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CLK posted 08-04-2008 02:47 PM ET (US)   Profile for CLK  
Saw some pics of the 2009 models of Sport and Outrage.

Sports: The classic look of Sport 13 and Sport 15 are gone. The new models will be called SuperSports, and they don't resemble the classic look. They have multi-colored, upholstered bucket seats, come in a variety of different hull colors, like the larger Outrages; I saw a blue, green, and chocolate). Also, saw a picture of a Sport with a round livewell and clear top, in the stern area, starboard side. The lines on the new Sport models are quite different.

Outrages: Saw a new 22-foot Outrage with a 300 Verado on the back. The new Outrages have three-sided glass enclosed T-Tops like on the Everglades boats. The seats look more bucket-style than the usual pedestal seats. The one I saw was a chocolate brown and white color combo.

Asked if they were any changes to the 305 or 345 Conquest; answer was no.

I'm going back again today and will take a harder look. Will ask about changes to the other models.

Cheers!
~CLK

themclos posted 08-04-2008 05:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for themclos  Send Email to themclos     
CLK,

I would love to see pictures of the 22-foot Outrage, if you are able to take any.

You're not looking for a third boat now, are you? ;)

Dan

CLK posted 08-04-2008 05:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

More info:

Sports: The sports also have an internal handrail, which is aft the seating, on both port and starboard sides. Also, the seat have high backrests - hence my first impression of them as bucket-type seats; think sports car.

Outrages: Aside from the 22-foot Outrage, I also saw a 25-footer with twin 200 Verado motors, and a 28-footer with twin 300 Verado motors. The livewells on both boats had clear acrylic tops. Also, the metal on T-tops was powder-coated, like the Edgewater and Everglade boats.

Didn't get a look at pricing, but I'm guessing due to inflation (particularly for petro based products like boats), most will be 5 to 8-percent higher than last year, even models which haven't changed.

Cheers!
~CLK

CLK posted 08-04-2008 05:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    
Hey Dan - Nope ;-)

Forgot to mention - No design changes to the Dauntless and Montauk models. Not sure about the Ventura, but I doubt any changes were made.

The Sports REALLY look different. I mean, there's NOTHING classic looking about them. Also, the internal handrails--I just don't know!

Cheers!
~CLK

Perry posted 08-05-2008 03:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
CLK, what changes were made to the Outrage line-up?

What Outrage models were discontinued?

Jordi posted 08-05-2008 08:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jordi    
Sounds like the Outrage 190, 210, 240 and 270 will be discontinued. Have the hulls changed considerably? When will they be delivered?
Jordi
jimh posted 08-05-2008 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
My email INBOX is always ready to receive digital images, especially scans of new Boston Whaler boat photographs.
jimh posted 08-05-2008 09:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
2009 Boston Whaler 220 OUTRAGE
erik selis posted 08-05-2008 09:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Nice boat but what a waste of space in the back. I have more room in my 170 Montauk. Unbelievable.

Erik

blkmtrfan posted 08-05-2008 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for blkmtrfan  Send Email to blkmtrfan     
Any more pictures?

What about the sports?

CLK posted 08-05-2008 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hi Perry,

>>>what changes were made to the Outrage line-up?

The thing that stood out the most, was the integrated hardtop & 3 sided winsheild. Jim has posted a pic above, of what I beleive is the new 22' Outrage - and obviously this option (hardtop & windsheild) isn't on it. I got a chance to briefly look at some pics of the new 2009s - and the legal adage about eye witness testimony being unreliable - well case in point :-) Apologies for the confusion.

However - I still have faith in my mental comprehension & retention, that this option is on the larger 25' & 28' Outrages. Also, I still beleive I saw the metal on the T-tops powder coated.

>>>What Outrage models were discontinued?

I don't know, but based my recollection of seeing a 22', a 25' & a 28' Outrage models - it might be safe to guess that the 210s, 240s & 270s have been replaced. I have no idea about the 19'.

Hi Jordi,

>>>Have the hulls changed considerably?

I don't know, but I would doubt it.

>>>When will they be delivered?

I don't know.

Once again - apologies for any info that was, or might be inaccurate. If I get a chance, I'll try & sneak another peak at them, or perhaps Jim can get more pics, too.

Cheers!
~CLK

Jordi posted 08-05-2008 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jordi    
CLK,
Thanks for the information and Jim the picture is very informative. The new 220 looks like a mini "old" 240 Outrage. Console appears to accommodate a head and rear aft seats look like they are replaced with a bench. This is going to be one of those re-designs you either love or hate based on the visceral transom re-design comments we have seen on this forum. I personally think she is a sweet American girl with a European flair...."how bad can that be". Can't wait to take her out for a spin.
Jordi

SJUAE posted 08-05-2008 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
Dam, if I was CLK I would now be considering changing my old 210 for a new 220 or would it be a 250 or 280 or 305 or 345 :)

Shame if the 190/210 are gone.

I guess the new transom gets over the criticism of removing swamped water faster over the older one.

The new 3 sided top sounds interesting. I was considering a modified curtain for my 210 should I ever leave sunny UAE as its only 2 days a year the rain would stop you going out here.

Regards
Steve

WT posted 08-05-2008 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
I'd love to sea trial a 220 Outrage with a 300 Verado. I'm sure the new hull was designed specifically to accommodate the Verados.

Warren

jimh posted 08-05-2008 09:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I think the 22-foot hull is a very important focus in the product line. A 22-footer is a great size. You can still generally tow it on the highway with a half-ton truck, and due to the limited beam you don't need special permits. With a 22-foot hull you can really go places, including far offshore if you like. Thus a 22-foot boat is an important product segment.

I would like to see more pictures of this new boat before forming an opinion. I just spent a week living aboard my classic 22-footer, and I have to say, in all honesty, there is not a lot I want to change about my boat.

bluewaterpirate posted 08-05-2008 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
I've heard the 220 will have 21 degrees of deadrise at the transom, an 8' 6" beam, 3600 lbs (dry weight) and carry 110/125 gallons of gas (heard two different figures). It's specifically targets the near to midoffshore fisherman.

