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CLK posted 04-12-2009 06:19 PM ET (US)   Profile for CLK  

I currently have a 150MT, & have been 'lightly' kicking around the idea of upgrading to a 17MT.

Can't say I'm at all unhappy w/ the 15MT - it's just the (unoriginal) thought of a bit more room & power.

I currently use my boat (& would the 17MT) on inland waters - nothing offshore. Trailering would not be an issue - the boat would be wet slipped.

Like I said above - I really enjoy the 15MT - no complaints. A fun boat to run around in & explore.

The only thing which has made pull back a bit on the upgrade idea, is when I looked at the performance/economy differences. The 17MT has the same fuel capacity as the 15MT, but much less fuel effecient & shorter range per full tanks.

Any thoughts about either boat individually, or vis-a-vis one another, would be appreciated.


Cheers!
~CLK

fishinchips posted 04-12-2009 07:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishinchips  Send Email to fishinchips     
I also been toying around with the idea of a 190 montauk. Currently have a 2003 - 170 montauk.
However, my main purpose is ocean fishing and bay fishing. Not to much for inland lakes.

Ken

ToeCutter66 posted 04-13-2009 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for ToeCutter66  Send Email to ToeCutter66     
CLK,
I too have a 150 Montauk, and it is a great boat, but just like in the movie Jaws, "were gonna need a bigger boat". I went to Chesapeake Whalertown last fall to kick some tires. I had my mind set on a 17 or 19MT. Since getting my 150, everyone in my family has decided they love to go boating. 6 people in the 150 is crowded. I told the staff at what my challenges were, and they said climb on this, and I was blown away with what I was shown. 210 Ventura, prior to seeing the boat in person, I would have thought that getting a bow-rider whaler would be like ordering a steak at a seafood restaurant. My god, this boat has "presence". I have not pulled the trigger yet, but I am looking at a couple of used ones on the east coast.

Anyone want a 2006 150 Montauk?

Kevin

johnhenry posted 04-13-2009 12:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnhenry  Send Email to johnhenry     
I bought a 08 170 a couple of months ago. I considered the 150 which was right next to the 170 in the showroom. There were 2 mian reasons I went with the 170. 1. Space up in front of the cooler seat. Much more leg room and with the 170 a body could walk around a person seated on the cooler easily, whereas the 150 you would have to squeaze or crawl onto the bow to get by. 1. We spend a lot of time on the Chesapeake Bay and I felt(as well as others) that the 15 was to small to cross the bay safely, especialy if the weather kicked up and there were more than 2 adults on the boat. My 2 cents, good luck.
Feejer posted 04-13-2009 12:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
I looked at the 150, felt it was too small. I bought a 170 and had that for 2 seasons. We wanted a little more boat and I just bought a Dauntless 180. It has much more storage room than the 170. It also rides better and has a little more luxury to it. The build quality on the Dauntless seems to be better also. This could just be because its a completely different boat.
CLK posted 04-13-2009 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    
Thanks for the input everyone.

I'll let you know if anything becomes of this twofootitis.


Cheers!
~CLK

chopbuster posted 04-15-2009 01:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster  Send Email to chopbuster     
Having recently purchased a new 08' 150 Montauk, that
choice was based on available garage space and the $5000
price difference between a loaded 150 & 170.

$5000 for 1' 7" more boat, no thanks.

That savings put several top shelf electronics and
accessories on my new ride.

ktm3ten posted 04-15-2009 06:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for ktm3ten  Send Email to ktm3ten     
Just think how many folks have justified the reverse to themselves: "It's only $4999, but I get an extra 19", that's like almost 10%, it's a whole different boat. Of course it makes sense to trade this in on the bigger one!"
GreatBayNH posted 04-15-2009 11:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
quote:
$5000 for 1' 7" more boat, no thanks.

I think there's a difference in power plant to consider there too. 60HP vs. 90HP.

As for the fuel capacity. Most people here that I know upgraded the fuel capacity on their 170s. I know I did, but honestly, it's been more for peace of mind as I rarely use 13 gallons on a single outting.

GreatBayNH posted 04-15-2009 11:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
And by rarely I mean never, or almost never.

