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JoeyP posted 04-02-2009 08:53 PM ET (US)   Profile for JoeyP   Send Email to JoeyP  
Has anyone that owns a 190 Outrage or Nantucket try or change props from the factory Mirage Plus 17p. I saw some old threads on the Enertia prop but nothing specific on comparisons.
Perry posted 04-03-2009 02:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I have tried many props on my 190 Nantucket but never a Mirage Plus. I currently have a 17 pitch Enertia and it works great.
JoeyP posted 04-03-2009 08:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Perry, what kind of power do you have on the back of that 190? What made you go with the Enertia Prop? The Mirage Plus came stock with my Verado 150. I'm pulling a max of 5800 or so RPMS at WOT.
Perry posted 04-03-2009 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Joey, I took delivery of my 190 Nantucket with a Honda BF135. I know the owner of the dealership and he agreed to put the motor of my choice on for me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/Picture243.jpg

I tried various 3 and 4 blade stainless props and really like the overall performance of the Enertia with flow torq IV hub kit. The Enertia provides better acceleration and fuel economy than the other props I have tried and its top speed of 44 MPH is only slightly less than the Powertech OFS 3 blade I have. It also grips very well in rough water.

I think it may be worth a try. Since you get 5800 RPM now with the 17 pitch Mirage Plus, I think a 17 pitch Enertia would be a good starting point. You should gain a couple hundred more RPM at WOT.

alfred posted 04-04-2009 04:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
JoeyP - I am really surprised that the stock prop will only pull 5800rpm, thought it should be closer to 6400rpm. I have a 17"pitch Rev 4 and I get 6100rpm.

I like the Rev 4 just feels better all round, but my top speed is down to 34knots, with 2 on, 2 sets of dive gear, 4 tanks, T top and the other usual stuff one needs onboard.

JoeyP posted 04-05-2009 09:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
I have seen some info on the Enertia prop where it is lighter than a standard SS prop and may cut down on the low rpm vibration experienced with the the four cylinder four stroke motors especially the Verado.
imko posted 04-05-2009 10:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for imko  Send Email to imko     
With a clean bottom on my Outrage 190 with 150 Verado the max rpm is about 6300 rpm.(17" Mirage plus) This is with 1 pers. and about 50 gal. of fuel. There is a clunk with this heavy prop. I also tried the Laser II 19" It's fast but rpm drops (about 5820 rpm) I think the Enertia 18" is a perfect prop for top speed and hole shot, but the mid-rang......????

Regards,

Imko

Perry posted 04-05-2009 01:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Joey, according to Boston Whaler's performance report for the 190 Outrage, the 150 Verado equipped boat reaches 6100 RPM and 44.3 MPH at WOT with 17 pitch Mirage.

Are you trimming your motor out (up) when at WOT? What is your max speed?

JoeyP posted 04-06-2009 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Yes, I am trimming the motor up just before cavitation. I have yet to break 5900 rpm. I have hit 44mph per GPS once. That's with 30 gallons of fuel and myself. Otherwise, 42-43 mph is the usual on top speed. I can't believe the jump in top end with the 200 verado. I believe they show top speed on the 190 Outrage at 51 mph with that motor.
Feejer posted 04-07-2009 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Could your engine be too low? Read this thread, it was very helpful to me.

http://www.veradoclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=137.0

Perry posted 04-07-2009 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
quote:
I can't believe the jump in top end with the 200 verado. I believe they show top speed on the 190 Outrage at 51 mph with that motor.

Yes but with a 19 pitch Mirage propeller, it has a slower time to plane and 0 to 30 MPH acceleration.

51 MPH is fast with the 200 Verado but others here have seen 50 MPH and close to it with 150 HP motors on the same hull. Before adding my T-Top i saw 46.7 on my GPS with just a 135 HP motor.

JoeyP posted 04-07-2009 05:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Yes I read that article on the Verado Club site in ref to that. The pics are great. I'll take a look at that as soon as the boat goes back in the water. The only thing though is that I have not heard from anybody with my same set up complaining. There has to be a few 190 Outrage owners with the Verado 150 out here. It seems all the 190 Outrages come through the dealer with the motor mounted in the same hole on the transom.I'm also not that far off from the specs.