The 240 is history that will replaced by the 250. The numbers I've heard on the 250 are 22 deadrise at the transom 8' 9" or 9' 1" beam , 4200 lbs dry weight, 165 gallons of gas. It's target group is the offshore fisherman.

The 280 is kind of a mystery but should replace the 270.

I've also heard the 210 will go away. Heard one more interesting item and that is next year the Ventura 210 will be replaced by the Ventura 220 based on the 220 hull, just a rumor nothing firm.

That's what I've heard.

Tom

Stinger23OR posted 08-05-2008 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Stinger23OR  Send Email to Stinger23OR     
Looking at jimh's pic of the new Outrage 220, do you think the ped. seats will interchange with a leaning post like the current 190?
onlyawhaler posted 08-06-2008 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
I really like the looks of this 22 Outrage from what I can see. When integrating family with fishing, this one could really work for me.

It has the livewell off the rear transom and also a livewell/cooler built into the twin seats which appear to have a flip up bolster. Nice console, great looking t-top. I know the classic squared off transom is desirable for fishing, but not so much for families. A walk through transom, ski pylon off the outside (interesting design, will it pull a tube) works better for kids or grandkids.

It is sleek, a towable size and really good looking.

Onlyawhaler

CLK posted 08-06-2008 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Got some more info & pics:

The 130 Superspot: This boat will come from the factory with the helm, interanl handrails & in only 2 versions - with or without side & bowrails. After that, all other options are modular. Meaning the seats, & number of seats, the livewell, etc. will be added at the dealerships.

Below are some pics:






The Outrages: Didn't get any new info regarding the 190 OR. Nothing really more to add, other than the T-Tops are powder coated, with the exception of the 220. On a personal note - I really think these Outrages look like fishing machines (particularly the 250 & 280) - the aft seating draws, livewell & prep area, look great.

Below are some pics
The 220 Outrage:

The 250 Outrage:

The 280 Outrage:


Cheers!
~CLK

bluewaterpirate posted 08-06-2008 02:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Thanks CL ..... the Outrage designs are offshore for sure. It will be interesting to see the specs on these models.

Tom

CLK posted 08-06-2008 02:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    
Hey Tom - No problem!

>>>It will be interesting to see the specs on these models.

I agree. I know the '08 210 Outrage, w/ a 225 Verado on the back - got up & moved out!

Unless the new '09 220 Outrage w/ a 300 Verdado is alot heavier then the 210 - it should fly!

Cheers!
~CLK

bluewaterpirate posted 08-06-2008 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
The other really interesting item is the twin 300's on the 280. You couldn't get more than twin 225's on the 270. Whaler has always been very cautious in regards to rated horsepower.

CL ..... I'd like your permission to use your photo's on another site.

Thanks ......

Tom

Sal A posted 08-06-2008 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Thanks for the pictures, especially of the 130 Sport.

I just added one to my fleet. I am amazed in the redesign. While I like the interior grab rail, and I speak from experience when I say it is needed, I think the colors detract from the boat. I feel like I am looking at a boarwalk ride on the Jersey shore.

Wait! Maybe Jim should add a new section to CW: Post Modern Classics!

CLK posted 08-06-2008 02:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey Tom - Go ahead.

Hey Sal,

>>>...I think the colors detract from the boat. I feel like I am looking at a boarwalk ride on the Jersey shore.

I agree. I thought they looked like a wake board, or a boggie board.

Congrats on the new addition!

Cheers!
~CLK

SJUAE posted 08-06-2008 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
CLK

The new 220 is very nice I prefer the non powder coated finish as there seems almost too much white on the 250 at least the 280 left the holders uncoated.

Not sure if the glass infill is over the top/telephone booth like.

If the 250/280 seat with luxury bait station fits on the 220 this would be the icing on the cake.

Extra bits over the 210 like windlass and rope locker and built in tabs and porta potty brings all Outrages in to the same class now.

Regards
Steve

CLK posted 08-06-2008 03:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey Steve,

>>>The new 220 is very nice I prefer the non powder coated finish as there seems almost too much white,.....

I agree. Also, perhaps the exposed metal gives it a more stable/beefy look, whereas the white powder coat, subcosciously makes me think of PVC pipeing.

>>>Extra bits over the 210 like windlass and rope locker and built in tabs and porta potty brings all Outrages in to the same class now.

Depends on what they do with 190 Outrage. I don't know & haven't seen any pics. I'll see if I can find anything out about 190 OR, specifically.

Cheers!
~CLK
ps - sorry to hear about your 2 days of rain a year in UAE. If you're even in the Seattle area, look me up & we can take care of that :-)


fishgutz posted 08-06-2008 03:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
From the looks of the 130 Supersport, I'd say "we" are not their target audience/customer.
glen e posted 08-06-2008 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
pain in the ass that Jim only allows pics if he flips the switch...I'd send a $50 dontation now if he would change the software....
poker13 posted 08-06-2008 04:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for poker13    
I like the redesign of the 130. The interior grab rails are a great idea and look good. I also like the bucket seats, and maybe some of the colors. I suppose the bottom of the hull has retained the same shape (?).

The questions I have are: 1) how much weight is all this new stuff going to add? 2) is it still going to be rated at 40 hp max with all that extra weight? 3) how much more is all this going to cost?

blkmtrfan posted 08-06-2008 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for blkmtrfan  Send Email to blkmtrfan     
Great pics thanks CLK

So where are you taking all of them, I don't normally see palm trees in Seattle :)

blkmtrfan posted 08-06-2008 04:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for blkmtrfan  Send Email to blkmtrfan     

With the "super sports" is sure looks like whaler is trying to regain the high end yacht tender market that it lost to RIBs


And I do like the Outrages, 3 new models in one year is impressive.


