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alfred posted 03-29-2008 06:58 AM ET (US)

Will the deck stay dry with 2x90kg guys standing in the back?
TunnelRat posted 03-31-2008 04:32 PM ET (US)
Took me a while to do the "kilo" math. Anyway, two 200 pound guys sitting in the back won't be any problem at all, but it will help you out (and be more comfortable for them)if they stand at the console.
alfred posted 04-01-2008 07:22 AM ET (US)
Thanks. I just wanted to know because on my 18 Outrage, when I have 2 adults at the back say when gaffing a fish or bringing a big one on, the engine well gets 4-5 inches in it and on days when the waves are big, they sometimes come over the transom cut out making the boat sit even lower. So far I only had water wash over the engine well separator onto the main deck once, when I had 2 other guys on and all of us were at the back bringing on a big samson fish and that was no fun!
I know the transom of the 190 is different, but I have yet to see one as there are none in West Australia.
Marlin posted 04-01-2008 07:51 AM ET (US)
Here's a good view of how the classic 18 and the 190's transoms compare. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/GoldenDaze/Potomac%20Halloween/ PA310039.jpg
-Bob
alfred posted 04-01-2008 08:56 AM ET (US)
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
That is a great pic!
boatdryver posted 04-01-2008 09:32 AM ET (US)
When Alfred first asked the question, I thought he was referring to water coming in through the self bailing scuppers if two big guys were standing at the transom. does anyone know the answer to this?
I was on a friend's 1996 Dauntless 18 center console and with two big guys at the console the water entered the scuppers and crept up a couple of feet from the helm seat, if the boat was stationary.
JmL
alfred posted 04-01-2008 09:36 AM ET (US)
Actually that was the question, but I had to acknowledge the great pic!
Have learnt here that I need to be patient and someone will eventually contribute.
You folks collectively have all the info anyone could want on BWs!
Kencvit posted 04-02-2008 01:04 AM ET (US)
Thats the the Yiddel on his 190 nantucket/outrage.
You can see the port scupper drain well above the waterline, the starboard not visible, its under the swim platform/ladder.
Henry(yiddel) has the benefit of a mercury 115 2 stroke which is very light at something like 385 pds?
I have the 150 Yamaha at 466 pds on my 190. Opti`s are 430 and Verados are 510 I think(the heaviest).
Depending on sea state, passengers, fuel load , if your live well is full and your motor weight (and kicker if you have) you can get water through the scuppers.
My example,drift fishing, with a halftank of fuel 30 gal.,livewell full, one person at the helm, 2 people(200 per person) at the rear quarters you are OK . move both people at the back to the same side and you will get some water at that scupper drain ,an inch or so for a foot on average . If your drifting and waves are hitting the stern or your backing down you can get some water too ,but you usually need to have 2 people in that quarter.
With just 2 200pders at the console only you will not get any water.You have to have the fat guys right at the back.
The scuppers have flaps but they tend to float up to let water in.
The drains for the motor well are normally at the water level and there is usually water there an inch or more depending but I have never had water over the motor well. I think the only way you could get that is from a wave breaking over the stern.
That has happened to me a couple of times and I`ve had water come to the console but it drained out fast through the 2 scuppers without requiring forward motion.
I don`t find it much of an issue but have had a few complaints from some of my passengers of getting their running shoes wet in the fall...I tell them they`re supposed
to be wearing boots in cold conditions ;-)

alfred posted 04-02-2008 05:15 AM ET (US)
Kencvit
Thank you for the info. That was what I was looking for.
Now I hope someone with a 150 Verado will chip in, as all the boats that I have short listed are with 150 Verados. I will not be fitting a kicker, but will always have full tanks (as I normally fish the FADs 32 miles offshore) and I am likely to use the live well when I fish most of the time.
I weigh about 180lbs and my mates if they come along are in that range too. Most of the time I solo it.