On a side note, and I know I may be on thin ice saying this, I never thought of a Boston Whaler as a lake boat. I stick out on lakes around here and feel kinda silly when I'm on a fresh water lake with my Montauk. Boston Whaler screams salt water. Or am I out on a limb here?

chopbuster posted 04-15-2009 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster  Send Email to chopbuster     
I routinely went off shore (7/10 mi) and midway across the
Delaware bay of Cape May NJ in my 150 Sport and plan to do
so in the Montauk, it's just a matter of choosing the right days.
johnhenry posted 04-15-2009 01:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnhenry  Send Email to johnhenry     
You look at the two boats side by side out of the water, the 170 is much larger than the 150, not just length. Coming from a classic 13 the 170 feels like a yacht! LOL.
I grew up water skiing behind a whaler, mostly Gulf of Mexico, but nothing beats a whaler for skiing, even in a lake.
Tohsgib posted 04-15-2009 01:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
There are plenty used pristine 170's for sale pretty cheap. If you can roll your 150 for a good price, look at that avenue as well. The 150 is a nice sized boat and weighs the same as the old 17's. The 170 would be my choice though if a 190 was out of my price range. I drove a 190 when it 1st came out with the 115 and was very impressed over the 170.
CLK posted 04-15-2009 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey GreatBayNH,

Thanks for the input.

On the 170MT - What's the fuel capacity upgrade?

>>>...I never thought of a Boston Whaler as a lake boat. I stick out on lakes around here and feel kinda silly when I'm on a fresh water lake with my Montauk. Boston Whaler screams salt water. Or am I out on a limb here?

I have a 345 CONQUEST which I can use for the salt water. I mainly use the Montauk to run around Lake Washington - which is 15 miles long & 22 thousand acres. Any size Montauk, would not be considered too much boat for Lk Washington. Both boats are wet slipped on the lake, which connects to Puget Sound.

Below's a pic of both together:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/CLK_305/P9120234-1.jpg


Cheers!
~CLK


GreatBayNH posted 04-15-2009 04:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
The fuel upgrades are usually either a single tank 20 or 26 gallon moeller, or twin 12 gallon. You can search this site to see the arguments for both.

-Seth

GreatBayNH posted 04-15-2009 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Lake Winnipesaukee is the "big lake" here in NH. At 44,586 acres any size Boston Whaler would not be too much for this lake either. In fact I believe there are more and bigger boats registered on Lake Winnipeasauke than the entire Atlantic coastline region of our state. They're just not "lake" boats in my opinion. Can't really put my finger on it. If I were buying a boat specifically for use on the "big lake" I don't think the Whaler brand would be in the running. I know, I know. I'm about to get excommunicated from this web site aren't I.

For those fresh water inland sea boaters, Whaler's apply, rest assured.


Feejer posted 04-15-2009 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Lots of Sea Rays
SJUAE posted 04-15-2009 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
CLK

I know you enjoy the fun aspect of the 150 and thats part of it's appeal compared to your 345

After going from a 210 to 305 then a 345 in 6 months and also getting a 150 and now thinking of a 170 there seems a trend here :)

2ft makes a big difference in these smaller whalers and most single owners choices are likely to based on slightly differnt factors than yours IMO

As your dealer must love you now, maybe you should consider doing some custom whaler tweaks to your 150 by possibly swapping/adding some parts from the 170/190 to your 150 that may give you that little extra smething you want, else you may aswell go straight to the 190 or 180 :)

regards
Steve

Sal A posted 04-15-2009 08:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A    
I just think it's silly to swap boats like that.
Sal A posted 04-15-2009 08:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A    
OK. I feel better. I needed to laugh like that. I slay me.
WT posted 04-15-2009 08:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
I love to take long cruises. If I had a slip in lake Washington, I'd get a 190 Outrage as a run-about rather than a Montauk.

It's about 160 miles from Lake Washington to the Pacific Ocean. So you can get to the Pacific Ocean in 4 hours at 40 mph. :-)

Or you can run up to Vancouver. You choices of exploratory trips are almost limitless.

Envious,

Warren

20dauntless posted 04-15-2009 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
Warren, I couldn't agree more. I live on Mercer Island which is right in the middle of Lake Washington but rarely boat there. Most of the boating is done from our cabin in the San Juans. Given good weather, a day could take you as far as Barkley Sound or Desolation Sound. I've said it before, but there is enough coastline that I could cruise for 4 months a year, every year for the rest of my life (and I'm young) and not drop the hook in every anchorage between Seattle and Alaska.

