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jklaiber posted 01-21-2008 01:16 PM ET (US)   Profile for jklaiber   Send Email to jklaiber  
I am looking at a 2006 285 conquest that a dealer has left over. The boat is brand new and comes with all the warranties. Does anyone have comments about this boat. Resale, performance etc. The price seems good but not sure I want that big of boat with outboards. Any info you could provide would be great.
Thanks
Brian7son posted 01-21-2008 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
jklaiber,

I have the earlier version of that boat, a 1998. In size, the 98'is more comparable to a newer 305 (more of less). My buddy has the exact boat that you are looking at and he likes it. Regarding a "big of boat with outboards", I'd prefer them over a big boat with inboards all day long.

Just my personal opinion, but I'm an outboard man. I dont have to turn on the blowers before starting the motor or worry about all of the water intrusion issues when the inboard seals get older, etc. etc. If you look at a lot of the newer 30-34ft boats, Whaler, Grady White, etc. They all have outboards. You can access a lot more places on the water without running aground. It's nice to be able to tilt the engines up.

It's a nice boat. If it's an 06 left over and he gives you a great price and you get all of the warranties, enjoy it.
You should have some solid bargaining power, being that it's a leftover 06 and the 08's are out.

good luck,

Brian

20dauntless posted 01-21-2008 10:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless  Send Email to 20dauntless     
Do you plan on keeping the boat for a while? If so, getting the left over will save you some money. If you only are going to have it for a few years, potential buyers will recognize it as being older and will command a lower price. Just a thought...
Brian7son posted 01-22-2008 08:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Dauntless has a good point. If you plan to sell or trade it in a few years, you will probably take a big hit. However, the same goes if you buy a brand new rig and try to sell it in a year or 2. If you plan to keep it for a long time, you are in a “very” strong bargaining position.

I would go in there with print outs from traderonline, boats.com and other boat vendors with the prices of used 2006 285's and I would see how good of a deal that I could get on that new one. That dealer wants to sell that boat. You're just going to have to find out how anxious he is to get rid of it and just how good of a deal you can get.

Do your research and hit the dealer with a number that you are comfortable with. Start low, you can always go up a little.

Good luck,

Brian

jklaiber posted 01-22-2008 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for jklaiber  Send Email to jklaiber     
Thanks for the reponses. The dealer said I could have the boat for 120k, but I know he will do better then that. He has paid interest on it for two years and several deals have fallen through on the boat. I appreciate your comment on the outboards. I agree with you that outboards have some advantages over inboards, but the wife hates outboards because there is not a place to set on the back of the boat so I have a tough sell ahead of me. What do you think about the durability and longevity of outboards compared to the Inboards. I would think the 4 stroke outboards would be comparable to inboards but am not sure they have been around long enough to get good information.
Brian7son posted 01-22-2008 01:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
jklaiber,

RE: A place to sit on the back of the boat, I assume you are referring to a swim platform area, because the 285 has the large fold down bench seat inside the back of the transom. My wife loves the bench seat on mine.

RE: Outboards vs. Inboards. This is just my opinion based on my personal experience. For the past 9 years, I have owned only outboards. I have never owned an inboard. However, I have several friends that have boats with inboards. It seems to me that my friends with the inboards have a lot more issues and mechanical problems. Like I said, that's just based upon my experience with people that I know. Virtually all large offshore yachts use inboards and there are a lot of very good inboard engines. They are just not my preference on boats under 34 feet. As far as durability, I'm no expert, but I would venture to say with proper maintainence that they are probably very close. Of course, deisels are known to run forever with proper maintainence.

What type of power does the model that you are looking at have on it. I would guess twin 225 Verados?

Tohsgib posted 01-22-2008 02:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
No risers, manifolds, bellows, shift bellows, couplers, etc to maintain or wory about leakage and sinkage. I would say the outboards are much more reliable unless comparing to a fresh water cooled inboard. Outboards are way faster, able to trim, way less vibration, way less draft and better economy as well. Hence why most are coming out with OB powered 40' boats now. Only main downfall is if a BB inboard goes bad, it costs about 45k to replace. When a 225 Verado goes bad...probably gonna cost more. I think the 285 in June was about $170k so $120 sounds pretty darn good.
Tohsgib posted 01-22-2008 02:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
PS..I meant $5k to replace, not 45k.
jklaiber posted 01-23-2008 01:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for jklaiber  Send Email to jklaiber     
Yes, the boat has 225 Verado's on it. It also has the rear bench seat. Her complaint is that the motors are in the way and you can't relax on the swim platform. This boat would only be used in fresh water, so I see equal number of inboards, I/O's and outboards where I boat. Each has its pro's and con's when looking at them. I really like Tiara's 29 which they don't make anymore and would be about 50 to 75 k more if you could even find a new one. I am not sure I want to buy a new boat and spend this much money, but the fact that it is new and has all the warranties makes it very enticing. Just not sure I will get the use out of it to justify that amount of money.
Brian7son posted 01-23-2008 03:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
"Just not sure I will get the use out of it to justify that amount of money"