CLK did you hear anymore about the 220 Ventura?

Jordi posted 08-06-2008 06:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jordi    
CLK,
Thanks for the eye candy, if you can get a "frontal" picture of the 220 or the other Outrages it would be sweet. The 220 with a rumored Verado 300 weighing 3700 pounds should be a serious fishing machine. I hope the MSRP of the 220 Outrage well equipped does not go over $75,000. That is a lot of bacon for a 22 foot fishing rig. Let’s hope that Boston Whaler delivers....Those palm trees look like the backdrop of the dealers meeting that was held in Florida...hmmmm
Jordi
SC Joe posted 08-06-2008 10:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Awesome pics, but I gotta say I'm not real pleased with what they did to the 13. That was one of the last to look like an "old" whaler. Heck..I liked 13' sport 50th anniversary model.
jimh posted 08-06-2008 10:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Wow--The class of 2009 certainly has broken some new ground.
dnh posted 08-06-2008 10:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for dnh  Send Email to dnh     
Im surprised at the power on the Outrages. No more tank Whalers. They are trying to keep pace with Everglades and Yellowfin. I like the Outrages for the most part. The hulls apparently are much deeper Vs than older Whalers. Not sure about use of transom space in 220 but all in all look like a step in the right direction for sure.
WT posted 08-06-2008 10:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Now if only the new 220 Outrage came with a twin motor option, like the twin 4 cylinder 200's on the 250 Outrage....

Twin 150's or 175's would be acceptable too. :-)

Warren

jimh posted 08-06-2008 11:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
What is the venue for all these pictures? Where are we? Does someone recognize the harbor?
CLK posted 08-06-2008 11:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey,

Hope everyone's enjoying the pics.

As to their origin - I'd prefer not to say for now & hope that's cool w/ everyone.

Cheers!
~CLK

CLK posted 08-07-2008 02:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    
Another thing about the new 130 Supersports:

As I said before - I believe the hulls come to dealers with the helm, interior handrails, & with the option of a bow rail or not. After that - everything is added at the dealership, modular style - seats, etc.

One thing that didn't occur to me is - the colors might also be added - meaning they are essentially a large graphic. The hulls themselves come to the dealer in plain white. Customers can pick & choose a color, if they want.

Cheers!
~CLK

CLK posted 08-07-2008 02:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

.......re: the colors of the 130 Supersports,.....scatch my previous idea.

Forgot about the pic 130 Supersport, inside the hall, which is all white, but the 'Whaler' logo graphic is in red.

The 'Whaler' logo graphic, on the multi-colored hulls, is white.

Cheers!
~CLK

erik selis posted 08-07-2008 04:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Thanks for the pics CLK. Very enlightening indeed. Looks like they've been very busy at Whaler headquarters.

Erik

highanddry posted 08-07-2008 12:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
I hate to break it to the "classic" fogeys but I like these new boats.

highanddry posted 08-07-2008 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Since it looks like three foot jumps on the Outrages then there is still room for the little Outrage 190 at the bottom unles it is dropped and the Montauk 190 fills both shoes --or-----?
nydealer posted 08-07-2008 12:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
190 Outrage is going to stay.

The 220 Outrage is available as single engine or twin 115's.

SC Joe posted 08-07-2008 01:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
I just hate the dealer will be installing basically all the options. I don't know about y'alls dealer experiences...but for my local dealer this isn't a positive. They can't get trailer brakes right!
fishgutz posted 08-07-2008 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
SC Joe,
Buy a bare bones boat and order your parts from Sue at Twin Cities Marine. Do all the work yourself. I did that with an Alumacraft Boat years ago. Of course it wasn't Sue at Twin Cities. The job was done right because I did it.
My rationale: I can do it myself or the dealer can have some kid making 30 cents more than minimum wage do it. I'll bet I'm/you're smarter and will do a better job.
chopbuster posted 08-07-2008 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
Although there is nothing so constant as change, the '09 130 sport looks looks a piece of euro trash.
jimh posted 08-07-2008 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
quote:
The 220 Outrage is available as single engine or twin 115's.

That is a smart move. Guys who like to go offshore are fond of twin engines.

fishgutz posted 08-07-2008 03:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
Chop,
That is what I was thinking but couldn't come up with the word. "Euro" is it.

Wish they offered a tiller. That steering console uses a lot of space. A real waste on a 13 foot boat.

WT posted 08-07-2008 03:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
They forgot to install a radar arch on the 130 Sport. It looks like a miniature "go fast" boat.

Or Boston Whaler can market the 130 Sport as their economy boat. Maybe 14 mpg?

Warren

themclos posted 08-07-2008 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for themclos  Send Email to themclos     
I really like the look of the outrages. Smart decision to support twins on the 22. Gives one the option of heading offshore, weather permitting. Would love to see what the Conquest line looks like.

By the way, Jim, the site renders well on the iPhone, as well as the Blackberry. Unless cost is an issue, and it always is, perhaps one forum could support pictures.

Dan

jimh posted 08-07-2008 08:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If you go back to the old literature of the Boston Whaler company and look at the presentations for the classic 13-footer, you will find that in many cases the boat was shown being used by younger people. You see pictures of the classic 13-footer being used by young boys--not by rich old men. Rich old men get themselves bigger boats than a 13-foot Boston Whaler. Back in 1960 if you were a young boy and you had use of a 13-foot Boston Whaler, well you were about the most popular kid at the lake. When I was a boy in the 1960's the closest I got to a 13-foot Boston Whaler was by going to the public library and getting a copy of YACHTING magazine off the shelf and looking at the advertisements. I would have loved to have one.

Jumping ahead to 2008 or 2009, young people now have access to all sorts of small water craft, including things like 50-MPH Jet-Ski boats (or PWC's). PWC's are usually rather garishly decorated, with purple and yellow hull colors and lots of metal-flake paint. In comparison a plain Desert Tan classic 13-foot Boston Whaler looks like--well it looks like a boat for a rich old man to use as a dingy. Kids are not particularly attracted to plain old dingy-like boats. They want something with a bit more zip.