Regarding the 150 vs. 170 for Lake Washington, I can't imagine the 150 isn't adequate. I can't really think of any day that you'd rather have the 170 because of conditions. I guess if you want more space to fish that is one thing. Remember, you always have the 345 if it gets nasty or you have a lot of people with you.

CLK posted 04-15-2009 11:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey Seth,

Re: The fuel upgrade - Thanks.

>>>They're just not "lake" boats in my opinion. Can't really put my finger on it.

I do know what you mean. Growing up we had an 19' Outrage. I lived in a different part of the state & we'd trailer it to these smaller lakes. It seemed like 'overkill', or out of place to me then, too. I think being on LK Washington (I'm actually in Portage Bay - which is a waterway between Lk Wa. & the Puget Sound) most boats here are used for fresh water & salt water. I see alot of Whalers & Gradys on the lake. Also, I see more boats over 40' than I see under 17' on the lake.

>>>If I were buying a boat specifically for use on the "big lake" I don't think the Whaler brand would be in the running.

For a run-around boat in the 13-17ft range - I couldn't think of one I like more. For 'Lake Cruising & Partying' - the 345 works swimmingly.

**********

Hey Steve,

>>>I know you enjoy the fun aspect of the 150 and thats part of it's appeal compared to your 345


Exactly. When I first got the 150MT - Sal said I'd probably have more fun on IT, running around, then I do on the bigger boat. He was right!

>>>After going from a 210 to 305 then a 345 in 6 months and also getting a 150 and now thinking of a 170 there seems a trend here :)

Yes. A Gentle Madness.

>>>As your dealer must love you now, maybe you should consider doing some custom whaler tweaks to your 150 by possibly swapping/adding some parts from the 170/190 to your 150 that may give you that little extra smething you want.....

I went by the dealership today & looked at the 170MT. I'd be open to hearing thoughts & suggestions about possible upgrades (no open array radar, tuna towers, outriggers, coffin-boxes, etc please)

ps - Was sunny & 60*F here in Seattle today. Don't be jealeous Steve - I'm sure the sun will eventually come out in your area too.....& things will gradually warm up for you :-)

**********

Hey Sal - I took copious notes of your moves,...& counter moves. You are the Master! :-)

**********

Hey Warren,

>>>If I had a slip in lake Washington, I'd get a 190 Outrage as a run-about rather than a Montauk.

Great - Thanks Warren! Now I know I'll be thinking about the Outrages,.....again.

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Hey 20dauntless,

>>>Regarding the 150 vs. 170 for Lake Washington, I can't imagine the 150 isn't adequate. I can't really think of any day that you'd rather have the 170 because of conditions.

Oh I agree. Had nothing to do with having 'enough boat', rather the idea of a bit more room & hp. Did go out in the 15MT today - was really nice.
Cruised up to Sand Point & back - then putted into Lake Union & went by the dealership. Ended the day at Ivar's Dock,...with some Fish & Chips.

**********

Thanks again everyone for your thoughts & ideas.

The 150MT is a great boat & alot of fun!

Cheers!
~CLK

SJUAE posted 04-16-2009 01:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
CLK,
>>>I went by the dealership today & looked at the 170MT. I'd be open to hearing thoughts & suggestions about possible upgrades (no open array radar, tuna towers, outriggers, coffin-boxes, etc please)

Dam that’s my first 4 ideas gone and I guess on a Lake No need for 50mm gun and torpedoes.

I don't know if the 180D seat would fit on the 170MT but that’s fully enclosed and you could have a custom tank made to go inside.

We can rule out the electric extending sunshade on the Outrage 370, although I'm not sure how you are staying dry in Seattle on the 150 :)

You can add a kicker more easly on the 170 and get back to dual shifts although not quite the same as 3x250 and have longer range alhough slower.

Underwater LED lights and forward chair or reas bench would be fun

See this for ideas on kicker, T-Top, Chair and camera:

[url]http://www.morganmarine.net/Fishingcustoms.htm#170%20Montauk[/url)

>>>ps - Was sunny & 60*F here in Seattle today. Don't be jealous Steve - I'm sure the sun will eventually come out in your area too.....& things will gradually warm up for you :-)

Your right is only 78 here………… at night, a bit nippy.

Actually you would be proud I caught my first fish trolling by accident when a 4lb Hamour (local grouper) committed suicide on my practice run last week.