That my friend is the #1 issue/concern/problem for most guys/girls in the market for a vessel. It is a point that you will have to consider above all others. Think about it. It really doesnt matter if you steal the boat for $100K if you onlu end up using it 4 times a year.

I know lots of folks that became enamored with the idea of owning a nice boat. They take delivery, use it frequently in the 1st 6 months and then it sits. They pay insurance, monthly boat payments and storage fees while the boat just sits. Not to mention the $500 + that you will have to pay to gas the rig up.

You are smart to take that into consideration before you make your decision.

Example to think about: A good friend of mine has a 31 Cabo Express. He does not use it to cruise around the river in. His main passion is deep sea fishing. If he's lucky, he gets to go offshore maybe 8-10 times a year. When he goes he has to gas up about $800-$1000.00 and buy beer/bait and provisions about $200.00. So he's dropping $1000.00 to $1200.00. In his scenario, he could charter one of the best boats in Port Canaveral, go out, catch fish, have another guy clean his fish and have another guy clean the boat and go home at the end of the day with zero boat slip fees, no insurance or boat payments, etc., etc.

If you're not going to use a boat frequently (unless you have extra money to burn) dont get it.

Good luck with your decision

jklaiber posted 01-28-2008 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for jklaiber  Send Email to jklaiber     
Well, I got him down to 114k with the BW rebate, but he won't budge any more. I offered him 100 plus my 1988 18 ft outrage and he wouldn't go for it. As was indicated earlier its hard to pull the trigger on a boat that will only be used 4-5 months out of the year. Oh well the search goes on. Thanks for all the feedback.
Brian7son posted 01-29-2008 08:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Take a look at these.

http://search.boattraderonline.com/search-results/Make-Boston%20Whaler/ Region-NE|North%20East/Year-2000,2006/Keywords-Conquest/Length-27,31/ Price-0,100000/Sort-Price:DESC/

jklaiber posted 01-29-2008 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for jklaiber  Send Email to jklaiber     
Brian7son

Thanks for all the feedback. I did query boatrader but there really are not any boats similar to this one that are freshwater. Also not to keen on buying a big boat out of state and going through all the hassel of getting it to Ohio. So my question to you, do you think that 114k for the boat I described is a decent deal if I can get past the 4-5 months of use time in Lake Erie and the outboard issue.

Thanks

Brian7son posted 02-01-2008 01:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
jklaiber

I would say that was a fair deal. It's a 2006, but it's new, so the hull warranty from Whaler and the outboard warranty from Mercury do not start until you take delivery.
As long as those are the criteria, I'd say that you would be in a good position.

Go over the boat with a fine toothed comb. It's been on their lot for 2 years. Look for any blemishes and scratches etc, that may need to be buffed out.

That's a hell of a nice upgrade from a 1988 18' Outrage. You will enjoy it. $114K is fair, just do your best to try and get him to throw in some extras. Extra PFD's, make sure that you have a nice anchor with plenty of rope and a full canvas enclosure, bow cushions. Make sure it has the type of electronics that you want, etc. Basically, any of that nick nack stuff that you picture yourself having to go out and buy after you take delivery, try and get it thrown in now. Maybe even and EPIRB(now that's asking a lot)

Lastly, and I realize being in Ohio, this may not be an option at this time, but I'd definitely want to take that rig for a sea trial. Tell them to fill up the gas tanks too. Maybe you do the deal now, give a hefty deposit and have them write "contingent upon sea trial prior to buyer taking delivery".

...and that's my 2 cents for what it's worth.


