posted 01-18-2008 10:43 AM ET (US)            

IMHO/ some dealerships have big overhead cost and if sales are down, and production is down they have to make the sales they generate more profitable.

Steve

posted 01-18-2008 05:40 PM ET (US)            

I always try to be a man of my word, and I promised I wouldn't say.

My advice:

1. Buy from a dealer you trust
2. If you want an 07 there are many deals around
3. Buy from a dealer that is into Whalers not "just a type of boat they sell"
4. 10% off is a nice place to start...

posted 01-19-2008 10:16 AM ET (US)            

I am looking at both of 19 ft models with the 135 Verado. It is much less expensive with the 115 but I have heard that the performance isnt anywhere close between the Verado and the EFI 115 Fourstroke.

posted 01-19-2008 04:51 PM ET (US)            

What we found was if we went with a 2007 - 115 VS 2008 - 135 we could save exactly $7,074.

We would have loved to have more power etc. etc., but for us it did not make financial sense.

Now that being said if the difference was less, more like $4,000 we would have gone with the 2008 with 135. (Rationalizing… $3,000 for the engine etc. and $1,000 for a newer year boat)

We went out today, it was beautiful 83 degrees and sunny, we boated totally inshore. We spent most of our time at 800 to 1,000 RPM's or so, and up on plain at 25 to 30 MPH, so we really didn't run at high speed and we really could not have gone any faster (inshore boating regulations, other boats etc.). Today help verify to us we made the proper decision.

On a side note everywhere we have gone we have turned heads. One guy on a 15 Montauk almost fell overboard trying to get a better look as we passed each other on ICW. At the dock it draws people; most comment "look at how much room there is on a 19' boat". We store our boat at an in - out storage marina. It took us over an hour to clean the boat, because of all the people wanting to talk.

posted 01-21-2008 11:35 AM ET (US)            

Either way the 190 Montauk is an awesome boat. I am certainly leaning that way. I have actually brought into consideration the 200 Dauntless and eliminated the 190 Outrage as an option. I will be buying soon and will be sure to post my experience.

I just want a 2008 with the 135 if I am buying now. Tell Nats to post and tell us how the boat buying goes at the Baltimore Show.

posted 01-21-2008 12:47 PM ET (US)            

I went to the show planning to buy a 190 Montauk but delayed a decision because of the boat show price for a 2008 with 135 Verado, swim platform, fishing package, and livewell of $37,995 including shipping and dealer prep before sales tax.

while shopping for a new Whaler I have been cross checking dealer pricing with the prices as shown on the Whaler web site, adding dealer charges such as freight and dealer prep to the factory prices for the boat in question plus options.

The "full retail" prices shown by the dealer have matched very closely those shown on the whaler web site for several models, but not the 190 Montauk. I keep getting a retail figure $5-6,000 lower for the 190 Montauk using the "build mine" section of the factory web site even after adding freight and dealer prep than what the dealer's price sheet shows as "full retail." The dealer's "sale price", while below their shown full retail price, is about what the factory shows as full retail.

I wonder if anyone else has noticed this. Do we have a situation like the auto business in which dealers add a premium above MSRP sticker price to newly introduced models which are in greater demand?

Or is the factory site pricing not accurate on the 190 Montauk only?

posted 01-21-2008 02:44 PM ET (US)            

I bought my Montauk 190 last spring and ran into the pricing discrepancy also, but it was in the $2000-3000 range. The dealer or salesman had an explanation in that it did not include dealer prep, freight, etc. He later told me that Marine Maxine got additional discount for freight, bimini and a few other items. Bottom line they had one on the lot and I think it's that whatever the traffic will bear. I basically paid list and got them to discount some add on things, radio, GPS, sun lounge, fuel filter, hobbs meter, etc. Good Luck!

posted 01-21-2008 02:46 PM ET (US)            

<The 2008 option only list the upgrade as arounf a 4000 dollar upgrade. How did you save 7000 on only the engine?>

<“What we found was if we went with a 2007 - 115 VS 2008 – 135 we could save exactly $7,074.”>

It was not just on the engine… it was between a 2007 – 115 vs 2008 – 135.

$4,436 difference between 115 vs 135
$1,389 difference between 2007 model year vs 2008 model year
$200 difference between 2007 shipping cost vs 2008 shipping cost
$1,049 better deal buying a 2007 leftover vs a 2008
$424.44 is 6% sales tax (on $7,074)

$7,498.44 difference

posted 01-21-2008 02:57 PM ET (US)            

From what I have seen in the past, it appears that Boston Whaler introduces a new model (version) boat at an attractive price for the first year then each year increase the price until they reach the profit margin they want.

So when all 07's are sold that price advantage will be gone.

posted 01-22-2008 10:18 AM ET (US)            

2008 base price $29,563

2007 base price $28,174

posted 01-22-2008 10:26 AM ET (US)            

quote:

"jimh posted 10-01-2007 09:11 AM ET (US)
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It seems odd that in a very poor new boat market that Boston Whaler dealers are selling at list prices plus tacked on fees. On the other hand, many boaters are moving to smaller boats, and there may be high demand for boats of this size.

If you look at the price history of most Boston Whaler models, the best time to buy them is when they are first introduced. After the initial introductory price, the price of particular models seems to creep upward. The smaller 170 MONTAUK is a good example. It started at $17,000 and is now about $25,000. That is quite an increase in the last five years. I would not be surprised to see the 190 MONTAUK follow a similar trend."
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posted 01-22-2008 11:19 AM ET (US)            

As a matter of fact...jimh's quote is what got us thinking about a 2007.

We really did not haggle with any dealers; we bought a leftover boat from a dealer that wanted to move it out of his inventory (he gave us the quote). I believe he was as happy about the sale as we were!

If I were in your shoes and the only price differences was the 135 up charge I would have definitely bought the 135.

posted 01-22-2008 02:47 PM ET (US)            

Again I think Steve made the same decision I would have in his shoes. I also think I would have bought the 135 if it was only a few grand more but $7k is a lot of ching for 20hp. The difference betwen 40 + 43-44mph is not a biggie either, if the 135 did about 50 I would rethink that as well.

posted 01-22-2008 03:40 PM ET (US)            

It appears wood duck got a 08 for a 07 price, that is a great deal and one heck of an achievement.

We just got a different deal at a different time and that’s all.