Not bad 80K for 4lbs = 20K/lb so you would only have to catch 20lbs of fish or more on the 345 to have cheaper fishing than me :)

Regards
Steve

CLK posted 04-16-2009 01:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

>>>Not bad 80K for 4lbs = 20K/lb.....

"No Problem"

:-)

Cheers!
~CLK

Moe posted 04-16-2009 07:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Here's is a comparison I made between the 150 Sport and the 170 Montauk. If you take the measurements you'll see there isn't much difference in deck dimensions. I had the 150 beached side by side with a 170 at Pirate's Cove, AL and there visibly wasn't much difference either.

http://www.luffshack.com/Whaler/150vs170/

In my opinion, neither the 150 or 170 is adequately large for 6 adult/teen sized crew, especially if fishing is involved.
--
Moe

Sal A posted 04-16-2009 08:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A    
Moe, that is a great reference piece. All it needs is the 190 Montauk next to the 190 Outrage. I hope you are doing well. Do you still sail the MacGregor?

Anyway, it was nice to see your post.

Moe posted 04-16-2009 10:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Hi Sal! The comparison was made before there was a 150 or 190 Montauk. We sold the MacGregor and bought a smaller, unsinkable keelboat. It's great to have a tiller again after all these years.

http://www.luffshack.com

--
Moe

Feejer posted 04-16-2009 11:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Moe
Nice Capri. I had an 01. Great little boat, sailed if for 3 season and sold her in 04
CLK posted 04-16-2009 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Moe,

Thanks for doing & posting the comparative analysis - very informative!


Cheers!
~CLK

OIA posted 04-21-2009 12:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for OIA  Send Email to OIA     
I do believe it is written in stone on a mountain top somewhere. Man buys boat. Man likes boat. Man wants bigger boat.
SC Joe posted 04-21-2009 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
CLK--I've actually gone backwards from larger boat to smaller, and then finally the smallest one have owned is my Whaler.

I have found that for many reasons..the bigger the boat, the less one tends to use it.

GreatBayNH posted 04-21-2009 11:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
When I was searching for my first boat I asked people, I knew to have owned boats, if they had to do it all over again what would they purchase. The one answer that stuck with me was "Keep it small, keep it fun". With that I bought my Montauk 170. Shortly thereafter when approached at a local marine store on the Maine side of the river I was asked by the owner what I have for a boat. The response I got from him (with his Maine accent) was "Now that's a good boat. You own a boat like that, it doesn't own you".
CLK posted 04-21-2009 11:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey OIA, Ha! I think you're right!

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SC Joe,

>>>I have found that for many reasons..the bigger the boat, the less one tends to use it.

I've spent more time 'hanging out' on my big boat,.....but more time 'cruising around' in my little boat. Getting the smaller boat's been one of the funnest things I've done - Very happy I did.

**********

Hey GreatBayNH,

>>>When I was searching for my first boat I asked people, I knew to have owned boats, if they had to do it all over again what would they purchase. The one answer that stuck with me was "Keep it small, keep it fun". With that I bought my Montauk 170. Shortly thereafter when approached at a local marine store on the Maine side of the river I was asked by the owner what I have for a boat. The response I got from him (with his Maine accent) was "Now that's a good boat. You own a boat like that, it doesn't own you".

Anecdotally, I've heard the same thing & had similar responses. For example, the other day I pulled up to a dock-side restaurant (Ivar's on Lk Union) in my 150MT for lunch. After tying up - a guy asked me if that (my boat) was a Boston Whaler. I said, 'Yep'. After a moment, he said he'd rather be out & about cruising in my boat, than the numerous enclosed yachts which were continuously going by. Said it seemed more like 'actually being on the water & having fun'.

**********

Now, having said all that - If I was going to go really BIG, & was willing to be owned by the boat, rather than being the owner of the boat - Then I saw my 'Boat Master' on the lake this weekend!

It's a 75' Viking Enclosed Bridge Sportfish, w/tuna tower & outriggers,.......on the LAKE!!!

The owner uses the boat to film footage in Alaska, for a fishing show on ESPN. I saw the boat go by my slip about 2 months ago, headed for the Puget Sound. Then this weekend, it was back - cruising all over the lake. Seems the owner takes it back & forth bewteen Lake Washington/Union & Alaska. I followed him back to his slip in my 150MT - Then chatted w/ one of his guests.