WIth the new 2009 series of 13-foot Boston Whalers, younger people will have a boat that is more in their range of style and design. This is certainly what Boston Whaler is aiming for; a boat that a young person would be interested in having.

Overall the lines of the new 13-footer are suggestive of the recent 20-foot and 22-foot DAUNTLESS boats. Those are attractive boats (in my opinion) and the 13-footer has much of their style.

Another great innovation with these new boats is the modular design. This is really just like we see in the car industry with small sporty cars called "tuners." There is the base boat, but there are all sorts of options which can be added. And the options do not have to be added at the initial manufacture. You can get the boat rather bare, then add stuff on it when you have more money. It's just like the "tuner" cars--you can bolt on some custom features to make your car (or boat) different and unique.

The colors seen on the hull are not molded into the gel coat layer. The colors are applied with appliques or decals. You can jazz up the boat with decals of many colors.

By the way, a little research with GOOGLE and Street Level Mapping makes me believe that these pictures are all from the Boston Whaler dealer meeting two weeks ago in Tampa-St. Pete, Florida.

highanddry posted 08-07-2008 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Euro trash or not since the dollar is worthless and they have all the money I guess Whaler decided to market to them since all you old guys would not buy a new one even if it was a dead ringer for the original.

I think they are clean and modern and still look like a Whaler. I don't see any other similar hulls or other small boats that are as stylish and functional as these, a classic blend for the next 50 years.

chopbuster posted 08-07-2008 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
When any given company employs the always treacherous boardroom mentality of "lets run it up the flag pole and see if it flys", runs the risk of eventually losing its core identity and from whence they came.

That '09 130 looks more like a brunswick sea ray that bore
a genetic defect.

highanddry posted 08-07-2008 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Except that is not what they did and you are not the market because your not in the market.

Don't buy one, you were not going to anyways.

Everything Brusnwick, Mercury and Boston Whaler does gets bashed on this board continually.

CLK posted 08-07-2008 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey highanddry,

>>>Everything Brusnwick, Mercury and Boston Whaler does gets bashed on this board continually.

Maybe so - but I'm not letting that stop me! :-)

Also, the more I look at that last pic of the sports (white color Sport on stand, in hall), the more I like it. I think the colors, more than anything else, initially turned me off. I generally like all white - my car's white - I like a clean look.

Cheers!
~CLK

phatwhaler posted 08-07-2008 11:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
Definitely the docks across the street from the Vinoy.

St. Petersburg.

chopbuster posted 08-07-2008 11:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
What he said.
erik selis posted 08-08-2008 03:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
The 220 Outrage is a very nice boat. Being able to mount twin engines on the transom is a very smart move as well. I still think they could have saved some space in the back though.
I wonder how far the cowling of that 300 Verado goes when fully trimmed up? May be one of the reasons the bulkhead is move inward as far as it is. No offence to any Verado fans, just a thought about the design criteria.

Erik

Jordi posted 08-08-2008 07:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jordi    
Erik,
You raise a good point. There is not much room in the back between the livewell and the transom. In the current 210 Outrage you can place a cooler in the middle and have two passengers sitting in the aft seats and be comfortable. In the 220 once the bench seat is lowered there is not much room for coolers, gear etc while fishing. It seems in the 220 four individuals can go offshore comfortably but once fishing begins there is not a lot of room to move around the rear of the boat. Perhaps good for "bonding", not sure very practical in a long fishing trip. However, there is plenty of room for one or two individuals to enjoy the fishing. Cramped fishing get's old if you’re not catching and is immaterial if you are catching fish. That's the beauty of a day on the water enjoying the elements (fish). Chopbuster, "flag poles and genetic defects"....Hmmmm (try changing your bait, a little chumming helps)
Tight lines,
Jordi
bluewaterpirate posted 08-08-2008 08:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
The 220 is just like my Ventura 210 and believe me there is more than adequate room in the back to fish four people. As to the the design of the 210 stern it does have a great set back but I'll take the 220's stern design all day for fishing offshore because it gives much better protection from ocean intrusion into the cockpit.

Don't know about you guys but the first thing I do when fsihing from a CC is move the fisherman forward to fight the fish from the bow area and gaff from the sides. The ladder configuration on the 210 gets in the way when fishing.

Tom

jimh posted 08-08-2008 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
quote:
I wonder how far the cowling of that 300 Verado goes when fully trimmed up? May be one of the reasons the [aft] bulkhead is move inward as far as it is.

Erik--That is an acute observation. There is no doubt that the Boston Whaler boat is now designed around its Verado outboard motor. Those tall cowlings do require substantial room in the splash well when tilted up.

bluewaterpirate posted 08-08-2008 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Actually, the Verados take less space in the up position than the big block Opti's.

Tom

jimh posted 08-08-2008 10:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Boston Whaler no longer fits the OptiMax motor to their boats because the customers of Boston Whaler overwhelmingly preferred other options. I don't imagine that the dimensions of the OptiMax played a role in the design of the new 2009 220 OUTRAGE.

Usually the minimum space needed for installation is given in the manufacturer's installation literature. It might be interesting to compare the dimensions in the literature between the Verado and the OptiMax, and, if anyone has access to that literature, please share it with us. I am somewhat skeptical about the OptiMax needing more room, based on my casual observation of the relative cowling heights. Perhaps the pivot point on the Verado influences the outcome.

bluewaterpirate posted 08-08-2008 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Have to disagree with that Jim. Watch the Conquest 345 video on the Whaler site. Whaler was able to enlarge the aft cockpit because Verado tilt design permitted them to do so.

