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sheikofthesea posted 01-23-2008 11:46 AM ET (US)   Profile for sheikofthesea   Send Email to sheikofthesea  
First off I would like to say that I am the very proud owner of a 2007 Montauk 190. I am writing this description of my experiences with the boat and my assessment of its performance to sum up a wonderful year of boating and fishing. I also have been following the whole pricing discusion and while Steve is perfectly within his rights to help and get help with all the money stuff in another thread, I also agree with WoodDuck that owners of the boat need to start sharing their experiences. So...


I paid last year, at the beginning of the season for the 190, the 115, and every available option, except the aluminum trailer and the sun lounge, 41,000( notable options: the bow cushion, the wonderful stereo, the greatgarmin electronics, the 3+3 warranty on the engine, a full tank of gas, the livewell, etc. etc).This seems higher than some of you, and it might have been that I was so eager to buy the boat, it was new in 2007, and Marine Max truly is a full service operation.They have been great. The six year warrantee on the engine is fantastic and the few small problems I have had they immediately sent a service technician to fix the problem. So enough about money.

I am first and foremost a fisherman of Westen Long Island Sound, the East River and the New York Bight. I also like to take my kids out on the boat, my wife, friends, and lovely ladies in bikinis(who are also just friends).

I am going to leave performance issues to the end because I am not as confident on this website with my knowledge base with all the experts around.

Lets start with the layout. Its huge. Its been said before but when you see the 170 next to the 190 it looks like you could put the 170 inside the 190. The 8 foot beam and open skiff design makes the deck into s small dance floor. I routinely fish with one other guy but 3 is also wonderful and 4 is also doable. I added four taco stainless steel adjustable rod holders to the side rails. But there is plenty of room to set up shop for stationary or drift fishing and for running around when it is pitch and cast. When the bluefish or the stripers are schooling and you are busting the boat all over the place chasing birds the extra open room gives everybody a chance to dance and get their perfect cast position.

Continuing with the layout: there is a wonderful casting platform in the bow of the boat that was the best option for flyfishing. A bow cushion turns the front of the boat into a sunbathing lounge that is perfect for the bathing beauties in your life while you take the helm. The wide beam makes it easy to run around the sides of the boat without falling over the side. The open area in the center console, along with the easily opened, removeable door panel and a large storage chest under the really fine adjustable helm seat, and two small storage hatches in the transom give much more storage space than any other Montauk. The storage chest under the helm seat doesn't have a way to air out so things get mildewy. I think I might end up drilling some holes into it but I want some guidance. The anchor locker holds a size seven fortress anchor. If you are a fetishist about the gellcoat figure out some kind of bag to put the anchor in. I am not, and consequently have one small chip where my son dropped the anchor.

There is lots of seating on this boat. I generally push the adjustable seat all the way forward and perch on it like a bench leave the aft seat home so I have easy access to the livewell and let my fishing buddy sit on the cooler seat, but you can also push the seat back, throw on the bow cushion and the aft seat over the livewell and have a six seven person party (8 people is the limit).

The livewell itself is excellent. I would say it is in between 15 and 20 gallons, is circular, disperses air bubbles in a soft small way and keeps 6-8 1' foot bunker alive for hours.

Some people don't like all of the stainless steel on the boat, but I learned to appreciate it leaning my knees against the bow rail in 3-4 foot waves casting to stripers, and taking lots of little kiddies out who wanted to hang their feet over the front of the boat.

The boat only has a two aft cleats and one, very well designed light/chuck combination at the bow. I would think about two cleats toward the front of the boat so that I don't end up tieing stuff off the side rails.

The bimini top is very easy to take down or off and is a godsend in keeping the sun off the older and younger folks and saving the rest of us from skin cancer.

The swim platform is a must for kids, overweight or underexercized folks and the occaisional fisherman who falls off the boat in the middle of the night in his excitement (me).

After a full hard season of work and play the hull looks beautiful after a careful cleaning and the bottom paint needed a little scrubbing and touch up and is ready to go for next year.

The "open," skiff like nature of the boat makes for easy cleaning. The only issue is that the non skid deck gathers some grayness that definitely requires some elbow grease. But besides being out fishing, or just exploring, my next favorite activity is drinking a beer, listening to the Mets game and cleaning the boat. Any suggestions for cleaning would be appreciated.