Good point about the 19 Mirage Plus mounted on that 200. The greater the diameter the higher the speed but you are right about loosing hole shot and mid range performance.

imko posted 04-26-2009 02:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for imko  Send Email to imko     
The engine performance test one the whaler site shows now
the Verado 150 with the Mirage 17" and the Enertia 18" !!!
http://www.whaler.com/site_media/Performance_Data/190OR_EnginePerf_.pdf
imko posted 04-26-2009 02:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for imko  Send Email to imko     
See also the difference in fuel consumption for the new 150 Verado 2009 with the enertia prop and the "old one"
with the Mirage prop.
JoeyP posted 04-26-2009 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
You have to ask yourself why BW decided to change to the enertia. But I did take note that they were 30 gallons lighter on fuel when they tested the enertia prop.
Also, I have been complaining to the dealer since day one about the more than obvious vibration the 150 has during low rpms. Makes your teeth chatter. From what I have seen on this site and verado club, the in-line four cylinder verados are known to rattle somewhat. One of the ways to reduce this is to go to the enertia prop and the flo-torque IV set up. Now, I wonder if BW is going to do just that. I guess I'm not the only one that has brought this to the dealers attention. One thing I have to say is that my dealer has been great so I am confident I'll get this resolved.
highanddry posted 04-26-2009 05:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
For use in the ocean where tops speed will rarely be important the Rev 4 is probably the best choice for a prop that has good stern lift, excellent traction, resists blow out.
jimh posted 04-27-2009 12:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
For pictures of the position of the anti-ventilation plate while running on plane for a number of boats and motors (including Mercury Verado motors) see

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/006491.html

Perry posted 04-27-2009 12:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I use an Enertia on my 190 Outrage/Nantucket and am very pleased with its performance. Excellent hole shot and top speed in addition to great cruise fuel economy and grip in sloppy offshore water.
JoeyP posted 04-29-2009 05:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Perry, what kind of power is hanging off your boat? What size Enertia did you install? Thanks
alfred posted 04-29-2009 06:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
He has an amazing 130hp Honda with a 17 inch pitch Enertia. I don't get the speeds he can achieve with the Verado 150 and Rev4. Maybe the Rev 4 is alot heavier.
Perry posted 04-29-2009 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Actually the motor is a BF135 which is the same motor as the Honda BF150 minus the VTEC. Like Alfred said I run a 17 pitch Enertia and my motor has a gear ratio of 2.14 and is mounted 2 holes up.

It had a top speed of 46 MPH before I installed my T-Top and now it can reach 43+ MPH at 6000 RPM.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/Picture243.jpg

prj posted 04-30-2009 12:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Thats a nice photo, but why don't you show your prop some love?

JoeyP posted 04-30-2009 09:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Yeah, that Rev4 is for grip and hole shot. You would definitely loose some mph with it. Alfred, any particular reason you chose the Rev4? I think the Enertia is the best bet for our set ups. Whaler is showing a 14-1/4 x 18 Enertia for the 2009 Outrage with a 150 Verado.
highanddry posted 04-30-2009 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
I don't know what you mean by hole shot. The Rev 4 has tremendous stern lift, grips like an iron claw in rough water, no blow out, superb traction and at least on our Mercury Opti Max 150 powered Nantucket the top speeds, cruise speeds are comparable, I can maintain a solid plane several MPH slower with less bow rise as well. Additional the tendency to porpoise was greatly reduced with the Rev 4 vs the Mirage Plus.
alfred posted 05-01-2009 05:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
From the feed back here it seemed like the best choice. No one who had actually tried it on the 150 Verado chimed in so it was abit of a lottery. Still like the prop though, over the stock 17inch Mirage. Would love to try an Enertia if I could borrow one.
Feejer posted 05-01-2009 07:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
After talking to Ken at Prop Gods I have a 4 blade prop on the way. It will lower my planing speed and reduce bow rise. Also, considering I'll get the same cruising speed at a lower RPM I don't mind loosing 2-3 mph at the top end. I'm getting 48 mph right now
JoeyP posted 05-06-2009 12:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
The vibration issue I had has been solved. A water test with a different prop narrowed down the cause. It seems the Mirage Plus was somehow out of balance out of the box new. As I understand from the BW rep this is not uncommon. I can't say enough about Ed and his staff over at McCarthy's. They were more than happy to diagnose my complaint and kept the down time to a minimum. They ended up replacing the old prop with an Enertia prop. That's what I call going the extra mile for customer service.
Perry posted 05-06-2009 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
It's good that you have the problem fixed. What kind of performance improvement have you seen with the Enertia?
JoeyP posted 05-06-2009 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
I'll let you know in a few days after I have time to run the boat for a period of time.

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