JoeyP posted 04-02-2008 09:02 AM ET (US)
Alfred
I believe wmeier is about to take delivery on an 08 190 with a 150 Verado next week or so. He will be the guy to talk to about that very question. I'm interested as well as I too am about to upgrade to that very same boat.
alfred posted 04-02-2008 09:05 AM ET (US)
How do I contact him?
TunnelRat posted 04-02-2008 12:32 PM ET (US)
I have a 150 Verado on mine. It sometimes fish with a 350 pounder plus his 12 year old son. They both prefer to sit in the back seats (not sure why). I don't get water through the scuppers. I almost always fish with full fuel tank and conditions are sometimes rough.
alfred posted 04-03-2008 05:26 AM ET (US)
Thank you!
highanddry posted 04-03-2008 08:56 AM ET (US)
My 150 Opti powered Nantucket will get a little water in the scuppers if I have the boat loaded with scuba tanks, ice, full live well, full fuel and four or five people especially if we are hanging out in the back deck.
alfred posted 04-03-2008 09:04 AM ET (US)
Looks like it will suitable for me. I generally fish alone, but sometimes have a buddy onboard.
Only time I will likely have more then 2 is when the wife and kids come along.
How is the ride compared to the 18 Outrage?
Scott Grey posted 04-04-2008 04:59 PM ET (US)
I have a 190 outrage with a 150 verado. The only time I believe I have ever had any water come back thru the deck drains is when I was sitting on the rear seat putting my dive gear on with 4 80 cubic foot air tanks, weights and all in the rear of the boat. I weigh around 260lbs. Even then it was only enough to wet the back of my feet. Oh and I have a 82 lb thrust trolling motor on the same side of the transome. I fish 2 adults off the back all the time in the intracoastal and can't recall ever having water come back in...
I don't think it's a problem!
Yiddil posted 04-04-2008 09:31 PM ET (US)
Hi people...That 115 classic of mine weights in at 348,not 385:) (Ken:) She's really lighter than anything else out there on a Nantucket/Outrage that I have seen.Thats what helps her go so good:)
I have been on Scotts 18 classic w a 150 Yamaha 2 stroke and have to pull a large person out of the Chesapeake Bay swim and it put 2-3 inches of water in the stern area of his outrage...I was suprized...my boat shoes were underwater!. it's not a problem cause he just pulled the plug and moved forward and she emptied out, then he re-installed the drain plug.
I have never seen a Nantucket/Outrage have water back up through the scuppers, or fill like that not even with a Verado 150 which is a huge 510 lbs. i don't think BW would put that engine on her if they knew of a problem with the scuppers. Some time ago someone said they build the nantucket for the verado:) In 2004 there was no verados or ETECs, although the ETECs are way less weight than the Verados.

The stern of "Das BOat" compared to Kamies 18 classic Outrage is so very different. Scott's was like Kamie's. although i belive Kamie has a bilge or even two placed in the stern to help with drainage. If you look at the specs on each of these boats you will see the reasons for differences between Nantucket/Outrage post classic and the classic outrage. There hulls along with most everything else are different. They are very dfferernt animals.
I think it's a matter of personal preference which ride you like but they are very different.There has been a lot said about both on here, just check the prior posts.
Before anyone has a baby, there both great boats even if Im partial to "Das Boat"
Marlin, that was a great day of Halloween Boating:)
Kencvit posted 04-05-2008 12:53 AM ET (US)
I don`t get it...
With the 466pd yamaha on the 2004 hull I can get water in the scuppers.
highanddry with his 430pd opti said he can get water in and I think he has the same year hull, 2004.
...and tunnelrat and and scottgrey with the heaviest 510 verado say they don`t get water in similiar conditions?
With the verados these are 2007 or newer hulls right?
Whats different? Has BW changed the flaps in the scupper to prevent water from flowing back in? A different make? style?
I can see the yiddel saying he`s dry . At 348pd 2stroke
is 150 pounds less than the verado...that makes sense.