Now on to performance and handling. And again, I have only owned one other boat, a 19 foot sundance skiff with a 60 HP Evinrude, and I am only a humble fisherman who likes to take care of my kids, protect the environment and enjoy the beauty of nature and woman, so I cannot go into the in depth, engineering degree type analysis that some of the great folks at Continuous Wave can indulge in.

The boats profile allows it to deal with difficult water. I have often been the only one or one of the few boats out in a small craft advisory, dealing with four foot waves. AS long as the wind is not driving from the side or you make a sharp turn in heavy water you do not get wet. It is a very dry boat.It holds a curve like nobody's business.

It also has a very shallow draft. I have push pole, that I made out of a PVC pipe, that allows me to get into very shallow back bay water but the size and shape of the boat give it enough ooommmphhh to go cruising and find out of the way spots and feel comfortable in deep dark water.

The dashboard is ergonomically laid out. It has taken me a while to learn how to use the Garmin 498 but I am getting there. I had a problem with the stereo and a Marine Max guy came and fixed it but one of the switches had a problem in that the red light would stay on even in the off position. The service person commented that the four way,"cross" links between the wires could be tricky. One of my batteries did drain but I haven't had a problem since making sure to turn off the big red battery switch every time I leave the boat.

A more serious issue happened one time when I was out with my son chasing bluefish and all of a sudden the throttle came loose and I was unable to switch it into gear. Just about to call Boat US for a tow ( talk about the peace of mind that 100 bucks can give you!), I was emboldened to open up the plate and look at it. One of the bolts had come loose. I tightened them and have not had a problem since. Some folks reccomended some solutions in terms of nuts and glue but I have not had a problem since. I think I was using the throttle as a handhold and putting to much pressure on it but if it happens again I will follow everybody's advice.

This boat is not superfast with the 115. At top speed I get about 34 knots 40 miles per hour. But speed is not the reason I own a boat. The 60 gallon gas tank goes on and on and on. I think I get about 3 to 4 to 5 to 6 miles a gallon depending on what I am doing. It is so reliable. It always starts like a charm. I fish near the rocks alot or in a surf break and I need to be able to turn the engine on and get out of there and the engine has not failed me once in over 150 hours+ of engine hour time. Plus this baby is quiet, but you all know that. I had to add some oil once during the season and go through the winterization process, and I am confident that come April 1st I will have the boat in the water ready for another wonderful season of boating and fishing.


I love this boat. It fits my sense of a perfect, luxury, super deluxe, plain,big ole fishin' skiff. So if you see the "DEBUNKER" out on the Western Sound please say hi, and if I have left anything out or could add detail please ask. I would like to hear from other people's experiences as well. Can't wait to hear what other people are doing with this boat!


Tohsgib posted 01-23-2008 11:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
How was the delaer with oil changes and service? What did they charge? I change my engine and lower unit every 50 hours because I am anal. With Synthetic I double it.
sheikofthesea posted 01-23-2008 12:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for sheikofthesea  Send Email to sheikofthesea     
I change my own oil and I do the lube stuff during winterizing. I am not anal but I do like to give loving care to my boat. Are there dealers who change your oil? Would you really want someone to change your oil? My wife needs a good time in bed every once in a while but I do that myself! Do I really need to change the lube during season?
Tohsgib posted 01-23-2008 01:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
You should about every 100 hours. I change my own oil as well, hence why I asked but since you mentioned the dealer coming out a few times and how they are full service, etc I thought you might have had them do the service as well. Yes there are MANY mobile marine techs who will change oil, etc at your dock. Many have the dealer service it during warranty so as to never have it questioned should the need arise.
Tohsgib posted 01-23-2008 01:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
If you use the synhetic racing lube in the foot you should be good all season. If using the cheap gold stuff, I do every 50 hours.
themclos posted 01-23-2008 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for themclos  Send Email to themclos     
Sheik,

Sign me up! Are you sure you are not a Boston Whaler dealer?

Thank you for the thorough write up. It sounds as if you have found the perfect boat for your situation.

