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190Montauk posted 04-11-2009 06:14 PM ET (US)   Profile for 190Montauk   Send Email to 190Montauk  
I received my new 190 Montauk. The dealer did a great job, everything was done well and on time.

I find the trailer tongue weight is insanely high. I checked the trailer, and everything is to specification. Bunk position, axle position, and winch stop are all right on the money.

Has anyone else found high tongue weights with the factory trailer setup? I can understand the factory going towards the high side, but mine is ~35% above any reasonable upper limit.

It seems obvious that the axle needs to be moved forward, but I wanted to see if anyone had a similar issue before I make changes.

I am also interested in any recommendations for guide-ons that would be suitable for the 190 Montauk trailer.


Phil T posted 04-11-2009 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     
I highly recommend these rollers. I have installed them on both my Montauk 17 and Outrage 17. productID=5190&categoryID=220

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I am not a fan of the PVC guide posts. The high degree of flexing allows more movement and defeats the goal of centering the boat.

As for your tongue weight, are you measuring the tongue weight appropriately? Is the tongue straight and level at the vehicle hitch?

If the answers to the above questions are "yes" I would say (my opinion) given the bucket of do-ray-me you spent, I would drive right back to the dealer and make them fix it while you stand there and watch them.

Ferdinando posted 04-11-2009 10:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ferdinando  Send Email to Ferdinando     

I had the same problem with my 190. I backed up the winch post 2" and it really improved things fom me. I did move it back 4" but there was to much wt on the tail end so I moved it up 2"


Graumann posted 04-12-2009 12:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Graumann  Send Email to Graumann     

I haven't had an issue with the tongue weight on my 2007 190 Montauk. I assumed it was correct from the dealer. It tows like a dream (75-78 mph interstate highway) both with my F-150 pickup and my wife's Cadillac Escalade. It sets the rear end down on the pickup a little, and the Escalade has automatic levelers.

I put the tall PVC type guides on my trailer about three inches from each side of the stern when the boats on the trailer. Saved my neck the other day trying to load in a 30 MPH cross wind. I eased up into the wind and hung the starboard bow on the guide long enough to straighten up and run it on up to the bow stop.


hockeycrew posted 04-12-2009 08:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for hockeycrew  Send Email to hockeycrew     
What is the height to the top of the ball on the trailer hitch. Picking up my Montauk 190 in 2 weeks and I need to purchase a hitch for my Toyota Tundra. Not sure if I need a 2" or more offset either higher or lower so the trailer rides level. I have a 7 pin round factory plug. Anyone know if that can be converted to a 5 pin flat to match the one on the trailer?
Tobias posted 04-12-2009 10:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tobias  Send Email to Tobias     
I also felt the tongue weight was very high on my Montauk 190 although it trailered fine so I did not pursue adjusting it. The tongue weight would drop my Ridgeline's suspension 5/6 inches which was a bit disconcerting.

I now have a Tundra which can man handle this rig - a 2/3 inch drop works fine. You can buy adapters that convert your 7 pin to 5/4 pin. I have one made by Hopkins, part number 47385.

wezie posted 04-12-2009 12:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for wezie  Send Email to wezie     
What is the tongue wt.?
HAPPYJIM posted 04-12-2009 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Measure the tongue weight by placing a bathroom scale under the tongue stand. It should be around 10% of the total weight. A little more is OK but 20% is too much.
190Montauk posted 04-12-2009 10:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for 190Montauk  Send Email to 190Montauk     
Thanks for all the advice. I will be adding guide-ons at some point in the future.

I would like to try the tongue weight at about 7.5% of total load, which would be about 280lbs. If there is any sway, I'll go a little higher.

With the motor tipped up, my tongue weight is slightly over 500lbs., which is fine if you have something like an F-350. I used a bathroom scale at one end of a lever with the tongue in the middle for the measurement.

I will talk with my dealer for their good advice before I move the axle, but at this point I don't see it as something I need to have them do; it looks pretty easy. It certainly is not anything they have done wrong since everything is to the specs from Whaler.


Feejer posted 04-13-2009 01:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
With the boat, engine and factory trailer you should under 3500lbs without fuel add another 480lbs for gas and it should put you at roughly 4000lbs total. What are you towing the boat with?
190Montauk posted 04-20-2009 05:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for 190Montauk  Send Email to 190Montauk     
I finally found a scale; most are gone around here.

With an indicated 51 gallons of fuel, 100lbs of batteries, and Bimini top, it came in at 3930 lbs.

That's more than I expected based on the published weights of 1900 for boat, 510 for motor, and 830 for trailer.

In any case, I now know what I'm pulling.

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