Went back today & snapped some pics:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/CLK_305/Viking2.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/CLK_305/Viking1.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/CLK_305/Viking3.jpg


If you're going to be 'owned' by something, at least have a sexy owner!


Cheers!
~CLK

CLK posted 04-22-2009 12:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

ps - If anyone local to the area is curious where it's slipped at,... it's in the SE corner of Lk Union. You might notice the Zymogenetics Building in the first pic (Glass w/ the 6 smokestacks). Was told it'll be here for a few weeks, then headed back up to Alaska.


Cheers!
~CLK

20dauntless posted 04-22-2009 09:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
Beautiful boat, and it looks very well equipped. However, I think I'd rather have a slower boat up here in the PNW. There's just too much to see and too much to hit to be speeding around in a 75 footer, I think. And I'm sure I wouldn't like the fuel burn at all! For my cruising I'll take a nice Nordhavn 62 or the new as-yet-unreleased 63. They just released a 75 expedition yacht fisher that looks very interesting and should be capable of taking her owners just about anywhere, albeit at slower speeds than that Viking.
SJUAE posted 04-22-2009 04:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
CLK

Noooooooooooooooo your not going from a 150 to 70ft :)

Although the 150 would make a nice tender

Regards
Steve

CLK posted 04-23-2009 10:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey 20dauntless,

>>>They just released a 75 expedition yacht fisher that looks very interesting and should be capable of taking her owners just about anywhere, albeit at slower speeds than that Viking.

Fantastic vessel. You could troll across either the Pacific or Atlantic in it. For anyone interested - Links below:

Overview: http://www.nordhavn.com/75/

Slideshows: http://www.nordhavn.com/75/slideshow/


FWIW: If any locals were interested in seeing it - I Went by to look at the Viking this evening & it was gone.


Cheers!
~CLK

20dauntless posted 04-24-2009 12:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
CLK,

Which marina do you keep your boats at on the lake? Do you know if space is available or of any places where there is space? I'm looking for some place to keep the Whaler at this summer on either Lake Washington or Lake Union. I just can't justify having both boats in the San Juans when I only really use one of them up there...

Thanks!

CLK posted 04-24-2009 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey 20dauntless,

My boats are moored at Boat Street Marina. Located in Portage Bay - Just behind the University of Wa football stadium. The marina in owned by U.W. It's where the Kayak Paddle Club is, & the Ague Verde restuarant. I don't believe there's currently any slips available.

However, just about a 1/4 mile away, in Lake Union, there is. Went by this morning & took a pic & got a number for you. It's dry stack storage, though:

Seattle Boat, Lake Union Dry Stack: 206.633.2628

It's located on the water, right next to Ivar's & across from the Boston Whaler dealership (their new digs). Pretty much in the middle between Lk Wash & the locks. Below's a pic from the water:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/CLK_305/DryStack.jpg

Get you Dauntless down here - Lot's to do & see!


Cheers!
~CLK
ps - If I hear about any 20' slips on the water - I'll let you know.

20dauntless posted 04-24-2009 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
CLK,

Thanks so much. I called them and they have "several hundred slips available." I would sign the lease in a second, but I don't like that they require a 12 month commitment. I'd really prefer that I could just sign on for 4 months and then keep it indoors on the trailer for the rest of the year. If it was indoors like the marina where I keep the boats now I wouldn't have a problem. I'll keep looking, but there's a good chance that I'll end up using Lake Union Drystack.

Thanks again for the help!

CLK posted 04-24-2009 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey 20dauntless,

No problem.

I'll keep an eye out for a wet slip.

You may want to call Yarrow Bay Marina & Carrilon Point Marina. I went by both last weekend, & one of them had a 'Morage Available' sign out. Also, Yarrow Bay has some covered slips.

Best of luck!


Cheers!
~CLK

20dauntless posted 04-25-2009 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
Thanks for the other leads, CLK. I'll probably be moving the boat down to the lake in about a month. It's a fun trip down from the San Juans and it's always cool to boat from the cabin in the San Juans all the way home to Mercer Island.

There really is a lot to see on the Lake, and I hope to spend a fair bit of time out in Elliott Bay and exploring areas in the South Sound as well. Almost all of my boating time in the last several years has been in the San Juans and north. Truly beautiful, and highly recommended if you have time. Here is a photo album of last summer's cruise:

http://www.c-brats.com/modules. php?set_albumName=Desolation-Sound-and-Princess-Louisa-2008&op=modload& name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Get that 345 out cruising!