I spent a long time looking over the 190 Montauk at the NY Boat Show. It had an incredible amount of deck room, more than the 200 Dauntless, which was right next to it.

It looked to be a great, low maintenance boat, much like the classic Montauk is. We fish/boat in the Raritan Bay/Sandy Hook area, with our 17 Montauk, and it sounds if the 190 Montauk would be a great boat for these waters.

Dan

Steve772 posted 01-23-2008 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Steve772  Send Email to Steve772     
sheikofthesea,

We have only been out two times. One ironic thing is that initially both my wife and I didn't really care for all of the stainless steel (bow, port and starboard railings). I asked my wife after the first two little outings what she like the most about the boat and she said the railings... I agreed.

We are both over 50 I have a bad back and my wife's knees have seen better days. They are great to hold on to and we used them numerous times during our short outings The Montauk railings along with the bimini arch (up) give a unique look to the boat. You would not mistake a different boat for a Montauk.

I've said it before I love the boat and "it really looks like a Whaler"!

Just my initial thoughts,
Steve

samwhaler posted 01-23-2008 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for samwhaler    
Sheik, thanks for such a nice report. It is nice to see that you enjoyed the 190. I was at our boat show in Columbia, SC, they had the 190 sitting next to a 170 (which I own one) and 190 looked awesomely huge, and a nice layout, I was tempted. Price tag was 37k. Well there was another pretty 2007 19 outrage with a 150 Verado for 38k (down from 44k). The 190 is in demand as there were no mark downs on its price. April is just around the corner>

Sam

highanddry posted 01-24-2008 12:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
If they had an Outrage 190 with the 150 Verado for only 1,000 more dollars there is no doubt which I would get. You guess.
Yiddil posted 01-24-2008 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
That was a pretty impressive recount on this very nice whaler....Its good to hear she is as nice as she looks.
Use her in good health, she is a gorgeeous whaler.I have been impressed with her from the start and its clear that you as an owner have been more than plesantly suprized by what this boat does so well.

Its interesting that samwhaler talks to the issue of price of the Outrage 19 and this boat and states the 19 Outarge was 1000. more with no discounts, and in demand at the boat show in SC. Thats also pretty impressive.

Do they make a bow doger at Mills for her and full canvas yet? I bet that would be something:)

good luck Henry AKA THE YIDDIL

Whalerdog posted 01-24-2008 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdog  Send Email to Whalerdog     
Having bought mine in Aug 07 I put 80 hr. on it. I just go cruising and play in rough rough water in Jones Inlet. Some times the waves are 6' boat does fine and is dry as stated above. I really ran it hard dropping off big waves and some big air. Hull shows not one stress crack. Fuel consumption is great. It is in the water in my backyard so I can go for a ride in two minutes to relax. I like drifting in big water sipping a soda and snacking.

Sea worthy isn't the word for the boat. Having raced Skaters from 24' to 36' for years and running as fast as 145 MPH I know how to beat up a boat in the rough. I ran it so hard the bow rub rail was just staying above the water into each large wave. Motor only had a fuel line pop off once. Easy to service the motor for the basics. Was not keen on the 4 stroke after racing so many years. I am glad I have it now. 135 would be nice but I got the bug for boat and didn't want to wait till 08 and it was more than 4,000 extra more like 6,000 when moving up a model year.

Cleans easy except for the non-skid deck but it needs a slight effort not to bad. Boat is just solid no matter what you do to it and I always wanted a Whaler since I was 15 after riding in a 13' in rough water. People look at it even in the water and don't believe it's 19'.

I am sure I would have been breaking apart any other boat even at 39-40 MPH by now! also very easy to trailer and I hope to take it some places like FL in the future when I visit.

john

bluewaterpirate posted 01-24-2008 10:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
We've got a gentleman down here who fishes his Montauk 190/135 Verado/aftermarket T-Top 15 - 20 miles offshore but never shot any videos of him. I've seen the boat handle 3 -4 chop with ease. The next time I see the boat you can count on some pictures & videos.

Tom

DLee posted 01-24-2008 11:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for DLee  Send Email to DLee     
Ola Sheik!

