in dania, etc
posted 12-19-2007 05:14 PM ET (US)
It also depends a lot on how you use the boat. If you are up on plane most of the time, you also don't notice the stinky exhaust of the 2 stroke, and I agree the db levels are not much different.
If you do a lot of exploring at idle or near idle speeds with non boating friends on board seated aft, especially downwind, then the big reduction in noise and exhaust smell really becomes a factor and the added cost of the four stroke becomes more palatable.
posted 12-20-2007 03:34 PM ET (US)
I drove one when they first came out with full fuel and 3 big dudes and she popped on plane with the 115 and was remarkably fast. I think the $4400 might be worth it but for $4+k now you are getting into 190 Outrage territory in price. The nice thing about the Montauk is it is a value priced Whaler, adding the 135 starts making it expensive and I think a competitor's brand might look better, etc.
Years back(80's) I never understood a few things about whaler purchases. One was why somebody would cheap out and get a 70hp when a 90 was only a few hundred more and an 88spl was cheaper than the 70. Later(2000's) I wondered why anyone bought the 90 2 stroke when the 4 stroke was only about a grand more. But nowadays, $4400 is a steep raise in price and I don't really see it, for me of course. Maybe why I would not spend another $1000+ for the 140 Suzuki over the 115. Hindsight I am happy I did not. Now if the 135 was say $1500 or so more...I'd be all over it.
posted 12-20-2007 04:07 PM ET (US)
once again, I can guarantee you that tosgib or whatever his name is.... has never driven a verado..but has lots of opinions on it....
posted 12-20-2007 06:27 PM ET (US)
FYI, with the Verado 135 you also get the digital throttle system, Smartcraft and also hydraulic steering.
posted 12-20-2007 09:34 PM ET (US)
The Verado is more than just an engine. Combined with the DTS and Smartcraft it becomes a complete system different from any other outboard. I was hesitant at first to upgrade but it was well worth it. I think hydraulic steering alone would be at least $1,200.
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