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Advice on 190 Montauk versus 190 Outrage
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posted 06-16-2009 05:53 AM ET (US)
I would like to get advice on the relative advantages and disadvantages of a new 190 Montauk versus a 190 Outrage.
I currently have a Boston Whaler 150 Sport. I use the boat almost entirely for fishing in the Falmouth area, either Vineyard Sound or Buzzard's Bay, which can develop some significant chop and wind. I am typically on my own or at most there will be one other person. I fish in-shore and don't intend to go off-shore. I am interested in upgrading in order to get more stability, a drier ride, and in partcular to quickly move (e.g., 20-30 mph) from one inshore fishing spot to another.
Any advice would be most welcome.
posted 06-16-2009 08:24 AM ET (US)
I've spent some time boating in that area. You are right it can get quite choppy. The Outrage is a bit heavier with a deeper hull...probably better equipped to handle the chop. The Montauk is probably a better fishing platform but the Outrage will likely get you out and back easier. Just my opinion. Both great boats. Good luck!
posted 06-16-2009 09:11 AM ET (US)
Both 19-foot boats will be much better riding compared to a 15-foot SPORT model. Compared to the 190 MONTAUK, the 190 OUTRAGE has some advantages for offshore use due to its hull design, but it also has the disadvantage of higher cost. Cost is often a concern that overrides most other factors.
The difference in weight is not very great. The 190 OUTRAGE is about 150-lbs heavier. Weight is more of a concern for hauling on highway on a trailer. If you have to buy a new vehicle to tow the boat, it really adds to the cost.
Fuel economy is close. Peak fuel mileage at cruise:
190 MONTAUK = 6.4-MPG and 3.2-GPH
A difference of 0.3-GPH is about $1/hour difference in operating cost.
The 190 OUTRAGE comes with the VERADO motor. The 190 MONTAUK comes with essentially the same motor, minus the supercharger. There is some thought that on a 20-year basis a simpler motor is a more reliable motor.
posted 06-16-2009 09:42 AM ET (US)
I think the montauk would be more stable and both would make for a drier ride however the outrage will be a much smoother ride in the rough. I sold my 17ft montauk last fall and baught a 190 nantucket/outrage and Im very happy with my new (to me) boat. You have a tough choice both boats are great.
posted 06-16-2009 03:43 PM ET (US)
Just a few other minor points:
The Outrage can take a few more options at a later stage like T-Top, should you wish.
More Freeboard (3") on the Outrage opposed to rails and it has removable quarter seats
Personally I felt more exposed from the stern on the Montauk
The bow area on the Montauk gives the impression of more space especially for fishing in calmer waters.
Tough call but Outrage may give you more future scope
posted 06-16-2009 04:51 PM ET (US)
I know your conditions and the Outrage 190 is a better long term choice. While you may like the Montauk 190, the bumpy ride in the snot will get old pretty fast.
posted 06-18-2009 07:38 AM ET (US)
Big fan of the 190. I consider it my superskiff on steroids. The fishing platform is outstanding with plenty of room to flyfish and hold multiple anglers. It may make for a rougher ride in snotty conditions but its widebeam and rectangular shape make for an extremely stable and reassuring carriage in rough weather, and when it's nice it becomes a party boat. Plus, I'm not sure but I bet the draft is slightly shallower , making it more vversatile in exploring all those cap cod bays, cuts and estuaries.
posted 06-18-2009 10:54 AM ET (US)
I have a 2008 190 Montauk with a T-Top. No problems with stability. BTW, it's for sale.
posted 06-18-2009 01:29 PM ET (US)
Which one, the 190 Outrage or 190 Montauk? The poster is seeking advice on a comparison of both boats.
posted 06-18-2009 02:38 PM ET (US)
Don't discount the ride on the Montauk. I had the pleasure of test riding both boats in the same conditions prior to purchasing the Montauk. In 3 foot chop or less the ride was identical. The Outrage rode a little better in seas larger than 3 feet but it was not a huge difference. In the larger seas you feel the wave come down on the square bow and the large chine on the Montauk. It is not very comfortable in either boat in 4' seas or better. I do like the 200hp rating on the Outrage. It is a tough decision to make. Both are great boats that feel much larger than 19' boats.
posted 06-18-2009 10:52 PM ET (US)
I fish the same area in a 17' Montauk go for the outrage in the long run you will enjoy the deep V ride I go in late morning before the wind picks up. You can cruise all day around the elizabeth islands and feel comfortable.
Just my opinion. Good luck
posted 06-19-2009 09:24 AM ET (US)
I have not been on the 19Mont. much but do own the Outrage..ala Nantucket since 2004 and most people here know my "Das BOat" is the apple of my eye and I would not trade her for another boat ever. That being said, you really should look at how you will use the boat and which boat does the best job of giving you what you need in your boating experience. I would include things like electronics, canvas, and options (forward lounge) in your determination and deliberations. You may choose to ofset one item for another to get the most bang for your buck.
I know I did when I got "Das BOat" and I have never looked back:) what ever you choose, good luck and you will enjoy her, That I am sure of:) Henry AKA THE YIDDIL
posted 06-21-2009 10:32 PM ET (US)
sheikofthesea owns a Montauk as I do. Granted it may not ride as great in 4' seas but you will never feel unsafe. I just use mine to play in the inlet and surf. Some real rough water I play in like Jones Inlet with 6-7 footers starting to break in the inlet. For 19 feet it is amazing boat. I like to float in the inlet in 5-6 foot waves up in the front on the rail looking back to the stern and it looks big while I eat a snack and drink my soda.
posted 06-22-2009 05:28 PM ET (US)
I was on a recent fishing trip with 2 buddies, my son (who is 10) and my friend's son (8 years old)when we hit a pretty bad thunderstorm on the way in to Cape Canaveral. This was the first time I have ever been on open water in a storm. We had 2-3 foot seas all day and did well fishing. We decided to head in a soon as we saw the storm building.
We stopped and put on our rain suites and life vests. We hit the storm about 2 miles from the jetties. The waves were 5 foot with an occasional 7 foot on the way in with some really strong winds (thunder and Lightning everywhere). It straight up scared the SH!T out of everyone on the boat including me. Visability was about 50-60 feet (when you could see over the waves) so I watch my compass and GPS to make sure I was on course. Somehow we were able to stay on plane and the boat handled better than I thought it would in these conditions. All I could think of was our safty and the fact I was in my 190 Outrage and not my buddies old boat!
Anyone who has experienced conditions like this knows what i'm talking about. It's something i"m going to try to aviod in the future. I don't know much about the 190 Montauk or how it handles in bigger water, but the 190 Outrage is one bad ass 19 foot boat in my book.
posted 06-23-2009 08:16 PM ET (US)
Outrage 190 hands down if you can afford the price difference. It is a more deluxe hull with likely better blue water capability
posted 06-23-2009 08:48 PM ET (US)
Hey High, where you been..?? How did I know you would pick the nantucket over the Mount. hehe Hope all is good with you..hey, you should have made the NY thingie...it was great! Saw a nantucket their with a T-top and Radar! Really nice set up:) Henry
posted 06-23-2009 10:20 PM ET (US)
Hello Mr. Yiddal, I too am glad to see you are well and happy. I have nothing against the Montauk 190, nice boat, nice Whaler.
I have been on a sojourn to the Keys and South Florida, 4,400 miles worth of fun.
Yes, it would be nice to attend such an event, I am happy that you enjoyed it.
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