Tom

SC Joe posted 08-08-2008 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
>>Euro trash or not since the dollar is worthless and they have all the money I guess Whaler decided to market to them since all you old guys would not buy a new one even if it was a dead ringer for the original.
I think they are clean and modern and still look like a Whaler. I don't see any other similar hulls or other small boats that are as stylish and functional as these, a classic blend for the next 50 years.<<

Heh..I just bought an '08 170 because I couldn't find an original that was outfitted as well. I guess that makes me an old guy who bought one, huh?

WT posted 08-08-2008 11:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Just imagine if Boston Whaler raised their maximum horsepower rating on the 09 170 Montauks and redesigned the hull to accommodate the 135 Verado. (A Mercury 115 wouldn't be too bad either.)

Most 170 Montauk owners would lust for the new power package.

I think raising maximum horsepower rating on the whole line-up who cause quite a buzz.

Warren

Perry posted 08-08-2008 12:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
quote:
190 Outrage is going to stay.

I figured that would be happening. Why leave a big gap in the Outrage line-up.

I'm glad they are keeping it, it seems like a good seller here.

SJUAE posted 08-08-2008 05:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
I agree with Jordi as there may be an option of twins on the new 220 this means the port and starboard seats set slightly into the stern on the 210 is not possible so less potential rear space.

The good news is that the boarding ladder is not an after thought anymore, but it is a 2-foot longer boat. So I assume the console is taking up most of this extra space.

The cowling on the Verado 300 looks large but it's actual pivot point is the important factor on how much clearance it requires.

As Jim and Jordi note these boats seem set around the Verado motors. This can be seen in the extra curved scallops on the transom recess to facilitate and optimise the rear space on the larger new 250 and 280.

If the 190 is to stay then some mods must be made as there is now too bigger gap between the 190 and new 220.

Regards
Steve

jollyrog305 posted 08-08-2008 07:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for jollyrog305    
Check out Whaler TV -> Whaler Dealer Meeting 2009 (http://www.whaler.tv/default.asp?menu=0600&video=0601)
Sal A posted 08-09-2008 06:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I really like the integrated three sided top on the 25 Outrage. The high gunwales, the door in the transom, and the deadrise seem to make for a great ocean fishing boat.

It does seem to my untrained eye that the console is far forward than I an used to seeing, especially compared to older center console 25 foot boats. I am thinking this is to counter the weight of the Verados. While this makes sense, I can personally attest to the fact that in boats with relatively forwardly placed helms (like my Parker 2520), the ride is less smooth standing there.

jimh posted 08-09-2008 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Improved seating on the 13-foot boats is a good change. A small Boston Whaler boat is really quite a seaworthy vessel, and you can take it on rather long local cruises in all sorts of water. But sitting on a bench seat becomes uncomfortable. Generally your discomfort comes from the hard bench seat more than from any fault in the boat's hull handling the seas. Adding an upholstered seat with a good back rest will make the 13-foot boat much more comfortable.
poker13 posted 08-09-2008 11:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for poker13    
The only thing I'm not liking about the new 130 is that they have eliminated the removable front thwart seat. I can see there is some kind of removable casting platform instead, which is nice, but still not a seat.
nydealer posted 08-09-2008 05:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
Poker13
The 130 sport does not have a removable thwart seat. The 150 sport has it. There is an option available on the new super sport to have a cooler seat there.
Jordi posted 08-09-2008 06:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jordi    
Sal,
An astute observation, not sure if the bigger console sloping downward in the front gives the illusion of the console sitting a little further up. We all assume the ride will be smoother since it's a new design, not necessarily so until we begin to compare notes with the old rides.
Jordi

poker13 posted 08-10-2008 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for poker13    
nydealer,
Thanks, you're right, I got the 150 and 130 mixed up.
Buckda posted 08-10-2008 04:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Is it an optical illusion, or is there a reverse shear for the lineup, from the 130 on up to the 220 Outrage?

I'm not a fan of reverse shear on any boat, but I do like the color options! Tell us it's gelcoat, and not just wrapping paper!

DBV posted 08-11-2008 08:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for DBV    
Those look like sharp boats! I wonder if the 25 and 28 will have a 9.6 ft beam on them now? If so, will like them even better!!
Treypescatorie posted 08-11-2008 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Treypescatorie  Send Email to Treypescatorie     
The console on the 25 and the 28 outrage looks similar to everglades console.
Whalerdog posted 08-12-2008 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdog  Send Email to Whalerdog     
Nice pictures thanks!
jimh posted 08-13-2008 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Dave--The hull colors on the larger boats are certainly not just a decal, I would suspect. They are probably either molded in gel coat color or sprayed on paint such as AWLGRIP or similar. However, on the 130 models, the hull colors are not molded in or painted; they are appliques.
mcmahojo posted 08-13-2008 04:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for mcmahojo  Send Email to mcmahojo     
Do you know of any changes ot the smaller Conquest's? I am thinking of moving from my 210 Outrage to a cabin model for increased storage and shelter, although I must say the new Outrages look great.
Whalerdog posted 08-13-2008 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdog  Send Email to Whalerdog     
07 larger Whalers are sprayed on colors. It is not cheap either.
sapple posted 08-13-2008 06:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for sapple  Send Email to sapple     
The new sport looks like it would be a lot more comfortable spending a whole day in vs. the old one.
jimh posted 08-13-2008 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am hereby giving public notice that I am volunteering to conduct a long-term comfort test of the new 130 SPORT models. I have extensive prior experience in uncomfortable seating in a small Boston Whaler boat, so this makes me particularly qualified for this test.
wldrns1 posted 08-13-2008 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for wldrns1  Send Email to wldrns1     
That 13...Keeping the rub rail will be a chore!
aubv posted 08-13-2008 10:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Maybe its me but these new 2009(?) 130 Sports look smaller than the 2008 models.
nydealer posted 08-13-2008 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
Standard boats come from the factory with only the option of a bow rail. all other options will be available from your dealer or possibly the Whaler website. The colors are vinyl wraps. As far as I know colored gel is not easily done due to the high heat developed by the foaming process.
L H G posted 08-14-2008 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
If you ask me, Boston Whaler has finally lost their way with these new boats. They might as well sell the company to BRP, and take it the rest of the way to the SeaDoo design model. In my opinion, it is a shame to see what has happened to this once great boat company. I thought the design of the 170 and 190 Montauks was an encouraging turn around, but now this.

