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craigimass posted 09-17-2008 12:00 PM ET (US)   Profile for craigimass   Send Email to craigimass  
I'm the former owner of a Red Mischief....and a 13 foot ss before that - recently got a second house on the RI shoreline near the Sakkonnet River (strait, bay).

I'd like to do some short cruising around that river, but desire to have a boat which I can trailer or move with my 2005 Subaru (2000 lbs). I may be able to step up a bit, as the new Forester will haul 2400 and I may get one soon.

So, which would be the largest models that I could trailer with such a vehicle? Also, given that body of water (Sakkonet mostly, and maybe Narrangansett bay), would I be best looking at the more V hull as opposed to the older flatter models?

My intention is short trips of 1-2 hours most of the time - just to get out on the water.

WT posted 09-17-2008 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
New- 150 Montauk
Used- Classic 17 Montauk
Hal Watkins posted 09-17-2008 07:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
I pulled our 2006 Montauk 170, total wt 2360#, with a 2002 Subaru Outback 2.r, with a 5 spd probably 5000 miles. No problems, I am an experienced trailer jockey though. It can push in curves and you need to be an anticipitory braker. Hal of Waseca, MN
highanddry posted 09-17-2008 08:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Cars come and go. I don't think buying a boat for a specific vehicle makes sense. You should decide your boating mission and then fit the tow vehicle/boat package to accomplish that.
craigimass posted 09-18-2008 12:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for craigimass  Send Email to craigimass     
Thanks for the tips!

I'm not about to buy a vehicle with less MPG and keeping boats in the water where I live is over $3500 for the season....let alone the additional salt water wear on the boat. So weight is a big factor. All I want to do is tool around the river within a couple miles.....

I'll keep my eye out for a used Montauk 17 - or perhaps a used Dauntless 16. One forum member from nearby is selling a Montauk for 12,500 - ideally I want to spend around 10K, but who knows???

Thanks for the advice! I hope to join the Whaler community once again....but, alas, am also looking at some local dorys like Blue Fin and Sturdee - cheap and lightweight way to get on the water, but not Whalers!

Casco Bay Outrage posted 09-18-2008 01:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
Don't overlook the Outrage 17 I (1990-1995). A offshore hull, internal fuel tank but only 17'.

See photos linked in my profile.

andygere posted 09-18-2008 04:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
My sister tows her 150 Montauk with a Subaru Outback with no problems. I towed my '79 Montauk 17 with a Jeep Wrangler and a factory draw bar with no problems. Either of these would be a good choice. The Dauntles 16 (160 Dauntless) is a heavier and wider boat, and may be more of a challenge for your Subaru.
highanddry posted 09-18-2008 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
How many MPG does the Subaru get?

Perry posted 09-18-2008 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
A 160 Dauntless will weigh close to 3000 lbs. including boat, motor, gear, fuel and trailer. Probably too much for your car to tow.
jenkinsph posted 09-19-2008 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jenkinsph  Send Email to jenkinsph     
Also a 150 Sport is a good choice and you may be able to find a good one closer to your budget.


craigimass posted 09-19-2008 03:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for craigimass  Send Email to craigimass     
Subaru Forester gets about 28 on the highway...don't care about towing MPG, since i am only going to tow a few miles to the ramps.

I'll keep an eye for the 16's and 17's......I suppose I may be able to exceed the rated (2400) towing capacity by a little if I am only using it local. Then I will step up a little on my next vehicle purchase...heck, they are supposed to into a clean diesel Forester with vastly better MPG and almost double the towing! I'd buy it now.....well, I won't be able to in Ma, but I have dual citizenship (RI). Maybe there....