Sorry I'm not in the 190 family yet, just picked up a used 170 this past November and am pretty excited about it. I am, however, in your neighborhood.

I'm a little north of you and will be launching from Norwalk on (hopefully) a regular basis. I used to be a guide on the East River and Upper Harbor (6 years) but know very little about the sound. I've picked up a couple charts and have been 'dreaming' about the spring. Perhaps we could rendezvous sometime and swap some fishing tips.

My wife loved the size of the 190s when I was shopping. Unfortunately my wallet said '170!' Actually, my wallet said '17,' I said '170!'

sheikofthesea posted 01-24-2008 12:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for sheikofthesea  Send Email to sheikofthesea     
Dear Lee:

That sounds great. The 170 was always my dream and then I was suddenly able to get the 190. The Sound is great fishing and I would love to hear more about the East River.
I have all the fishing I can deal with between the Throgs Neck up to Captains Islands (Greenwich) on the N. side and Matinicock Point on the South Side. I scour Eastchester Bay, LNB, Manhasset, Hempstead,Matinicock, Rye Play Land, Larchmont, Harts Island, etc. Hardcore, love to fish. Lets hook up sometime trade secrets, think about improvements, spend some time fishing and get our wives out on the water.
Can't wait for April!

To the folks who just have to say the Outrage is better I am sure you are right, for you! I grew up learning how to fish local waters and now I have the perfect boat to fish my local waters and beyond, and check out different dock and dine spots!


sheikofthesea posted 01-24-2008 01:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for sheikofthesea  Send Email to sheikofthesea     
Dear Bluewaterpirate:


That is really cool how far out he is getting in his 190. Would love to see pictures. I am cautious but not risk adverse and would really love to see how far I could push the 190.

Tohsgib posted 01-24-2008 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
You could take that 190 to the Vineyard. Just don't push it as hard as JFK Jr did ;)

I have driven from Sandy Hook to LBI in a 17' MANY times so you can journey as far as you want if you follow the coast. I always wanted to go to Maine from NJ.

DLee posted 01-24-2008 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for DLee  Send Email to DLee     
Sheik!

Rock-n-roll baby! Let's do it!

I've been a land lubber for the past 5 years - until one glorious half-hour this last November when I took my 170 out for a trial launch and quick spin. Believe me, I am chomping at the rail!

Now I go out and sit under that 17' blue plastic teepee and turn on the lights, honk the horn (and wow, what a horn!) and steer the wheel. It's actually too cold right now to sit out there with a beer. My tackle bag isn't bad, but other than my Winston 8 weight I don't have a single boat rod... yeah, I've got some catching up to do.

I have a NOAA chart for Norwalk, I'll try and pick up a couple more. Maybe one for Greenwich. I know I have an Upper Harbor and East River chart as well... if I can find them. Man I can't wait!

Let's keep in touch. I love dem Stripers! And yeah, let's get the wives out, my wife is seriously looking forward to dining by boat. Do you know if 'Steve's Pier One' in Bayville is approachable by water? I can't remember if they have a dock out there... there are so many restaurants along the water in CT. Then there's City Island close to you. You must know those places pretty well. Shooting across the Sound on calm, warm summer nights with a full belly, yep, that sounds good too.

Later,

Dennis

boatdryver posted 01-25-2008 09:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
I'm going to have to make up my mind today between a 2008 190 Montauk/135 Verado and a 2007 190 Outrage/150 Verado at very nearly the same price. I can see pros and cons of each, and I'm going to end up tossing a coin most likely.

I'd be helped by opinions on these two points, though

1. how much more confortable would the Outrage hull be in 2-3 foot chop planing or at least trying to make good time? big or small difference?