Introducing boats that look like that in this market could end up a disaster. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

fishgutz posted 08-14-2008 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
I think L H G has a good point. The new colorful 130's look like everything else Baylinerish out there. Oversized padded seats. At least you can still get the 130 in plain white, buy it stripped and put your own seats in. At least it looks to have more freeboard. I wish they offered a really stripped one that used a tiller motor. Few manufacturers make a boat that small with a steering wheel.
Boston Whaler needs to set itself apart from the maddening crowd. Looks to me like they are joining it.

The 130 should be the Mini Cooper of the boating world.

CLK posted 08-14-2008 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey mcmahojo,

>>>Do you know of any changes ot the smaller Conquest's?

Don't know specifically about the smaller Conquests, but did ask about the 305 & 345 Conquests - and the answer was no changes. If I had to guess - I'd say no on the smaller ones as well.

Always was told no significant changes to the Montauk, Dauntless & Ventura models.

Cheers!
~CLK

vayase posted 08-14-2008 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for vayase  Send Email to vayase     
jimh--- As a new member (6/08) and buying a new '08 13' supersport (thank God), I got very lucky...after seeing pics of the "new 13s. "Eurotrash" is being VERY kind...
How about: "Kmart Specials". While I have learned a great
deal from your postings and respect your annointed position as "Sage At Large", you frequently exceed your
acumen by making grandiose statements, i.e., "... rich old men do...". Sorry, Jimbo, but you've been breathing too much of your own helium!!! I AM a rich old man, who's had 45'+ boats with twin diesels and wouldn' trade my 13' BW Sport for them, again! Settle down and PLEASE don't let your "position" exceed your knowledge! (I DARE you to post this!)
highanddry posted 08-14-2008 08:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Quote vayase:


"jimh--- As a new member (6/08) and buying a new '08 13' supersport (thank God), I got very lucky...after seeing pics of the "new 13s. "Eurotrash" is being VERY kind...
How about: "Kmart Specials". While I have learned a great
deal from your postings and respect your annointed position as "Sage At Large", you frequently exceed your
acumen by making grandiose statements, i.e., "... rich old men do...". Sorry, Jimbo, but you've been breathing too much of your own helium!!! I AM a rich old man, who's had 45'+ boats with twin diesels and wouldn' trade my 13' BW Sport for them, again! Settle down and PLEASE don't let your "position" exceed your knowledge! (I DARE you to post this!) "

And this rant proves exactly what, hardly do I ever defend the Soup Nazi but you are offering nothing in form or fact which at least the other fellow routinely does. Your opinion on boats is obviously flawed, those are nice looking boats and that you allegedly own 45 "twin screws" is irrelevent.

Maybe you should trade that old yesterday's news 08 for a cool 09 and float with the cool kids.

jimh posted 08-14-2008 09:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Vayase--You are welcome to your opinion, both of the boats and me, however, I think your reading comprehension is not very good. You are a rich old man and you have a 45-footer with twin engines. As I said, you are not the target market for the new boats. The target market is obviously someone for whom you might be an uncle or a grandfather--a young person from a family with the money to buy an expensive small boat.

I can imagine that people said the same thing about the RAGE sport boats when they came out. I spoke to an old Whaler employee who told me that when the RAGE boats were introduced they sold so well they literally saved the company.

blkmtrfan posted 08-15-2008 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for blkmtrfan  Send Email to blkmtrfan     
quote:
I can imagine that people said the same thing about the RAGE sport boats when they came out. I spoke to an old Whaler employee who told me that when the RAGE boats were introduced they sold so well they literally saved the company.

That is very interesting, but they must have been just a fad as they weren't made for very long...

sportroyalwulf posted 08-15-2008 12:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for sportroyalwulf  Send Email to sportroyalwulf     
In "The Unbearable Lightness of Being," Milan Kundera writes: "Human time does not turn in a circle; it runs ahead in a straight line. That is why man cannot be happy: happiness is the longing for repetition."
fishgutz posted 08-15-2008 01:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
I suppose the classic 13 was too good of a boat. If you want one, just look around (you may have to wait a little while) and you will find one. Whaler could probably only sell a limited number of 13's in the classic design today and before long the market would be saturated if it isn't already.

One good thing with the new 130 is that you could get it stripped and fix it up to your liking. I think it would look better and have more functionality with swivel Tempress seats (like the Dauntless bass seats) instead of those over stuffed ones. And if the colored sides came in a solid pattern instead of that snowflake design or whatever it is. They'd look a little like the Edgewater boats.

fishgutz posted 08-15-2008 01:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
On the orangy 13, what is that cover in front of the helm. Solid (casting paltform)or just vinyl or canvas cover?

The new 130 does have a much larger anchor locker than the old model.

chopbuster posted 08-15-2008 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
quote:
Colored gel generates heat in the foaming process.

vs the cheaper vinyl wrap technique as used by BW.

Edgewater and Everglade successfully utilize this coloring process on all their boats to the benefit of their customers.

bluewaterpirate posted 08-15-2008 07:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
The problem with gelcoat coloring is trying to match it if you happen to scratch or ding it. Most of the boaters that I know choose to paint their boats versus gelcoat coloring.