Brian7son posted 02-01-2008 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
RE: your 1988 Outrage, I would sell it yourself. Dont trade it in. You will easily get a few thousand more by selling it yourself vs. trading it in.
jklaiber posted 02-03-2008 02:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for jklaiber  Send Email to jklaiber     
Brain7son

The boat has windlass and a radio and the GPS option from Whaler already on it. The bottom has already been painted. The motors do have 25 hours on them but alot of that was from the last in water boat show as I saw the boat running all day to show people how quiet the motors were. I really don't want to spend this much but I have looked at so many used boats and I am tired of all the stuff wrong with them as well as the survey game. Yes the boat has the all of the hull warranty and I was told 5 years on the motors. Thanks again for all your feedback. Gives me something to think about.

handn posted 02-09-2008 08:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for handn  Send Email to handn     
We have a similar boat, a much loved and used 305 Conquest. It is a very versitile boat. We always knew that we would use it as a dayboat but didn't realize how much cruising we would do. The cabin is well planned and comfortable for a few day cruise. We are avid fishermen and the boat fishes well both trolling in the deep sea, drifting and at anchor. The cockpit is large for a small boat and you can party on it with your friends if that is your thing.
I agree that there is no point in buying a big boat unless it gets a lot of use. Once the thrill of buying it wears off all the costs come to mind. There are a lot of hidden costs, depreciation, maintanence, insurance and dockage.
How much did you use your last boat? Do you live near a marina where you can rent a slip? A big boat is a handfull to put on and off the trailer and lug around. How much else is going on in you life that would prevent you from using it? Do you have a long boating season or is you used limited to a few months? Is your wife as enthusiastic about as you are? If it is not her thing then you will likely be doing something else most weekends.
If you think you will use the boat several hundred hours a year, pull the trigger. The price is right and you don't need to worry about resale if you use and love the boat. For us, going out in the boat is an adventure and never gets old and is worth every cent of the cost. For a lot of people, things get in the way of using the boat. There are thousands of used low hour boats for sale where people got boat fever and signed the check but the time and will to use the boat wasn't there.
jollyrog305 posted 02-10-2008 04:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for jollyrog305  Send Email to jollyrog305     
I grew up with and still have a 1967 Currituck. My wife and I just bought a “new” 305. Actually it is a 06 but has the full warranties’, etc . We wanted and were looking at a 07 285 – it appeared to be the perfect boat for use. However, when we found out that the AC didn’t work while underway, which was a requirement (kids and health issues) that put it out of the running. We looked at several used 285’s and went to look at a used 305 when we came across the 06 at a local BW dealer. We got a great deal on it after “negotiating” with the dealer for about a week.
In terms of resale or investment, I will be the first to say that a boat is a bad investment, especially where we live. At best we have 6-8 months to use it a year, not to mention the excellent points Brian7son and handn made about all the addition items that come with a (larger) boat. With that said though we plan on being on our new boat every possible weekend, and then some. More importantly, as my wife pointed, we bought the boat as an “investment” in our family. I remember the summers out on the Bay in our Currituck and those memories are priceless.
jklaiber posted 02-11-2008 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for jklaiber  Send Email to jklaiber     
Jolly

If you don't mind me asking, what range did you pay for the 305. The 305 has a larger beam and more options. Just wondering how much you got off of list to see if the 285 I am looking at is discounted as much as the 305 you bought. Where are you going to be using the boat? My wife and I have discussed the investment in life, but as you said sometimes the best laid plans don't work out and if for some reason I need to sell it I want to make sure I can get most of my money back.

Thanks

jollyrog305 posted 02-11-2008 06:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for jollyrog305  Send Email to jollyrog305     
It is actually a funny story. My wife wanted the 345. After whatever she was smoking wore off (although it is a beautiful boat), we bid/were the highest bidders on this boat when it was being sold on e-bay by the dealer. However, we did not meet the reserve. Funny how things work out. Needless to say, we paid 150K for the 06 305, fully loaded (all upgraded packages, etc - minus radar), warranties, etc. In comparison, the 04 305 we were originally looking at was 25K less (did however have 06 Verado’s but needed some minor interior TLC, some major spots on the exterior, and some aftermarket items that worried me). We paid 10K more for the boat than our highest e-bay bid and 17K less than what the dealer originally wanted. All in all, comparing this to earlier/same year models (with fair amount of hours on the engines) I have seen advertise, I think we got a great deal. Not to mention that my wife and I looked at older 285’s that were in this price range and the local BW dealer was selling a (07) 285 for 180K and a (07)loaded 305 for 190K+ (eventually knocked it down to the 175K range). Whalers hold their value. We will mostly use the boat to (further) explore and fish the Chesapeake Bay, with probably a few longer trips up and down the Atlantic Coast (kids love the mid berth). I feel that if for whatever reason I had to sell it, I could at least get my $ back (could be wrong though – who knows with markets today). Anyway best of luck. I saw this 305 the other day and was pretty impressed (at least on “paper”) http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1789544/0 - not sure about the bow thruster though???? If your close to it, maybe worth checking out.

P.S. I am 6' and the interior headroom is so much better in the 305...

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