I realize there are variables here but the heavier verado`s should mean the stern is lower and more likely to have back flow from the scuppers?

alfred posted 04-05-2008 01:47 AM ET (US)
On my 18 Outrage Classic, If I leave the bilge plug out, deck will get wet, but just only. If I step on it will get about an inch or so of water, so I keep the plug in and have installed a bilge pump. So far I have only used the pump to clear water used to wash down the deck if it has been blooded by fish.
I started this thread because of the difference in design of the 18 and 190. On the 18 there is the transom well to catch water that comes in from the scuppers and over the transom. On the 190 there is no well to contain the water from the scuppers, so I was wondering if I would have to contend with a wet deck.
So I am just wondering - from Kencvit's last post, is there a float level difference between the 190 Nantucket and 190 Outrage? Or maybe the decks are at a different level?? no cant be as the freeboard is the same right?
Also instead of starting a new thread, is the livewell issue fixed on the Outrage?
Yiddil posted 04-05-2008 12:33 PM ET (US)
Alfred, Your first post was "Will the deck stay dry with 2x90kg guys standing in the back?" the answer is Yes!and on the 18 classic with the plug out No!
Like I said before, the two outrages are completly differnt animals...and yes you can do the plug thing on one and not the other...The plug is in the bildge on the Post Classic Outrage...
The hulls on the later "outrage and the older nantucket" are identical...unless I'm mistaken...
the issue of the Live well only happened to a few on here and across the wide spectrum of nantucket/outrage owners from what Chuck told me at Boston Whaler. his words were posted here in past threads so i don't think you have much to worry about. In his words'Use the damned thing, you have a warrenty, and go catch some big fish and send me the photos or the fish" I never had an issue but a few did, but I asked chuck about it.
ken, I don't get it either, if your lighter, you should be dryer than the heavier Engines if everything else is the same. Is it possible the scuppers have a different set up? I just don't know. I do know I have never seen any nantucket fill with any amount of water from it's scuppers...so i am wondering it maybe they are a bit faulty and need to be replaced? Is you static trim that different from others? I dought it...has to be the scuppers, not the engine and weight...is my guess...anyone else got any ideas?
I would call BW Ken and ask them directly...If you need chucks email holler....My BEst, Henry AKA THE YIDDIL
highanddry posted 04-05-2008 12:50 PM ET (US)
The hull on a Nantucket 190 and Outrage 190 are the same down to a gnats a---s. The only differences are the side graphic stripes, horn location seems to move around on the console, later Nantuckets and Outrage seem to have a different console door--smaller, uh, that is about it. I know this as fact since I have measured them to be the same. It is fact upo through last year.
Your concern are unwarranted. Some water will come in a scupper with a lot of weight in the back. The 190 is a very dry boat. The 190 is a larger and heaier boat than the old and busted down, water logged and out dated OR18.
There is a transom well on the OR190.
No water collects in the tiny bilge of the Nan190 or OR190, it is essentially sealed from the self bailing deck.
If a wave breaks over the bow, the water flows out the cut transom and the rest clears throgh the scuppers at deck level.
Again, the deck level, freeboard, scupper position etc are the same on the Nan190 and OR190.
Your question seems to be evolving.
I have seen many highly regarded offshore boats get water in the scuppers when a lot of weight is concentrated aft. This is because the scuppers are positoned as low as possible on purpose to facilitate draining at a typical--TYPICAL loading.
if you find a dryer 19 foot boat than the nan/OR190 then buy it, I doubt you will.

H&D
alfred posted 04-05-2008 09:14 PM ET (US)
Cheers guys!
JoeyP posted 04-06-2008 09:44 PM ET (US)
Just comparing engine weight, I saw it first hand this weekend. A Nantucket with a 150 Opti and after market t-top sitting next to an 07 190 with 150 Verado. Both in the water. The 190 with the Verado squatted lower in the water at the stern than the Nantucket. So that extra weight makes some difference.
highanddry posted 04-07-2008 10:45 AM ET (US)
It would have to, it is a heavier powerplant.