Tom

Mike Brantley posted 08-16-2008 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mike Brantley  Send Email to Mike Brantley     
A younger, more inexperienced boater may be more likely to bump into the dock and other things. These colored vinyl wraps -- are they easy to damage? How would you repair a ding?
Mike Brantley posted 08-16-2008 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mike Brantley  Send Email to Mike Brantley     
Tom, we think alike -- and at the same time, too.
Mike Brantley posted 08-16-2008 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mike Brantley  Send Email to Mike Brantley     
Er, nevermind that last. I read Tom's post quickly and saw the words "scratch" and "ding" and thought it was a new post making my same point. But Tom was talking about colored gelcoat. Reading comprehension is off on the weekend. :-)
Blackduck posted 08-16-2008 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Blackduck  Send Email to Blackduck     
I like the Outrages, but the little boats sure look like they belong on an amusement park ride.
fishgutz posted 08-16-2008 12:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
What a bunch of whiners. If you don't like the new 130's color scheme you don't have to get it. It looks great in all white. The higher freeboard is a nice improvement.

I'd get a white hull. I'd put 2 swivel Tempress seats (like the Dauntless bass seats) on the helm bench. A cooler seat where the thwart seat was and you're all set. Almost the same as the last 130.

I really like the higher freeboard. Whaler had a choice of 2 ways to design the way the sides transition to the transom. They opted for the more modern Euro design. No biggy.

The only concern I have is the use of vinyl graphics for the sides. It does make it look a bit cheap. Solid colors would be better. The nice thing about vinyl though is you can change it at any time. Lots of heavily sponsored tournament boats are coming "wrapped" that way. Nascar does it.

ioptfm posted 08-16-2008 02:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for ioptfm  Send Email to ioptfm     
To each his own, but it just seems like Whaler is getting farther and farther away from the classic design. I for one hate to see it disappear
SJUAE posted 08-16-2008 03:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
I always thought that the darker and higher percentage of colour pigment used in the gel coat made it less UV stable.

If so, maybe stick on vinyl is the way to go given how long whalers last, it’s much easier to peel off and replace.

Regards
Steve

glen e posted 08-16-2008 04:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
Whaler does not like dark colors on their boats due to degradation of the foam due to increases in temperature - that stragiht from a 32 outrage owner that called BW when he was contemplating painting a dark color. The closest they will approve is light pastels like they do now...
glen e posted 08-16-2008 06:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
I should add this was only for 365 day tropic climates (Fla & Tex). They said it would be fine in the northern climes like the great lakes and such...
vayase posted 08-16-2008 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for vayase  Send Email to vayase     
jimh--
Now, let's see Jim, re: reading comprehension: I said :
"HAD", not "have", as you've stated. As to the "younger crowd", try surfing Whaler Central and count how many of the "younger crowd" are buying and restoring the older 13' Sports...ZERO!
And finally, looks like I HAVE a lot of company re: the new Super Sport 13' models! Jimbo, don't take yourself so seriously....this is supposed to be for fun...and you ARE funny!
SJUAE posted 08-17-2008 03:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
Glen

Thanks, that also rules out UAE.

Yesterday it was dryer in the water than out at 113F and a gazillion humidity plus a sea temp over 88F.

Strangely enough my 210 has a repair I only found out a few weeks back to the centre cleat area. Dealer said it was caused by heat stress.

Regards
Steve

jimh posted 08-17-2008 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Vayase--This discussion is not about you, or me, or what you think of me, or what I think of you. It is about the new Boston Whaler boats. And, I hope you are sitting down, but I don't browse around other websites before I contribute my opinion of things. If my opinion is not congruent with yours or with the opinions expressed somewhere else, it is not particularly surprising.

Back to the boats: I am looking forward to seeing the new 150 SUPER SPORT. I don't think we have any pictures of it, but I recently learned that this little bomb will have a hull with 20-degrees of dead rise. That is more than most classic Boston Whaler v-hull Outrage models. It ought to be quite interesting.

wldrns1 posted 08-20-2008 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for wldrns1  Send Email to wldrns1     
jimh,

Do you know what the dead rise is on the 2008 150 Sport?

If 20 deg is an increase, better in the chop but would expect hull to slide and list more in the turns right?

Dan posted 08-20-2008 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
These new Whalers don't look like Whalers to me. I hope Whaler makes money so they can stay in business. Actually, I'm being too kind, I totally hate the way these new boats look.
tombro posted 08-21-2008 07:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
I guess it is like cars. The guts and workings remain the same, but the outer shell has to evolve with the times.
CLK posted 08-21-2008 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey wldrns1,

>>>Do you know what the dead rise is on the 2008 150 Sport?

I believe the dead rise is 16 degrees. I also think that 16 degress is the dead rise of the 130 Sport, 150MT, 170MT & the old 16' Dauntless.

>>>If 20 deg is an increase, better in the chop but would expect hull to slide and list more in the turns right?

I'm not sure, but I'd guess that an increase in dead rise would slow the boat down, but grip in turns better. It would be more stable at cruise & in rougher water, but less stable at rest.

.......but the above is just a guess.

Cheers!
~CLK

george nagy posted 08-21-2008 04:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Wow after seeing those pics it makes me wish I had bought one of those 2008 blue and white anniversary additions!
SC Joe posted 08-21-2008 04:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
I imagine there's still some of those anniversary editions around in dealer inventory.

I love the look of those little boats!

Don Jr posted 08-21-2008 05:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Don Jr  Send Email to Don Jr     
I have a 2008 150 Sport, and I'm glad I didn't wait for the '09. I'm sure I would get used to the looks, but I didn't have to get used to the '08 looks. It looked like a Whaler the first time I layed eyes on it. There's no way that bucket seat will ever look good to me.
george nagy posted 08-22-2008 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
It is too bad they did not rethink the bubble shaped console in the sport series. Overall it would appear they are thinking of offering a wide variety of customer inspired customization primarily leaving the insides straight and decks relatively clear of moulded in clutter but that console shape just eats up space in the cockpit and leaves little room for mounting electronics.
bluewaterpirate posted 08-22-2008 11:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Just got my October edition of Sport Fishing magazine and it has a nice article on the new 280 Outrage.