2. With either one where would you put 20-30 lb salmon and halibut? I mean the cooler they supply in front of the console is pretty small and there is very little space behind the helm seat of either boat for a larger cooler.

thanks,

JimL (in Northern Calif listening to the rain pound down on the roof)

sheikofthesea posted 01-25-2008 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for sheikofthesea  Send Email to sheikofthesea     
I am sure the Outrage with the deeper V does slightly better cruising through a 2-3 foot chop( The M-190 does just fine). But if I was in N. California I would want to also go back into the Delta for Stripers and there is where the versatility of the 190 super fishing skiff comes in. Those 20-30 lb halbut and salmon do sound fine! If I am planning on taking a big fish home--always an iffy proposition; I like to release most of my big fish, and you can never count on anything fishing-- I do take a big cooler. Otherwise a 15 lb blue or striper fits comfortably in the anchor locker with some ice.
Tohsgib posted 01-25-2008 11:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
If going offshore or in chop, go wioth the outrage. Where I live in FL, I would go with the Montauk. Then again for the same price I would probably go with the outrage anyway. Resale should be better for the OR as well.
DeepSouthWhaler posted 01-25-2008 02:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for DeepSouthWhaler    
Does the Outrage have a deeper vee? The boats are close to the same size and have the same draft.
bluewaterpirate posted 01-25-2008 02:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Yes ........
highanddry posted 01-25-2008 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
The Outrage 190 will handle better in the rough, that is my bet. How much better remains to be seen until two people who have pushed both in the same condtions can provide opinions. The Outrage has a higher bow and a deeper and sharper forward Vee and a few more pounds of weight. The freeboard is higher as well and it is pretier boat to boot.

A large ice chest can fit behind the baitwell or forward of the console---just remove the small cooler if need be and put a big one there--we do. The Outrage likes to be loaded a bit forward anyways.

Another benifit of the Outrage is that it does not have the baby crib rails on the gunwales which get in the way of fishing and scuba diving big time. And of course you can get the 150 horses that a 19 foot boat needs.

sheikofthesea posted 01-25-2008 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for sheikofthesea  Send Email to sheikofthesea     
Dear veryhighandry:


"[P]rettier boat?" Hmmmmn. Sounds like somebody has a fetish that they are not willing to make explicit. To my loving eyes the Montauk is the "prettier boat."

See you and yours out on the water!


Sheik


sheikofthesea posted 01-25-2008 06:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for sheikofthesea  Send Email to sheikofthesea     
Okay, I forgot one annoying thing in my exstatic homily to the 190 Montauk. They (BW) put 4 rod holders for transit behind the cooler seat and in front of the windshield. Consequently, if you have the criss crossing strap for the bimini top and four fishing rods standing vertically it obstructs the captain's vision! I installed beautiful adjustible taco rod holders on the side rails but I don't feel comfortable traveling with rods hanging over the side of the boat. I am now in the process of figuring out how I can set up rods horizontally on the gunwhale without screwing up the boat.

But still I have to advocate for this boat as the estuary, back bay, and way beyond boat of the century.


highanddry posted 01-25-2008 07:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Another reason to get the prettier (just for you shiek--you know I am just teasing you) Outrage, it has four rod holders in the gunwales, under gunwale rod storage and four more forward of the console and spring cleats for a total of six cleats--assuming the 1,000 dollar difference the other fellow saw at the boat show then the Outrage is the better deal. There are differences between the two boats,I would not pay 5,000 dollars for that stuff but maybe 1,000, well that plus the 150 horses, hmmmmm.

BTW, the Montauk is a pretty boat too.

sheikofthesea posted 01-26-2008 12:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for sheikofthesea  Send Email to sheikofthesea     
Dear Highandry:

You are too much Mr. High Hand Laundry.I can't imagine what nefarious, outrageous, intellectual machinations you are committing to make such supercilliuos ,critical comments about a new classic, the boat that makes all of us float, the post modern skiff with nothing amiss, the master of all disaters, the Montauk 190.


Sheik

Perry posted 01-26-2008 02:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I have ridden in both 190 Montauk and 190 Outrage. The Montauk had a 115 HP motor and is quite roomy but the overall ride of the 190 Outrage is superior. If they cost close to the same, I would definately buy the Outrage.
My .02 cents
imko posted 01-26-2008 05:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for imko  Send Email to imko     
I have also ridden in the 190 Montauk and 190 Outrage both
with a 135 Verado. Go for the Outrage for a better ride and
boat!


highanddry posted 01-26-2008 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
I have not been in the Montauk 190 but I have been in the 170 and it should be no surprise that the Outrage 190 is vastly superior ride and much dryer and far more stable. How that translates to the Montauk 190 I was only guessing but it seems my guess has been validated, the Outrage will have a superior ride. The only cavet, the Outrage really benifits from tabs (at low planning speeds) to take fullest advantage of it's deeper and sharper forward entry.
boatdryver posted 01-27-2008 08:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
OK, thanks to everyone for the responses to my questions comparing the 190 Montauk to the 190 Outrage.