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Author	Topic: 190 Outrage deck level
alfred	posted 03-29-2008 06:58 AM ET (US) Will the deck stay dry with 2x90kg guys standing in the back?
TunnelRat	posted 03-31-2008 04:32 PM ET (US) Took me a while to do the "kilo" math. Anyway, two 200 pound guys sitting in the back won't be any problem at all, but it will help you out (and be more comfortable for them)if they stand at the console.
alfred	posted 04-01-2008 07:22 AM ET (US) Thanks. I just wanted to know because on my 18 Outrage, when I have 2 adults at the back say when gaffing a fish or bringing a big one on, the engine well gets 4-5 inches in it and on days when the waves are big, they sometimes come over the transom cut out making the boat sit even lower. So far I only had water wash over the engine well separator onto the main deck once, when I had 2 other guys on and all of us were at the back bringing on a big samson fish and that was no fun! I know the transom of the 190 is different, but I have yet to see one as there are none in West Australia.
Marlin	posted 04-01-2008 07:51 AM ET (US) Here's a good view of how the classic 18 and the 190's transoms compare. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/GoldenDaze/Potomac%20Halloween/ PA310039.jpg -Bob
alfred	posted 04-01-2008 08:56 AM ET (US) Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! That is a great pic!
boatdryver	posted 04-01-2008 09:32 AM ET (US) When Alfred first asked the question, I thought he was referring to water coming in through the self bailing scuppers if two big guys were standing at the transom. does anyone know the answer to this? I was on a friend's 1996 Dauntless 18 center console and with two big guys at the console the water entered the scuppers and crept up a couple of feet from the helm seat, if the boat was stationary. JmL
alfred	posted 04-01-2008 09:36 AM ET (US) Actually that was the question, but I had to acknowledge the great pic! Have learnt here that I need to be patient and someone will eventually contribute. You folks collectively have all the info anyone could want on BWs!
Kencvit	posted 04-02-2008 01:04 AM ET (US) Thats the the Yiddel on his 190 nantucket/outrage. You can see the port scupper drain well above the waterline, the starboard not visible, its under the swim platform/ladder. Henry(yiddel) has the benefit of a mercury 115 2 stroke which is very light at something like 385 pds? I have the 150 Yamaha at 466 pds on my 190. Opti`s are 430 and Verados are 510 I think(the heaviest). Depending on sea state, passengers, fuel load , if your live well is full and your motor weight (and kicker if you have) you can get water through the scuppers. My example,drift fishing, with a halftank of fuel 30 gal.,livewell full, one person at the helm, 2 people(200 per person) at the rear quarters you are OK . move both people at the back to the same side and you will get some water at that scupper drain ,an inch or so for a foot on average . If your drifting and waves are hitting the stern or your backing down you can get some water too ,but you usually need to have 2 people in that quarter. With just 2 200pders at the console only you will not get any water.You have to have the fat guys right at the back. The scuppers have flaps but they tend to float up to let water in. The drains for the motor well are normally at the water level and there is usually water there an inch or more depending but I have never had water over the motor well. I think the only way you could get that is from a wave breaking over the stern. That has happened to me a couple of times and I`ve had water come to the console but it drained out fast through the 2 scuppers without requiring forward motion. I don`t find it much of an issue but have had a few complaints from some of my passengers of getting their running shoes wet in the fall...I tell them they`re supposed to be wearing boots in cold conditions ;-)
alfred	posted 04-02-2008 05:15 AM ET (US) Kencvit Thank you for the info. That was what I was looking for. Now I hope someone with a 150 Verado will chip in, as all the boats that I have short listed are with 150 Verados. I will not be fitting a kicker, but will always have full tanks (as I normally fish the FADs 32 miles offshore) and I am likely to use the live well when I fish most of the time. I weigh about 180lbs and my mates if they come along are in that range too. Most of the time I solo it.
