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JoeyP posted 04-02-2008 02:36 PM ET (US)   Profile for JoeyP   Send Email to JoeyP  
I am in the process of upgrading to a [2008] 190 Outrage from my [2005] 170 Montauk. I am at an impasse right now over the [decision] of getting a T-top which is now an available option from Boston Whaler. Putting money aside for a split second, is it practical to have a T-top on a 19-foot boat? I'm considering fish casting ability, passengers over 6-foot 2-inches tall, and performance. I plan on keeping the boat in the water during the season so trailering is not going to be a problem. Any input will be appreciated.
Perry posted 04-02-2008 04:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I have a custom made T-Top on my 190 Outrage. I like it because I fish a lot and its nice not having straps or poles to get in the way when fighting a fish like a bimini has. It provides good shade and plenty of head room for my brother who is 6'2". Two people can cast (one from bow & one aft). I lost 2.5 MPH top speed but that doesn't really bother me. The boat handles just about the same as it did before I had the T-Top installed.

I'm glad I had the T-Top installed; here is a pic:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/?action=view& current=Picture158.jpg

BlueMax posted 04-02-2008 05:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
K-Bay!!!!
Feejer posted 04-02-2008 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Sweet combo, T-Top and a Honda hanging off the back
JoeyP posted 04-02-2008 07:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Perry
Nice set up. Your top looks to be a little taller than the factory Boston Whaler top. For the factory top, I measured 77" from the deck to the outside of the top and measured 75" from the deck to the cross supports over the helm. I also took the same measurements on an 08 21 Outrage sitting next to the 190 at the dealer. The max speed with the 150 Verado shows up as 44.3 MPH with the Mirage 15 1/2X 17 prop.
Perry posted 04-02-2008 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Thanks for the comments guys. BlueMax, I thought you would like that shot, fond memories of K-Bay?

Joey, Boston Whaler might be conservative with those top speed numbers. I think the 190 Outrage with a Verado 150 should be able to reach 47 MPH. I top out at 44 MPH with the Honda BF135 and T-Top. I am sure you will be happy with the 190 Outrage.

Kencvit posted 04-02-2008 11:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kencvit  Send Email to Kencvit     
I like Perry`s set-up too and see the advantages of the T-top....but I have the bimini so I`ll say what I think are its advantages.
1. it covers a bigger area so your more protected from the weather,the sun but more importantly for me the rain, we fish a lot in the fall in the rain...not an issue for Perry in Hawaii ;-)
2. you can fold the bimini forward and put a boot on in in a few minutes eliminating 2 poles and 2 straps for better fishing.
3. you can drop the bimini right down to the stern for total side access fishing although the bimini is then kinda cluttering the back of the boat.
4.Underway or getting on or off the boat the bimini side poles and straps make good hand holds.
5.you can suspend stuff from the crossmembers. I have 4 red battery powered LED lights for night lighting(designed for bikes ) that can stay on when the bimini is folded up.
6.Clearance height...when you have to deal with a low bridge ( I have 2 that to get to one marina in high water I`d have to drop the bimini), when trailering, getting into a service shop or storage garage you can drop the bimini.
7.It looks real good with a matching forward shelter which I have and have up 90% of the time (a connector between the two is also an option)
8.Its alot cheaper...mine came with the boat but I`m guessing its a $1000 option compared to $4000 to $5000 for the T-top.
9. Its lighter,the whole bimini weight is about 50 pds. I don`t know what the T-top would be....
In the end though...its personal preference and application that decides it.
Tohsgib posted 04-03-2008 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
How much is the top? If under $3k with a radio box...might be worth it due to the fact a nice SS bimini is like $750. If you are in windy areas, the top will mess with you big time on a 19' which is marginal for a t-top. I like biminis because in cooler weather you can fold them down or remove them so you don't freez being out of the sun. They are also key if you find a low bridge that a top won't fit under. Nice thing about tops is handholds, electronics storage, and looks. Downsides are height restrictions, sun restrictions, weight, cost, and wind resistence. Down here you can gt a nice custom top for under $2k so OEM would never get my money. Whaler also uses a kinda cheesey & small radio box in my opinion.
boatdryver posted 04-03-2008 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
JoeyP, I went through a similar process about T-top or not, and the boat I ended up buying in February happened to have a factory T-top from Whaler on it on it. After putting all of 10 hours on the boat since then here's my input, cost aside:

Towing: I can't tell the difference, but the towing speed limit here is 55 mph

Windage while docking or drift fishing: small difference so far, not hard to deal with; could be bad at 20 Kt plus.

Effect on speed: If its 2 mph I don't care.

Stowage bag hanging from the top: very handy-holds 4-6 big PFD's

Multiple hand holds for the co-pilot in rough water at speed and for all hands while drifting in the ocean: a greater plus than I expected.