Here are the spec's

LOA 27' 7"
Beam 9' 4"
Draft 1' 8"
Weight 5160 lbs (dry w/o engines)
D-Rise 23 degrees at the transmon
Max HP Twin 300 hp
Fuel 200 gallons
MSRP $157,439 (with twin 300 hp)

23 deadrise at the transom is a design departure for Whaler. They are certainly going after the offshore boating population. I figure the boat will weigh in around 8700 - 8900 lbs fully loaded.

There you go ...........

Tom

jimh posted 08-22-2008 02:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The engineers at Boston Whaler did a nice job with the interiors of these new SUPER SPORT models. Most of the accessories mount to the side railings. That means that you do not have to drill holes and install fasteners into the hull to mount the accessories. For example, the rod holders clamp onto the side railings. I think the sun top frame clamps on to it, too. Good engineering--and less chance for these customer-installed accessories to muck up the boat.

On the SUPER SPORT 150 hull the dead rise--I just got an update: The new model will have slightly steeper dead rise than the old model, and the hull bottom will not be rounded at the keel. This should give the ride characteristics a bigger boat feel.

fishgutz posted 08-22-2008 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
jimh,
I agree 100% on the interiors. More customizable. The colored vinyl outsides I can leave.

Are you saying the new 150 Supersport will be similar to my Dauntless 14??? More like the Accutrac hull??? Or just like the old one with a deeper V??

CLK posted 08-22-2008 03:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey Tom,

Thanks for the info!

>>>They are certainly going after the offshore boating population.

I'm not sure how the weight & dead rise will affect performance - but I've got to beleive with 600 hp on the back of the 280 Outrage - it's got to really fly!

Have a great weekend!

Cheers!
~CLK

Don Jr posted 08-22-2008 04:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Don Jr  Send Email to Don Jr     
That rail is nice and handy but should be removed from the aft. It's a tripping hazard. If you don't believe me, invite my sister for a boat ride. You can sweep her teeth off your dock when you're done.

Please mail teeth to:
Dr ......

Don Jr posted 08-22-2008 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Don Jr  Send Email to Don Jr     
This UK web site states that they're getting the '09's in this week.http://www.bostonwhaler.co.uk/
mcmahojo posted 09-08-2008 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for mcmahojo  Send Email to mcmahojo     

I was really looking forward to seeing the new Outrages at the A.C. Boat Show. They are very sharp. I was most interested in the 220. My overall impression was favorable, but deck space is tight. I had to turn sideways to get past the console. That aside, my eyes really popped at the show special price of 94K.
Jordi posted 09-08-2008 06:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jordi    
mcmahojo,
Would you say the deck space is less than the current 210 Outrage?
Jordi
andygere posted 09-09-2008 01:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Nothing says "Gameshow Boat" like orange gelcoat and a cheesy bucket seats. What a shame.

The Outrages look nice for what they are, but those transom designs are major space eaters. I like the glass enclosures on the T-Tops.

daveweight posted 09-09-2008 06:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for daveweight  Send Email to daveweight     
Livewell, driver and fuel tank all to starboard. Is that a mistake on the 13.
Dave Weight
HuronBob posted 09-09-2008 07:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for HuronBob    
The bucket seats on the 130 are a terrible idea....!

The best fishing area in that boat is the back, behind the seats, trying to step over those bucket seats will be a pain.....

Plus they look like the seats you buy at K-Mart to bolt to the seat of an aluminum fishing boat....

ugly little sucker.....

poker13 posted 09-09-2008 08:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for poker13    
The bucket seats are optional, so no worries if you don't like them. I hope they are easy to remove if you get them, so you can switch back and forth between fishing simplicity and cruising comfort.
Moe posted 09-10-2008 11:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I understand the change in the Sport models to try to attract the younger crowd, or at least try to make them less embarrassed about operating an old fogie's boat (Whaler). However, 30-35 mph with a 40 HP outboard isn't going to cut it in this crowd. Cut the weight from 600 to 400 pounds and ship it with a 212 pound Honda 50 and we MIGHT be beginning to get somewhere in this market where 130+ HP jet skis are the norm.

The biggest problem I see with these new Sports is the low inboard hand rail. I predict bruised hips from it on anything less than flat water. One of the best features of our 150 Sport was the higher side railing on top of the gunnel. One of the things I liked least was the jet-ski console.

The other problem is that the 130 is now only a two-adult boat, where the prior models would seat three--a driver, spotter, and skier in my high school days with a buddy's 13-footer.

It appears to me the hull shape is now that of the 150/170 series, where the 130 to date has been a blend of the old and new hulls. The overhang at the bow corners problem of the 150/170 hulls (discussed in older threads here) is now more of an issue when docking the 130.

Ah well... times change... sometimes I do too, but not in this case.

--
Moe

chopbuster posted 09-10-2008 04:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
My main man Moe, could not agree with you more.

Appears the recent R&D layoffs at BW resulted in out of work cartoonists having been hired as replacement workers.

mcmahojo posted 09-11-2008 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for mcmahojo  Send Email to mcmahojo     

The deck space is absolutely less than my 2005 210. It shrinks even more when you fold down the stern seat. My knees were nearly bumping against the live well when I sat down.
elaelap posted 09-12-2008 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
I almost never come to this section of the continuousWave website, and now I know why. Here's a photograph of a Boston Whaler outboard motorboat, just for you folks who forgot what a real one looks like:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/2007openingday003.jpg

My oh my oh my...

Tuco

chopbuster posted 09-13-2008 01:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
elaelap:

Could not agree with you more.

BW's use of cheap vinyl colorized masking on the cheesy '09 130 Sport versus a durable imbedded gel-coat paint job is like putting "Lipstick on a Pig" and it shows.


I see manufacturing processes as this as the genisis of the lowering of standads and cheapening of the product line. What's next, price increases across the board ?

chopbuster posted 09-13-2008 01:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
Correction, should read genesis not genisis & standards not standads, I'm not from bean town.

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