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whaler007 posted 07-26-2009 11:49 PM ET (US)   Profile for whaler007   Send Email to whaler007  
Hey guys,
I joined this forum a few years back. I am now in the financial position to by my first boat. I've zeroed in on the 190 Montauk. I found a barely used 2008 w/ a 115 on it at an authorized Whaler dealer. I'll be using the boat for family fun and fishing around Michigan and Ohio. But having never owned or purchased a boat before, I was wondering if any of you might have tips and or suggestions for me. I'm not quite ready to pull the trigger. I realize this is very board and general, but could use all the help I can get. Please feel free to share any info. you can pass along. It would be greatly appreciated.
Feejer posted 07-27-2009 07:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Have you tested one with the 135 on it? I tested both and I personally thought the 115 was under powered with more than 2 on board.
SJUAE posted 07-27-2009 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE    
My only thought is with kids onboard is to get the rear seat/backrest option as it felt a little exposed at the stern without it. What other options are fitted?

If you have never owned or purchased a boat before you may not notice the engine difference or need it. The kids may like being bounced around 5000 rpms but the wife is a different story.

Don't forget there is a lot more to get than just add water the dealer should help you out with a good starter package.

Regards
Steve

sheikofthesea posted 07-28-2009 01:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for sheikofthesea  Send Email to sheikofthesea     
I have a Montauk 190, a family (wife, kids, many relatives and friends) and I love to fish. You will love this boat.

In terms of family: make sure you get the bow cushion ( you don't need the whole "sun deck"), but the bow cushion provides soft seating lounge room in the enormous space up front.

Like someone else said, get the rear seat. I have a livewell because I like fishing but the rear seat fits right over the livewell.

I have a two battery set up which provides me with alot fo peace of mind.

Replace cheap orange, but legal life jackets with more expensive but more comfortable and wearable life jackets for your group.

The Bimini Top is key if you want to stay out for long periods in the sun , have older or young people who want to enjoy the boat in the sun and if you want to have some protection from rain. Its great.

Anchoring is an art in itself but make sure you have an adequate anchor, rode and rope. You will have a lot more fun.

Get all of your cleaning supplies together and put them in one of the back compartments. Slide a scrub brush with a handle in the depression over the bilge. Non-skid deck means difficult to get the grey out.

I don't know if you have SeaTow or BOATUS but for a 120 dollars you get unlimited towing just in case something happens on the water.


It's a beautiful, tough boat. Cherish it and have lots of fun.


Sheikofthesea

Nauti Tauk posted 07-28-2009 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Nauti Tauk  Send Email to Nauti Tauk     
You're about to start into a wonderful new lifestyle and the 190 will be a great addition to your family. My only suggestion would be to sea trial a 190 with the 115 HP as well as a 190/135 combination. Although being kinda new to boating, I think you'll be able to tell the difference especially with your family on board. Welcome to our Whaler community!
Jerry
whaler007 posted 07-29-2009 01:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for whaler007  Send Email to whaler007     
Thanks for the replies everyone and please keep them coming.
I have yet to sea trial the Montauk 190. I've looked at a barely used '08 with a 115 and know of another dealer nearby with an '08 with the 135. The one I looked at was nicely equipped with the following:
> Bow cushion
> Fishing package
> Livewell
> Swim platform
> Suntop
> Stereo
> Vhf radio
> Console and seat cover
> Fish finder
> Gps
> Electric trolling motor w/ wireless remote
> Sting ray fin

whaler007 posted 07-29-2009 01:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for whaler007  Send Email to whaler007     
Just thought of something else.
Does anyone know what Whaler charges for the rear seat & backrest to cover the livewell?
Feejer posted 07-29-2009 07:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Which ever one you buy spend the extra money and have get a dual battery setup. Their really only one type of battery you should be looking at and thats an AGM, group 24 or 31. Also, spend the extra 150 bucks and get a BEP battery switch. Don't even bother with the 1,2, ALL, OFF switches. The BEP is a set and forget switch, it will take care of charging both batteries

http://bepmarine.web03.co.nz/Clusters-180.html

http://www.boatersworld.com/product/196978225msk. htm?bct=%3Bcibattery-switches-isolators