Sad to say, the dealer has determined from the factory that the factory livewell plumbing cannot be retrofitted, so a leftover 2007 190 Outrage is out of the picture for me.

Now I'm considering a leftover '07 20 ft Dauntless (there were no incentives on this because it is now one of Whaler's best selling models, after the 170 Montauk and 190 Outrage in that order).

I've started a new thread on this Dauntless.

I think the 190 Montauk is going to emerge as a big success for Whaler. In another thread on the "Gam" someone has reported that the 190 Montauk hull is going to be used for the commercial/ law enforcement/Military versions now. That says a lot about the 190 Montauk's performance and durability in rigorous testing. You know that the Military is not going to settle for 135 HP!

JimL

Perry posted 01-27-2008 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
quote:
Sad to say, the dealer has determined from the factory that the factory livewell plumbing cannot be retrofitted, so a leftover 2007 190 Outrage is out of the picture for me.

What exactly are you referring to?

Retrofitted for what?

WT posted 01-27-2008 12:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
If I bought any Whaler with a Verado I'd make sure I get the Generation II Verado. Generation II Verados get forged pistons, better oil circulation, better gas mileage etc.

Just make sure you know which Verado you are getting with a "leftover" Whaler.

Warren

boatdryver posted 01-27-2008 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
Perry, the boat was not ordered by the dealer with a fishing package or livewell option, so the cavity in the seat base normally serving as a livewell is unplumbed, meaning no thru-hull seawaer intake . According to the factory the seat base would have to be removed by the dealer in order to route the intake water through a freshly drilled hole through the foam for the hose, up through the seat base to the livewell and they have had some seat bases crack and have to be replaced.

so in this situation the "livewell" cavity can only serve as a fishbox, storage, or uninsulated icebox.

Perry posted 01-27-2008 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Now I know what you're talking about Jim. Mine also came without the fishing package and I normally use the livewell space for storage. On several occasions I have filled the livewell with seawater from a bucket and used a battery powered airater to keep bait alive. I pull the plug at the bottom of the well and let some of the water drain out of the thru-hull drain into the ocean, then refill with fresh water every hour or so. Kind of a pain in the butt but it works.

I also installed a 100 quart cooler in front of the console. Not only does it provide lots of room to keep things cold but it makes a nice seat for 2 adults.

sheikofthesea posted 01-31-2008 11:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for sheikofthesea  Send Email to sheikofthesea     
Why has my thread on the Montauk 190 been hijacked by Outrage and Dauntless fans? Go start your own thread. The Mighty Montauk 190 skiff rules the back bay, sound, coastal, offshore mixed bag fishing world. Get used to it.

Sheik

Vic Holmstrom posted 01-31-2008 12:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Vic Holmstrom  Send Email to Vic Holmstrom     
I was in Aruba in December and noticed that the Aruba Montauk 190s were equiped with Yamaha F150s. Looked like a sweet combination.

Vic

boatdryver posted 01-31-2008 05:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
Yeah, sorry, sheik. We did get off the initial subject of 190 Montauks. they are great. It's bothering me a lot not to be buying one.

But, don't most conversations get off the original subject eventually?

What has happened here could be worse; check out the thread going on on GAM that was originally "new boats not selling" and has turned into a heated personal shouting match over slumlords, landlords and lawyers. they'll be choosing their weapons soon. ;-)

wood duck posted 02-01-2008 04:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for wood duck  Send Email to wood duck     
Sheik,