JoeyP	posted 04-02-2008 09:02 AM ET (US) Alfred I believe wmeier is about to take delivery on an 08 190 with a 150 Verado next week or so. He will be the guy to talk to about that very question. I'm interested as well as I too am about to upgrade to that very same boat.
alfred	posted 04-02-2008 09:05 AM ET (US) How do I contact him?
TunnelRat	posted 04-02-2008 12:32 PM ET (US) I have a 150 Verado on mine. It sometimes fish with a 350 pounder plus his 12 year old son. They both prefer to sit in the back seats (not sure why). I don't get water through the scuppers. I almost always fish with full fuel tank and conditions are sometimes rough.
alfred	posted 04-03-2008 05:26 AM ET (US) Thank you!
highanddry	posted 04-03-2008 08:56 AM ET (US) My 150 Opti powered Nantucket will get a little water in the scuppers if I have the boat loaded with scuba tanks, ice, full live well, full fuel and four or five people especially if we are hanging out in the back deck.
alfred	posted 04-03-2008 09:04 AM ET (US) Looks like it will suitable for me. I generally fish alone, but sometimes have a buddy onboard. Only time I will likely have more then 2 is when the wife and kids come along. How is the ride compared to the 18 Outrage?
Scott Grey	posted 04-04-2008 04:59 PM ET (US) I have a 190 outrage with a 150 verado. The only time I believe I have ever had any water come back thru the deck drains is when I was sitting on the rear seat putting my dive gear on with 4 80 cubic foot air tanks, weights and all in the rear of the boat. I weigh around 260lbs. Even then it was only enough to wet the back of my feet. Oh and I have a 82 lb thrust trolling motor on the same side of the transome. I fish 2 adults off the back all the time in the intracoastal and can't recall ever having water come back in... I don't think it's a problem!
Yiddil	posted 04-04-2008 09:31 PM ET (US) Hi people...That 115 classic of mine weights in at 348,not 385:) (Ken:) She's really lighter than anything else out there on a Nantucket/Outrage that I have seen.Thats what helps her go so good:) I have been on Scotts 18 classic w a 150 Yamaha 2 stroke and have to pull a large person out of the Chesapeake Bay swim and it put 2-3 inches of water in the stern area of his outrage...I was suprized...my boat shoes were underwater!. it's not a problem cause he just pulled the plug and moved forward and she emptied out, then he re-installed the drain plug. I have never seen a Nantucket/Outrage have water back up through the scuppers, or fill like that not even with a Verado 150 which is a huge 510 lbs. i don't think BW would put that engine on her if they knew of a problem with the scuppers. Some time ago someone said they build the nantucket for the verado:) In 2004 there was no verados or ETECs, although the ETECs are way less weight than the Verados. The stern of "Das BOat" compared to Kamies 18 classic Outrage is so very different. Scott's was like Kamie's. although i belive Kamie has a bilge or even two placed in the stern to help with drainage. If you look at the specs on each of these boats you will see the reasons for differences between Nantucket/Outrage post classic and the classic outrage. There hulls along with most everything else are different. They are very dfferernt animals. I think it's a matter of personal preference which ride you like but they are very different.There has been a lot said about both on here, just check the prior posts. Before anyone has a baby, there both great boats even if Im partial to "Das Boat" Marlin, that was a great day of Halloween Boating:)
Kencvit	posted 04-05-2008 12:53 AM ET (US) I don`t get it... With the 466pd yamaha on the 2004 hull I can get water in the scuppers. highanddry with his 430pd opti said he can get water in and I think he has the same year hull, 2004. ...and tunnelrat and and scottgrey with the heaviest 510 verado say they don`t get water in similiar conditions? With the verados these are 2007 or newer hulls right? Whats different? Has BW changed the flaps in the scupper to prevent water from flowing back in? A different make? style? I can see the yiddel saying he`s dry . At 348pd 2stroke is 150 pounds less than the verado...that makes sense. I realize there are variables here but the heavier verado`s should mean the stern is lower and more likely to have back flow from the scuppers?