Feejer posted 07-29-2009 07:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Here is mine installed

http://8140341.phanfare.com/3711662#imageID=65561914

whaler007 posted 07-29-2009 10:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for whaler007  Send Email to whaler007     
What are the benefits of the dual battery set up?
Is there a problem the stock batteries?
Feejer posted 07-29-2009 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Their is no problem per say with using one battery. However, take a look at your electrical requirements, VHF, GPS, Radio etc... It all adds us and takes a toll. To me the perfect setup on a boat like this is one battery dedicated to starting the engine and one battery for the house (VHF, GPS etc..). What I really like about the BEP battery switch is the way it set up. It will automatically charge the starting battery 1st, once that gets to a certain voltage it will charge the house battery. It does this all day long when the motor is running. Their are other ways to do the same thing but BEP makes a VERY good product.

If you end up with the Verado 135 you want to make absolutely sure it is getting the proper voltage, they can be very temperamental when they are not. Take a look at http://www.veradoclub.com/smf/ . READ through the Information for new owners. Glen has put together a very good site dedicated to Verado's

You also mentioned a trolling motor? is that 12 volt or 24 volt? Thats another 1-2 batteries for that.

190Montauk posted 07-29-2009 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for 190Montauk  Send Email to 190Montauk     
Since you said first-boat and family, consider the effect of wind between a center console and one that can better block the wind. A CC can be mighty cold at the ends of the season.

My previous boat was a bowrider, that with a bow cover and heater was much warmer. I would not fish from it, however.

I'm not saying which is better, just offering some info to consider.

For the most part, whalers have had excellent resale value when held over ~5+ years, so that may make it a good first choice.

whaler007 posted 08-01-2009 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaler007  Send Email to whaler007     
Thanks for all of the replies.
I appreciate the comments.
I checked out the Verado site as well and found it very useful.

However, I am a bit overwhelmed at all of info. I need to have (or feel I need to have) in order to buy. I almost - ALMOST - feel like I should stick to bank fishing.

I did find a 190 Montauk with a 135 Verado leftover from '08 that is priced very attractively.

Standing on the ledge, but am afraid to jump. Just want to make the smartest decision.

Ferdinando posted 08-02-2009 07:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ferdinando  Send Email to Ferdinando     
What ever you do go for the 135. I bought my Montauk with the 115 and have regreted it ever since. It's great on gas but ever so slow starting up if you have more then 2 people on board. I'm trying to sell the 115 to put an E-Tec on board but no luck yet.
divedoctors posted 08-03-2009 09:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for divedoctors  Send Email to divedoctors     
Whaler007-

Which dealer are you going to buy from? I've had some experience with Colony Marine around Detroit that you may be interested in.

I've seen the 190MT and it is a great boat. Based on my experience with the 190 Outrage and the 230 Dauntless, I can safely say that your family will frequently get cold sitting out on the bowcushion when you return in the evenings. It is great when it is 90deg F and sunny, but it is really exposed out on Lake Michigan returning to Grand Haven after the sun sets. Keep a "boat-bag" on board with jackets/sweats/towels to keep everybody warm -even on days you don't think you'll need it!

I had a sun top (Bimini)with my 190 Outrage and couldn't stand it. I get annoyed by any rattle or hum- and the sun top is noisy underway. Even when installed properly, it just seems flimsy to me. I took mine off and never put it back on until I traded in the boat for the Dauntless.

Are you going to pull a skier or wakeboarder. If so, seriously consider the 135 help get your boat get up on plane.

I hope you find the right whaler. I've loved both of mine! -Shyam

diveorfish posted 08-03-2009 05:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
Most items have been mentioned so I will further reinforce some of those items I think a family really needs on/in their Montauk 190.

135hp motor---- It is a 19 foot boat, it needs at least that much power. Whaler should be ashamed of themselves for offering a 115.