Thanks for sharing your early days with the 190 Montauk. As an owner of the 190 I have experienced all the positive aspects that you have noted and really cannot add much other than I, too, think it is a great boat. The majority of my time is spent chasing rockfish and blues on the Chesapeake Bay. I find the boat roomy and very functional for my purposes. I will usually carry two additional fishermen, rack up 50-60 miles in a day's round trip, and the 135 Verado has all the power that I need in the variable sea conditions experienced. I previously owned a 170 Montauk and find a significant difference in the rough water going with the 8' beam of the 190. I also enjoy the troll speed control feature of Smartcraft while trolling during the early trophy bass season. Not much new here for everyone to read, but just wanted to note my continued satisfaction with my purchase of the 190 Montauk.

walker posted 02-04-2008 11:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for walker  Send Email to walker     
Sheik,

Thanks for your review, i have not read any detailed reviews of the 190 yet. I put down a deposit on the 190 earlier today and picking it up next week. Reading your reveiw reinforced the reason for choosing this boat. I looked at the Dauntless 18 and 20 as well as the outrage. Being primarily a flyfisher in the Chesepeake the 190 fit the bill. I decieded to fork over the extra cash for the 135, i am interested to see how it does.

Thanks again

Feejer posted 02-05-2008 07:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Woodduck, Walker. What part of the bay to you guys fish? I keep my 17 in Northeast at Anchor Marine
Tohsgib posted 02-05-2008 12:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Do most of the 190 buyers finance or pay cash? Just curious being the extra $$ for the 135 would not equate to much more of a payment(over 120 months or whatever)so it might not be a barrier like it is to me who would pay the extra $4k+ for 20hp in cash.
Whalerdog posted 02-05-2008 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdog  Send Email to Whalerdog     
120 months I would stay on shore. I can't imagine what it would cost with interest.
wood duck posted 02-07-2008 03:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for wood duck  Send Email to wood duck     
Feejer, I put in on Fishing Bay, Elliott Island, I have a house there. I fish south to Tangiers Sound, Deal Is., Kedges Straits, Smith Island, also through Hooper's Straits and out to the open Bay.
boatdryver posted 02-07-2008 06:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
I tested a 2008 190 Montauk with a 135 Verado yesterday. San Francisco Bay on a 55 degree sunny day with only 5 knots of wind.

I was very surprised how quickly the boat popped up on plane in about 3 seconds with only partial power and 3 onboard with half fuel.. The water was flat so there was no opportunity to evaluate ride in a chop.
Hands off the wheel the boat stayed on course straight as an arrow. It took moderately more effort to turn to port than to starboard, a little more than I expected. I suspect the motor trim needed fine tuning.

Fuel flow and paddlewheel speeds were the same as the performance data on the Whaler web site.

This is my third experience with the DTS/Verado combo and like everything about them, including the digital information on fuel flow, etc, etc. These are great while the boat is relatively new.. Only time will tell whether they will still function with several years of exposure to weather and salt water.

I really, really liked the feeling of the big simple open skiff and feeling of being so at home in the boat ( I have a classic Montauk).

Launching and retreival were easy, but of course required more water than with the classic Montauk since the 8 ft beam causes the boat to sit above the trailer fenders instead of between them. The long bed pickup had its rear wheels at water's edge and the hitch and winch were over water. This was the supplied single axle galvanized bunk trailer without trailer side guides. The foreward 2 feet of the bunks were kept out of the water on retreival and the bunks centered the boat perfectly. There was no crosswind or waves at the ramp.The boat was powered up the last 3 or 4 feet with very little throttle.

A very impressive ride.

JimL

JoeyP posted 02-09-2008 12:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
WT,

Interesting point you raise about a generation I vs II Verado. How do you know the difference? Is that something that occured in all HP sizes or just the big boys. I'm looking at a leftover 2007 Outrgae with a 150 Verado. Thanks

WT posted 02-09-2008 01:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
JoeyP:

Here you go.

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005517.html

Warren

JoeyP posted 02-09-2008 08:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Thanks Warren good info. I'm certainly a better educated consumer now. I will check the MFG date on the 2007 Verado/190 Outrage. My guess is that it was manufactured in 2006. I looked at a 2008 190 Outrage at the AC boat show and that motor was manufactured in September 2007. I will be looking for the new graphics package.
boatdryver posted 02-09-2008 10:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
The Generation 1 Verados have white letters bordered in red on the cowling.

The Generation 2 Verados have silver letters on the cowling.

JimL

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