alfred	posted 04-05-2008 01:47 AM ET (US) On my 18 Outrage Classic, If I leave the bilge plug out, deck will get wet, but just only. If I step on it will get about an inch or so of water, so I keep the plug in and have installed a bilge pump. So far I have only used the pump to clear water used to wash down the deck if it has been blooded by fish. I started this thread because of the difference in design of the 18 and 190. On the 18 there is the transom well to catch water that comes in from the scuppers and over the transom. On the 190 there is no well to contain the water from the scuppers, so I was wondering if I would have to contend with a wet deck. So I am just wondering - from Kencvit's last post, is there a float level difference between the 190 Nantucket and 190 Outrage? Or maybe the decks are at a different level?? no cant be as the freeboard is the same right? Also instead of starting a new thread, is the livewell issue fixed on the Outrage?
Yiddil	posted 04-05-2008 12:33 PM ET (US) Alfred, Your first post was "Will the deck stay dry with 2x90kg guys standing in the back?" the answer is Yes!and on the 18 classic with the plug out No! Like I said before, the two outrages are completly differnt animals...and yes you can do the plug thing on one and not the other...The plug is in the bildge on the Post Classic Outrage... The hulls on the later "outrage and the older nantucket" are identical...unless I'm mistaken... the issue of the Live well only happened to a few on here and across the wide spectrum of nantucket/outrage owners from what Chuck told me at Boston Whaler. his words were posted here in past threads so i don't think you have much to worry about. In his words'Use the damned thing, you have a warrenty, and go catch some big fish and send me the photos or the fish" I never had an issue but a few did, but I asked chuck about it. ken, I don't get it either, if your lighter, you should be dryer than the heavier Engines if everything else is the same. Is it possible the scuppers have a different set up? I just don't know. I do know I have never seen any nantucket fill with any amount of water from it's scuppers...so i am wondering it maybe they are a bit faulty and need to be replaced? Is you static trim that different from others? I dought it...has to be the scuppers, not the engine and weight...is my guess...anyone else got any ideas? I would call BW Ken and ask them directly...If you need chucks email holler....My BEst, Henry AKA THE YIDDIL
highanddry	posted 04-05-2008 12:50 PM ET (US) The hull on a Nantucket 190 and Outrage 190 are the same down to a gnats a---s. The only differences are the side graphic stripes, horn location seems to move around on the console, later Nantuckets and Outrage seem to have a different console door--smaller, uh, that is about it. I know this as fact since I have measured them to be the same. It is fact upo through last year. Your concern are unwarranted. Some water will come in a scupper with a lot of weight in the back. The 190 is a very dry boat. The 190 is a larger and heaier boat than the old and busted down, water logged and out dated OR18. There is a transom well on the OR190. No water collects in the tiny bilge of the Nan190 or OR190, it is essentially sealed from the self bailing deck. If a wave breaks over the bow, the water flows out the cut transom and the rest clears throgh the scuppers at deck level. Again, the deck level, freeboard, scupper position etc are the same on the Nan190 and OR190. Your question seems to be evolving. I have seen many highly regarded offshore boats get water in the scuppers when a lot of weight is concentrated aft. This is because the scuppers are positoned as low as possible on purpose to facilitate draining at a typical--TYPICAL loading. if you find a dryer 19 foot boat than the nan/OR190 then buy it, I doubt you will. H&D
alfred	posted 04-05-2008 09:14 PM ET (US) Cheers guys!
JoeyP	posted 04-06-2008 09:44 PM ET (US) Just comparing engine weight, I saw it first hand this weekend. A Nantucket with a 150 Opti and after market t-top sitting next to an 07 190 with 150 Verado. Both in the water. The 190 with the Verado squatted lower in the water at the stern than the Nantucket. So that extra weight makes some difference.
highanddry	posted 04-07-2008 10:45 AM ET (US) It would have to, it is a heavier powerplant.