billsa posted 09-19-2008 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for billsa  Send Email to billsa     
We tow a 2003 150 sport ~ 2000 lbs "loaded" with our 2.5 Liter 2005 Outback and it does just fine. We towed it from the keys to Orlando FL. and got about 20 mpg while towing. We kept the speed at ~ 60 mph. Did put an ATF cooler on it when I had the hitch installed. We get about 28 mpg on the highway without the boat and 22 around town.
Love the boat - Love the car.
highanddry posted 09-21-2008 02:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
The reason I asked is you say it(Forester) gets 28 MPG highway and can tow 2000 lbs. OK, my Tacoma gets around 24 MPG at 60ish highway and can tow 6,500 pounds. Not trying to sell you a Tacoma but I am sure there are several other potential vehicles with significantly more towing power and stopping power and stability and cargo capability and safety that still get good mileage when you consider the total utility of the package. Tacoma gets top rated crash tests as well as tow capability. Twenty eight MPG highway is pretty poor for a vehicle that is so light duty it can tow barely 2,000 pounds. It is the total package, just saying.
craigimass posted 09-23-2008 08:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for craigimass  Send Email to craigimass     
thanks for the tacoma info......
we would need 4 wheel drive or front wheel drive for anything since I live in w. mass - snow on the ground all winter. Rear wheel drive does not cut it - and that usually means less towing power!

I'm all ears for something that tows a little more, has 26+ MPG, has front wheel drive, can seat 4 or 5, holds a lot of cargo, has roof racks and cost 25K or less. From my little bit of research, it seems like my option is.....well, maybe the diesel Subaru when it comes out!

Might be the reason it seems every other vehicle here in W. Mass is a 'Baru

Tohsgib posted 09-23-2008 01:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
17 Montauk loaded w/trailer is just under 2k. Going only a few miles you can probably handle 3k. I have a Jeep Liberty diesel 4x4 that gets 30hwy and can tow one used for about $18k with low miles(05 or 06 only). Look for a Grand Cherokee diesel as well as they are still in production. I looked at the forester Turbo but it was so peaky in power that towing on the highway looked tough on the turbo...hence the Liberty.
addwater posted 09-24-2008 03:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for addwater  Send Email to addwater     
craigimass - Take a look at the Toyota Rav4 v6 if you ever get a new car. They can tow 3500lbs. My wife has the 2007 base with v6. Fine vehicle and surprisingly fast. Actually one of the quickest cars I've driven and has a very good ride. Good luck with your search for a boat.
highanddry posted 09-24-2008 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
Every other vehicle in Mass. may be a 'baru but they are not pulling boats because if they were then every other vehicle would not be a 'baru.

You might consider the new Honda Pilot.

Front wheel drive, whatever, stability and traction control does not care which end is driving or both for that matter.

It snows where I live too and there are few plows, a truck with clearance is needed if one lives off the main roads. A 'baru would hardly cut the musturd sitting low on the ground like a little box turtle. When you are stuck, you are only getting ZERO MPG.

I had a 'baru in 1980, it melted with only 30,000 miles, have not owned a 'baru since.

Tohsgib posted 09-25-2008 11:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Subaru makes a very nice and dependable car but I have to say their paint and some fit & finish is subpar compared to many in that $$$ range. I was very disappointed in the "felt" over cardboard cargo area, etc.
florida1098 posted 09-28-2008 11:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for florida1098    
Going to be selling my 150 Sport 2004 w/ 60 hp 4 stroke. Always kept in my garage and probably in water less than 10 total hours. E-mail if interested. I think the total weight is 900 plus 350 (motor) and trailer.
No bottom paint and located in Florida
craigimass posted 10-05-2008 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for craigimass  Send Email to craigimass     
Florida....make sure you post your boat on the classifieds here - I look every day....who knows, I have family in FL.. (doesn't everyone?)
florida1098 posted 10-08-2008 10:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for florida1098    
Thanks, will post it later this week, just to busy at work to make a appointment to show it and take someone out on water.
chopbuster posted 10-08-2008 01:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
Best in class, 2007 150 Sport w/Merc. 60hp Big foot & karavan trailer.

Base Weights in Lbs.

Boat 900
Engine 260
Trailer 370

Base total less optional gear/gas, 1530 Lbs

I tow this rig with a 2004 Hyundai Sante Fe, with a 3000 Lb. tow rating & 30mpg.

craigimass posted 10-08-2008 10:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for craigimass  Send Email to craigimass     
15 sounds good - problem may be where I am located - coastal RI.....pretty good chop on the Bay...I'm told. I think a 17 might just make the difference....although I've looked at a 16 (a dory, another brand)....

Of course, I've been in steep 5 foot seas with my old 13' Whaler, but don't want to do it again......

chopbuster posted 10-08-2008 11:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
I've been in 4-5' swells and 2-3' chop in my 150 in the ocean off of Cape May, a little damp at times, but I wouldn't do it in anything this size but a Whaler.

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