20dauntless posted 05-02-2009 09:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
CLK,

I just got a slip at Lakewood for the Whaler. This should work well and allow lots of use of the boat. I can even bike to the boat from my house easily! I'll keep an eye out for a 345 or 150 out on the lake...

CLK posted 05-03-2009 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey 20dauntless,

>>>I just got a slip at Lakewood for the Whaler.

Cool! That's by Seward Park,...right?

If you're ever near Husky Stadium,....or on your way to Lk Union - Stop by. I spend aloooooot of time on my boat - & will probably be there (I'm there right now!)


Cheers!
~CLK


CLK posted 05-10-2009 09:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

20dauntless,

Went by your new marina on Saturday - Very cool local! That's a great place to head-out from, when the Sockeye come in. I've been by that marina many times, but never knew tha name.

Didn't see a Dauntless, but I did see a classic Whaler there. It's under a turquoise canvas. Has an old 90 Merc on the back w/ a kicker. It said on the side SL-16. From what I could tell, despite the canvas cover - it looked like a dual console bow-ridder. I don't know what model it is. Also saw a C-Dory there.


Cheers!
~CLK


20dauntless posted 05-10-2009 10:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
CLK,

The Dauntless is up at Cap Sante in Anacortes having the kicker bracket removed and the holes filled. Should be done this week and I plan on bringing it down Saturday if the weather is nice. Thanks for checking out the marina and confirming that it looks good, I'll have to see what interesting boats I can find around the marina next week.

CLK posted 05-10-2009 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

>>>I'll have to see what interesting boats I can find around the marina next week.

Yeah - I'm curious what model of Whaler that is - Like I said, it has SL-16 inscribed by the Whaler, on the side.

I'll be over-nighting right there in Andrews Bay this summer.


Cheers!
~CLK

CLK posted 05-19-2009 04:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Sea-trialed an '08 190 Outrage w/ a 150 Verado on Sunday. Definately has the hp & range I had in mind - plus the capacity to handle rougher water.

I'm also looking at the Grady White 180 Sportsman, w/ a Yamaha F150.

What appeals to me about the GW as a run-about, is it's slightly bigger than a BW 170 Montauk, but smaller than the BW 190 Outrage, but has basically the same power as the Outrage (the performance numbers of the GW w/a Yamaha F150 are better than BW w/ a 150 Verado,....& is a push vs the BW w/ a 200 Verado). But unlike the Montauks, the GW, like the Outrage, has an internal 60g tank, plus it's (the GW) an offshore boat, like the BW. Finally, I prefer the Reverse Pilot Seat on the GW, over the pedestal seats on the BW, & I wouldn't want just the leaning post option.

I'll probably sea-trial the GW later this week.

I'm also getting the final price numbers for each, from the dealers.

Any thoughts regarding these two boats (GW 180 Sportsman & BW 190 Outrage, both w/ 150 power) vis-a-vis one another, would be appreciated?

Thanks.


Cheers!
~CLK

Sal A posted 05-19-2009 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A    
Well, I have had two Yamaha F150's (one on my 190 Nantucket and one on my Parker 21SE), and one Mercury 175 Verado. I prefer the Yamaha. I'd rate one engine an A, and the other a B.

Speaking to the boats, the 190 Nantucket is an incredibly balanced package. Mine had the leaning post. I loved that boat. I really wish you were asking about the BW with the Yammie versus the GW with the Verado.

Good luck on your Grady sea trial. Wait. A thought! In this economy I would have to think you might even be able to convince your dealer to put the engine of your choice on the boat of your choice.

CLK posted 05-19-2009 11:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey Sal,

>>>Well, I have had two Yamaha F150's (one on my 190 Nantucket and one on my Parker 21SE)

Do you recall how slow you were able to troll down on the F150's?

I have the sea trial scheduled for Friday - but curious if you recall the performance?

Thanks.


Cheers!
~CLK


Sal A posted 05-20-2009 05:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A    
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20dauntless posted 05-24-2009 01:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
So, what's the verdict CLK?

I saw your 345 at the dock on Friday as I was passing by on Friday on my way down from Anacortes. It was an easy trip on Friday, but I was glad I was going into the lake and not out of it. Only three other boats in the locks with us, and about 40 waiting to get through the other way!