Gives the option of a clear plastic windshield above the console windscreen : I haven't done this yet but probably will; Otherwise my face freezes when I stand up a lot of year in San Francisco bay..

Fitting a full boat cover: more difficult than without a T top. I was quoted $2K for a custom cover which I passed on. I'm awaiting my second one to try from Taylor Made for $375. The first one should have fit but didn't because Whaler artfully curves the foreword vertical tubing on their T -tops so far foreword I have to go for the next longer size, which will not be as tight fitting.

Sun protection for people and plotter screen: Can't be as good as a Bimini.

And last but not least, the macho (or is it Mojo) look: PRICELESS :)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c391/boatdryver/P1010006.jpg

JimL

JoeyP posted 04-03-2008 07:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
The factory top will cost me $4100.00 if I so choose it. Its basically a fixed top with a bimini style cover-Sunbrella or something like that. No electronics box. I have a pic of it I just need to figure out how to post it. My concern is the headroom height and any performance issues that may be hampered. I don't know if anyone actually has a new 190 with the factory top yet since the option is new for 08. So I'm just trying to get an idea before becomming the test case myself.
Jordi posted 04-03-2008 08:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jordi    
Joey,
I have a factory T top on my 210 Outrage and I am very satisfied with fit and finish. Much better set up for fishing in my opinion. I like the protection it offers "cage like enclosure". You never know in Florida when the next ray is flying your way. The 190 and 210 Outage share the same console.
Jordi
Perry posted 04-03-2008 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I forgot to mention that the 4 rocket launchers on my T-Top are nice to get the rods up and away from the salt spray. It is also nice to have a platform to mount a VHF antenna and outriggers.
erik selis posted 04-04-2008 02:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Perry,

I think your 190 looks awesome. I didn't know you had a T-Top installed. In any case it looks great and so does your fine Honda engine....and not to mention the location you are in. Oh well, time for some daydreaming behind my desk I guess :-)

Erik

Perry posted 04-04-2008 02:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Thanks Erik.

If you ever decide to travel to my neck of the woods, I'd be happy to take you fishing in the clear blue water here.

erik selis posted 04-04-2008 04:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Thanks Perry, I just may one day take you up on that very kind invite. That also goes for you if you ever feel the need to get away from the paradise you are in hehe. Our weather is quite different ...

Erik

JoeyP posted 04-04-2008 09:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
If I did this right......this is the link to the photos of the 08 190 Outrage with the factory top.

http://s276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/speterswc/190%20T-Top/ ?action=share

JoeyP posted 04-04-2008 09:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Disregard that last one.....I have to work on it, sorry.
Tohsgib posted 04-04-2008 10:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
$4100 and no box...hahahahaha

Man Whaler loves sticking it to ya!

Scott Grey posted 04-04-2008 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Scott Grey  Send Email to Scott Grey     
Just remember guys, you get what you pay for! After touring the Whaler factory, I personally have yet to see a T-top that even comes close to [Boston Whaler] factory tops. I have a beautiful, heavy duty t-top on my 190 outrage that isn't factory and it ran $3,900. Not to say you have to spend $4,000 on a top but you have to see the difference and decide what you need for a top. Do you want a double bow, single bow, canvas, hardtop, gear net, heavy wall tubing,e-box mounts, outrigger mounts, etc. I have some close friends with t-tops that are junk and had to be "rewelded" on several occasions. REWELDING!!! being a certified welder, that is unacceptable to me! I was uncertain when I was looking at first about the t-top. I wanted to be able to cover my boat. I found a cover at Boater's world and Overton's to cover the t-top. Just my opinion..
Scott
aubv posted 04-04-2008 04:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Hi JoeyP,

We really like our T-top on the 23' Outrage and I fly fish from our boat.

We find the protection from the sun actually allows us to spend much longer and multiple days on the water that we could not do with out the T-top.

fwiw.

alfred posted 04-04-2008 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
I am in the process of sourcing a top for the 190 Outrage as well and one that I am considering is

http://www.fishmaster.com/products.htm


Do any of you have one or have seen it?