Duel battery setup if possible ---- You just never know when you will need it. I was in Lake Tahoe a few weeks ago and came across some folks with a dead battery. They had been stranded for quite a while and were not at all happy. Actually, battery problems are fairly common on the water because you don’t go boating everyday like you use your car, batteries can lose their charge or you can inadvertently run them down and forget to charge them. Many times you will be boating when no one else is around. It’s good to be a little self sufficient on the water.

Bimini Top ---- This depends on your climate. I live in California and have a T-top. I couldn’t imagine not having some shade on a boat in summer.

Swim Platform ---- If like to swim, tube, etc this is a must.

Aft seating backrest (removable) and base cushion ---- A great comfortable place for seating. The wind underway is blocked by the RPS and console. With this option can you have the livewell also? I don’t really know.

VHF radio---- A good piece of safety gear to have when no one is near by.

Cooler (72 qt) with cushion and backrest---- Necessary for extra seating and you always need a cooler (in a functional location) for both fishing and non-fishing outings.

Bow cushion---- is really nice for non-fishing outings.

DeepSouthWhaler posted 08-04-2009 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for DeepSouthWhaler    
Mills offers a forward shelter for the 190 Montauk. This is a good option to have with small children. The shelter combined with the bow cushion makes a nice place to rest. The bow of the 190 Montauk has a lot of room. It is a great all around boat.
DeepSouthWhaler posted 08-04-2009 11:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for DeepSouthWhaler    
Freejer, Did you install that BEP switch yourself? Is so, was it difficult?
Feejer posted 08-04-2009 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
I had the dealer do it. I did install one in my old Sea Hunt and it took about an hour.
jimh posted 08-04-2009 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The BEP battery switch does not perform any sort of automatic battery charging. You have to add their optional Voltage Sensitive Relay (VSR) module to get that functionality. It is misleading to say that BEP brand battery switches are different from any other brand; they are not. They are just switches. If you want an automatic combiner relay (ACR) or VSR, you can add it to any set up. Actually, I like the Blue Seas ACR with starting isolation better than the BEP. Also, the size of the BEP switches is quite diminutive.

The BEP switches are all single-pole single-throw switches, so the operator has to manage the setting of three switches. The Blue Seas battery switch combines all of this into one switch. It is really a matter of preference, I suppose.

To go into detail about the set up of a dual battery installation with an ACR or VSR, the topic should move to SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL.

The use of sealed lead acid valve regulated absorbent glass mat batteries is not particularly necessary, in my opinion. Again, this is discussed at length in SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL.

When Boston Whaler sells the boat, I am not certain if they supply the battery. The battery may be added by the dealer. There may be no such thing as a "stock battery" in a new Boston Whaler boat.

Battery management plans are all over the map. They range from buying a new $45 battery every year to investing $300 in a very expensive marine battery. Battery life is more a function of charging and discharging cycles than absolute battery quality. Again, more SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL topic.

Feejer posted 08-04-2009 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Jim
The BEP switch which was installed has the Voltage Sensitive Relay (VSR) Built in. Their is nothing more to buy.

http://bepmarine.web03.co.nz/Dual-Battery-Charging-Cluster-180-1464.html

Feejer posted 08-04-2009 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Also

All of the Whaler I saw that had Verado's hanging off the back ALL came with AGM batteries per Mercury's Instructions

Merc is now requiring all NEW verados to be installed with an AGM battery. This is not a retroactive move, if you have regular lead acid batteries on you current verados and no problems, you are fine. But why did Merc do this? Simple. It’s the best battery type going for ALL marine applications. It is a DUAL PURPOSE battery meaning it is both a starting and deep cycle type. All you need to know is that is must be 1000 MCA (800 CCA) rating

jimh posted 08-05-2009 08:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It is good advice to follow manufacturer's recommendations, particularly when in a warranty coverage period. Follow their recommendations even if they tell you to jump out the window.
Feejer posted 08-05-2009 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
Sour Grapes?

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