BTW, the other Whaler at Lakewood is a 16SL. I had never heard of it, but a search on this site brings up some info. It is a dual console boat with a moderate V hull. Each of the consoles looks like a small center console with a nearly vertical windshield. No closing center window like the newer dual console Whalers, either.

SJUAE posted 05-24-2009 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
CLK

Have you considered the 18 Dauntless reverable seat instead of the pedestals on top of the livewell base on the Outrage

Can I remind you before you ended with the 345 your original purchase was an Outrage :)

Has the GW got the same optional extras now available on the 2009 18 Outrage

Regards
Steve

CLK posted 05-24-2009 11:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

Hey 20dauntless,

>>>So, what's the verdict CLK?

The GW sea trial went well - Great little boat. Fortunatley, I was able to sea trail both boats in some chop.

Based on what & how I planned to use the boat, plus considering the prices of each - The GW would be my choice.

Shortly after coming to that conclusion, I found myself considering going up in size one notch (looking at the GW 209 Escape vs the 220 Outrage). Particularly, a GW 209 with a Yamaha 250 with eletronic controls (I think most would find a quick comparison of the performace numbers of the GW w/ a Yamaha 250 vs a 220 Conquest w/ a 300 Verado, interesting).

Shortly after finding myself thinking like that - I wondered if I was crazy,.... and not exactly sure of the answer, I've decided to table a descion or choice for a bit.

Based on my history - getting the right size hasn't been a strength of mine. I'm gonna let this descion 'stew' a bit before I make it.

>>>BTW, the other Whaler at Lakewood is a 16SL.

Thanks. I'm gonna run down down that way tomorrow. I'll look for ya!

**********

Hey Steve,

>>>Have you considered the 18 Dauntless reverable seat instead of the pedestals on top of the livewell base on the Outrage

No I haven't.

>>>Can I remind you before you ended with the 345 your original purchase was an Outrage :)

Yes! It was a beautiful 210 with a T-Top & a 225 Verdao. Blue graphics & canvas top. Had it wired for downriggers, a kicker, TR-1 & duel screen electronics. It was tuff!

>>>Has the GW got the same optional extras now available on the 2009 18 Outrage

Not sure. I was really looking at base models anyways. Both had the fishing packages & the GW did have a raw water washdown. I would wire either for downriggers, & the GW would be much easier to do. On the performance numbers, the GW was better. On price, to my surprise, the GW came in considerably lower - I mean materially. Finally on the ride - Both good, but I'd say the GW felt more smooth, but the BW felt more solid.


Cheers!
~CLK

CLK posted 05-24-2009 11:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

EDIT:

>>>(I think most would find a quick comparison of the performace numbers of the GW w/ a Yamaha 250 vs a 220 Conquest w/ a 300 Verado, interesting).

Should read:

".... vs a 220 Outrage w/ a 300 Verado, interesting).


Cheers!
~CLK

CLK posted 05-25-2009 12:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

One more notable feature about the GW 180 - It's power steering!

Was as smooth & easy as the steering on my 345. GW puts the same hydraulic power steering on the 180 Sportsman, as they do on the 360 Express.

Once I got behind the wheel - I noticed it immediately. Completely different from the 190 Outrage.


Cheers!
~CLK

GreatBayNH posted 05-25-2009 08:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
CLK,
I would have e-mailed this to keep it off the thread but you don't have an e-mail address in your profile.

I noticed you have been quoting many posts, before replying to them, by using ">>>". You may like the cleaner look of using the ubb code.

See:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/ubbcode.html

Not trying to give you a hard time. It just makes the post more readable for other members.

CLK posted 05-25-2009 11:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for CLK    

GreatBayNH,

quote:
I noticed you have been quoting many posts, before replying to them, by using ">>>". You may like the cleaner look of using the ubb code.

Dammit Man - Get off my back!

Just Kidding.

Thanks!


Cheers!
~CLK

SJUAE posted 05-25-2009 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
CLK

I think it would be wise to see how you feel after another season with the 2 you have.

Certainly the price should be more competitive at the back end of the year

Given your rainfall maybe the 2009 190 with T-top and weather curtains would extend your boating, not sure if the GW has this option.

Regards
Steve

BTW fishing going better now and even snagged a 5ft black tip shark by sheer luck on light casting gear, then remembered that there was no porta-loo on the 210 :)

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