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ContinuousWave Whaler Moderated Discussion Areas ContinuousWave: Post-Classic Whalers 190 Nantucket Ski Pylon
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Author | Topic: 190 Nantucket Ski Pylon |
gwcpa |
posted 04-22-2009 11:30 AM ET (US)
I've a 190 Nantucket with a Merc 115 four stroke under contract. With its marginal power and sub-optimal transom eye locations, I will need a ski pylon. Has anyone been able to fit an off the shelf pylon to the 190, such as an Eez-in? If not, and since I can't recall how the motor well and deck space are constructed, what would be the best location for the pylon base? At this time my thought is to through bolt a large plate behind the deck access, or bolt to the front or top of the motor well. I've noticed the whalerboard location within the top of the motor well, but I believe a pylon located here would hinder or prevent tilting the motor up fully. Does the motor cowl extend past the plane of the front of the motr well well fully tilted? Plan B or C would be to have a custom "U" shaped pylon bolted to the transom the exterior. |
SJUAE |
posted 04-22-2009 03:56 PM ET (US)
gwcpa I retro fitted a Ski Eez to my 210 but this was easy as I already had the fishing table socket If you go to whalerparts.com you can view the 2006 and get dimensions and also look at the 2003 and earlier ones that had the pole fitted to the inside of the motor well and handrail. I suspect off the shelf ones may not have a long enough cetre pole for the front mount, you may need a custom bracket This may give you some guidance and ideas also you can go to http://www.brunswickmarineemea.com/download/dosearch/@isnew/desc?mod=7& lang=EN&categories= and download info on your engine size/clearances etc Regards |
gwcpa |
posted 04-22-2009 04:46 PM ET (US)
Steve, Thanks for the info. I suspect you may be right and will need to have a custom fab. I'm going to investigate further first to try to get a universal one to work. I'm a couple hours away from the boat, so can't easily take measurements. Apprecaite your link. I had a pylon on my 17 super sport limited and it makes life so much easier pulling tubes or a skier. |
Feejer |
posted 04-22-2009 04:58 PM ET (US)
DO NOT Pull tubes from a Ski Pylon............. I have personally seen the results of what can happen to the ski pylon and engine cowl when a tube takes a nose dive underwater. |
gwcpa |
posted 04-22-2009 05:22 PM ET (US)
Oh, I know. Had a friend with a ski boat borrow my tube and pulled it as fast as he could with a couple guys he was determined to throw off the tube. Submarined the tube and snapped the rope which recoiled into his back. Could have been worse. With the tube I pull a bigger problem is it lifting off with just one person in it. Submarining at low speeds has never been a problem with the larger new designs, but I know there are many that will disagree. This year wake boards and knee boards will comprise a large percentage of the use, if the nantucket will plane slow enough. |
Feejer |
posted 04-24-2009 08:38 AM ET (US)
He's lucky the rope broke 1st. What I saw was a ski pylon that ripped 2 of 3 legs off. In the process it tore a huge gash in the engine cowl. |
gwcpa |
posted 04-24-2009 03:57 PM ET (US)
It was a mastercraft. The ski pylon was not going to go first, unless it took the engine with it. I may do a custom pipe pylon as well that will more than up to the task. Something along the lines of welded 2" pipe. I'll bet you that in your case the tube was a smaller one that got a double bounce of the wake and went straight under, front first.
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Scott Grey |
posted 04-24-2009 04:28 PM ET (US)
I had inquired at my dealer about a ski pylon for my 190 outrage as the outrage has whaler board in the same locations as the 180 dauntles ski pylon option. I was told that it would fit and that the whaler board was for a pylon.. BUT it is not an option and hasn't been tested for the pylon. So in other words they will sell it to me but I would be on my own! |
gwcpa |
posted 04-24-2009 05:05 PM ET (US)
Scott, Good info. I've looked at the diagram and am not sure what whalerboard you are talking about. Is it the WB on top of the motor well? It appears to me that the motor cowling extends beyond the motor well (well fully tilted) from pics of other boats, but I have not taken note of the boat I am buying. If this is not the location our are referring, then where? Thanks |
gwcpa |
posted 04-24-2009 05:17 PM ET (US)
Just checked out the Dauntless 180 diagram/pylon. I understand now. I'm going to check out the thickness of the well mounting area and hopefully have clearance to install a pylon there. |
gwcpa |
posted 04-27-2009 09:56 AM ET (US)
Checked out the motor well dimensions this weekend. The motor well is so narrow that a pylon will break the plane of a fully tilted motor. If Whaler installed the whalerboard within the top of the well for a pylon, it will not be of much use for that purpose. Also the area on the transom that would allow mounting of the braces baces are so close to the transom cutout that the motor would contact them when trimmed up as well. It appears to me that a pylon mounted forward of the motor well would work, however the deck area between the pop-out bilge access plate and well front wall is very narrow and the deck hatch is not reinforced and does not appear to be strong enough to accept much load from a pylon base. I'm thinking about designing a pylon mount that will mount in front of the well, but also be attached to the top of the well with a plate/bracket to utilize the top reinforcement and allow clearance to tilt the motor fully. I'll probably just pull tubes from the cleats with a bridle. Any warnings of dire consequences from pulling a tube from the cleats? I have not looked, but I'm assuming whaler uses backing plates on 190 the stern cleats. My previous 3 boats have had large backing plates glassed in and I've never worried about pulling tubes from them. They should be strong enough to pick the boat up, so a tube should not be a problem, right? |
Feejer |
posted 04-27-2009 12:12 PM ET (US)
For gods sake don't pull anything from you cleats. They are simple not designed to take that type of load. Use the stern hooks, the ones used for the transom straps |
gwcpa |
posted 04-27-2009 01:11 PM ET (US)
Looks like you are correct. The don't appear (on the whaler site) be thru-bolted but tapped with inserts into the whalerboard core. That surprises me but I guess it is a tradeoff given the contstruction design without access to the underside of the decks.
The cleats are smaller than what were on my 205, which I never worried about pulling a tube with. |
SJUAE |
posted 04-27-2009 03:35 PM ET (US)
gwcpa Have you considered a horseshoe shaped tube attached to the rear lifting eyes bolts and braced back to the top of the motor well via a half height handrail or two braces ? A bit like a mini activity tower You could extend the tube bracket further down the transom and add addition through bolts, subject to wood location. Regards |
gwcpa |
posted 04-27-2009 09:16 PM ET (US)
Steve, I think that is a great idea. I think what you are describing is somewhat like the pylon/rail that everglades uses on the 21 cc they have now. I think this would be the best custom solution for the 190. |
SJUAE |
posted 04-28-2009 03:10 AM ET (US)
I had quick look at their site not sure if the little picture on the 21CC is what you mean I had in mind more like a 2-3" dia S/S roll bar similar to ones fitted behind those crew cab trucks (I think you call them that) and a 2 small braces or even a gusset plate back down to the motor well top with bolt through plate You can add extra rod holders etc to and make it look a bit more purposeful :) I can do a quick sketch, but I think you get the drift Regards |
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