Perry posted 04-04-2008 08:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Remember when purchasing an after-market T-Top that the feet of the structure need to be positioned right on top of the phenolic pads that are laminated into the deck for a T-Top. Wood diagrams are available from Boston Whaler but I used a stud finder to locate the 8" X 8" pads and marked them with a pencil before taking my boat to the builder of my T-Top. These phenolic pads ensure that the feet of the T-Top are securly fastened to the deck.
alfred posted 04-04-2008 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
How far apart are the pads? Centre to centre?
drd posted 04-06-2008 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for drd  Send Email to drd     
I put a t-top on my 20 outrage last year. It replaced the bimini top the boat had when I first bought it. The advantages easily outweigh the dis-adavantages. First, protection, with an enclosure to break the wind and spray cold/bad weather fishing is a lot more comfortable. All my life jackets go in the top, which opens up room inside the console. the elctronics box also gives dry storage for Keys/wallets/cell phones, etc. The boat now has 360 degree fishability, no more climbing over the bimini which was always in the way. I fish with friends who are 6'4 and they have yet to hit their heads on the top. having the raised rod holders on the top are also nice.
JoeyP posted 04-06-2008 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Scott:
Can you post a picture of your t-top. I'm interested in the head room. thanks.
lakeman posted 04-07-2008 06:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for lakeman  Send Email to lakeman     
I have not seen any mention of the Stainless and fully adjustable T-tops that are in a box ready to install. I saw one at a local dealer, and it looked pretty darn good. The price was about $1500. I have never heard of any complaints or positives about them and the dealer still sells them after 3 or so years.
I will say, I have heard some disaster stories about T-Tops from different fabrication shops and for the most part most manufacturers T-tops are very good.
alfred posted 04-07-2008 06:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
lakeman - do you have a link? I would like to see what options are out there.
JoeyP posted 04-07-2008 09:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Here is a comparison of the factory top vs. an after market top.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn59/Whaler190/Outrage190/ 190T-TopClearance.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn59/Whaler190/Outrage190/ T-TopAfterMarket.jpg

highanddry posted 04-07-2008 11:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
In notice one of those uses the console as part of the structure. The conolse is plenty strong but I do not believe it will hold up in the long run if used to support the T top.

Perry posted 04-08-2008 01:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I agree with highanddry. The deck is the way to secure the T-Top. The constant stress on the console would eventually cause the console to crack where it meets the deck.
Scott Grey posted 04-08-2008 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Scott Grey  Send Email to Scott Grey     
JoeyP,
The t-top on my boat has curved main support tubes that look like the bigger outrage tops. I will take some oday, not sure if I remember how to post them still. I posted some in the past. I could e-mail them to you.
JoeyP posted 04-08-2008 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Scott:
If you get a chance please e-mail them to me. I would appreciate it greatly. Do you know the head clearance of your top off hand?

As far as the after market top, I agree about the forward legs being attached to the console. I would imagine now that a top could be fabricated similiar to the factory one. That after market top was made prior to the Boston Whaler factory top option. The fabricator could now use it as a template and add a few inches in head clearance.

bluewaterpirate posted 04-08-2008 01:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Interesting topic .....

You'd be surprised how many boat dealers in NC order new big Whalers, Gradys, and Regulators without tops. They do this so their customer can get what they want. They all use Gores Wilmington NC (Gores) who is known far and wide for their custom tops. Gores does one hellva job working with customers to design and then manufacture custom tops for their new boats. The price of the tops are figured in the initial purchase price.

Tom

Tohsgib posted 04-08-2008 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Part of the top HAS to be tied into the console but I agree it should not be the main mounting point. The areas mounted to the console are mainly to reduce stress to the floor as well and to stop it from swaying, etc. I have never seen a quality top that did not attach somewhere to the console. The top like JoeyP showed(aftermarket) is your joe-standard aftermarket top down here and can be had for under $2k with radio box. For a few extra dollars you can have it made anyway you want, curvey, radically wavey, etc. Just remember...how will look after 10 years...too trendy? Sometimes K.I.S.S makes a lot of sense.
wood duck posted 04-08-2008 03:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for wood duck  Send Email to wood duck     
bluewaterpirate,I cannot find Gore anywhere on the internet. Can you help ? Thanks.

Vince

bluewaterpirate posted 04-08-2008 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Wood .....

They're old fashion and have no web site. Business is always out the door for them. Here's their phone # and location.

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/534032/748510/ 38985239/file.jpg

Terrific folks to do business with.

Tom

Scott Grey posted 04-09-2008 01:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Scott Grey  Send Email to Scott Grey     
JoeyP,
Sent you the pictures of my t-top. Feel free to post if needed for others to see.
mgeiger posted 04-10-2008 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for mgeiger    
On Last week's episode of Ship Shape Boating, John was working on his personal Nantucket (190) - He has added a T-Top.
JoeyP posted 04-10-2008 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Scott
Thanks for the photos. Do you have a need for trim tabs on your boat. I see that Boston Whaler recommends them if you get the
t-top option.
Scott Grey posted 04-14-2008 04:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Scott Grey  Send Email to Scott Grey     
I'm not against them by any means, but I don't have tabs on mine and I don't really need them. If you had alot of weight (excess of 600 lbs. in the back) you might need them. We usually have 3-6 people and quite often 8 on board and haven't really ever needed them. I can stay on plan at around 18-21 mph. I would like to ride/drive a 190 with tabs to see the difference they make. If it needed them that bad I would add them.
JoeyP posted 04-14-2008 09:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
I'm just wondering if you would need them under slightly windy conditions to prevent the boat from listing away from the wind.

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