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Feejer posted 02-02-2010 06:14 PM ET (US)   Profile for Feejer   Send Email to Feejer  
[Will Boston Whaler] have the [new 370 OUTRAGE at a boat show in Atlantic City, New Jersey?]
Island Marine posted 02-02-2010 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Island Marine  Send Email to Island Marine     
Sorry, no 370 Outrage at the show. The 370 is already sold out for production slots for the 2010 model year. We will have the 345 Conquest and the 220, 250 and 280 Outrage at the show.
Feejer posted 02-02-2010 08:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer  Send Email to Feejer     
It would have been nice to see, not that I could afford one. How about the larger Dauntless 20 dash 23?
L H G posted 02-03-2010 01:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Recently I heard that 370 Blue Hull #1 just sold, after about 1-1/2 years of being shown at Boat Shows and in various boating mags. How many do they plan to build in 2010?
jamesmylesmcp posted 02-03-2010 06:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for jamesmylesmcp  Send Email to jamesmylesmcp     
Larry,hull # 7 sold early at the N.Y. Boat show it's my understanding that #8 went also. I'll get more info next week as my crew and I head South to Ft. Lauderdale with Exhibitor passes to the Miami Show.
dscew posted 02-03-2010 11:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
Not to derail this thread (or maybe to derail this thread), but David, how do you like the [sterndrive] on your Conquest? I'm assuming you have the 260 Mercruiser in there. I tooled around Lake Minnetonka in one about 10 years ago. Seemed like a great package.

David Pendleton posted 02-03-2010 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
If you rode in the one from Windward Marine, that was my boat. I bought it new in 1999. It was the only [sterndrive] they ever sold (Windward that is, not Whaler).

I'm very happy with it, and yes it is the 5.7L 260HP.

Check out my personal page on the other Whaler web site.

dscew posted 02-03-2010 12:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
David, it was one from Windward Marine (Jim Rivers, I wonder whatever happened to him). I don't recall it having a hardtop, did you add it? Nice looking boat!
David Pendleton posted 02-03-2010 12:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
That was my boat, and I added the hardtop shortly after I bought it.

Last I heard, Jim and Mary moved to Mobile, AL after selling Windward to that other marina up the road. I can't recall the name now.

We should have breakfast some Saturday...

diveorfish posted 02-03-2010 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
Does anybody know what a well appointed 37 sells for?
510racer posted 02-03-2010 01:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for 510racer    
A guess, just under $400,000.
annapoliswhaler posted 02-03-2010 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for annapoliswhaler    
wow! I guess I'll stick to used 13's and 17's!
jamesmylesmcp posted 02-03-2010 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for jamesmylesmcp  Send Email to jamesmylesmcp
Whalertowne posted 02-03-2010 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalertowne  Send Email to Whalertowne     
We have the 370 Outrage (Hull #1) in stock at our Grasonville location. We did sell an ordered 370 with a different color scheme that is set for delivery in the spring but the original Hull #1 is currently available.
jamesmylesmcp posted 02-03-2010 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for jamesmylesmcp  Send Email to jamesmylesmcp     
Whalertowne, what is the current asking price for your used 370 Outrage with over 300 hours and cosmetic defects ?
Whalertowne posted 02-03-2010 03:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalertowne  Send Email to Whalertowne     
370 Outrage
Retail: $500,575

It is a completely optioned out boat. Full electronics, Sun Shade, Misters.. etc (Many of you have even seen the boat already)

I am not permitted to submit wide ranging quotations and discounted prices on the internet out of respect to dealer's territories. If you are interested in the boat you can email us at

glen e posted 02-03-2010 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
[$500,000]. [W]ow. [M]ade of unobtainium [the humorous name suggested for the secret alloy used in Mercury propellers which makes them faster and in Mercury engines to make them have more horsepower--jimh].
Jefecinco posted 02-03-2010 05:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     

Chump change for Bill Gates.


ScooterCO posted 02-03-2010 06:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for ScooterCO  Send Email to ScooterCO     
New acronym that seems fitting WJW - Wow Just Wow!

Nice Boat that 370! I will be staying with my Montauk.

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 02-03-2010 07:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
5I'd take the Intrepid 40 for those bucks.
jimh posted 02-03-2010 08:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Eight hulls sold at $500,000 each amounts to $4-million in sales. You have to build a lot of 13-footers to get $4-million in sales. If you figure a stripped down 13-footer sells for $10,000, you have to build 400 of them. These days it might be easier to sell eight 370 OUTRAGE hulls than it is to sell 400 13-footers.
mgeiger posted 02-04-2010 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for mgeiger    
Interesting point Jim. I wonder what the margin is on a 13 vs a 37. Consider the components and the man-hours. That may level the field a it.
glen e posted 02-04-2010 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
It does not level the playing field at all. Jim is right. That's why Intrepid, SeaVee, Seahunter, Contender and the other big CC makers don't mess with the little stuff. Right now the industry is trying to figure out how to make bigger CC's and why the OB mfr's are moving to 350/400/500 OB's. Hatteras and Bertram are looking for a 45 foot CC to replace the big diesel battle wagons that are fuel killers. Further if a diesel lunches itself it's 50K or so to replace. With a 400 hp outboard, it's drop it off the back and cough up 25 or so.

Also, it's easier to give 5 big CC customers better service than 25 little guys who will nit pick you to death when they have any problems.

I's put $5 on BW doing a 42 CC in a year or two.

glen e posted 02-04-2010 11:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
And here's another market owned by Intrepid that Whaler would love to have: Tenders for yachts. The owners stop at nothing to outfit them. Here's one brought to us for refitting:

Yiddil posted 02-04-2010 02:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
I need more of that unobtainium!@^#&%*()_
GSH posted 02-04-2010 03:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for GSH  Send Email to GSH     
I disagree with Glen E.

I'd say that it just takes a different kind of focus with a different production setup to make money on small recreational boat compared to making money on large ones.

Like carmakers, a boatbuilder should choose just a few things they try to do better than others, and not try to be everything for everyone.


glen e posted 02-04-2010 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
This is not the car, furniture or widget is the miserable boat business. You cannot just make it anymore on small stuff. The big stuff has to pay for the full line business model they chose.

Honestly, resin/foam is expensive but it's not that much more to make a 37 hull than a 23. But the suggested retail price is way more for a 37 than a 23.

SJUAE posted 02-04-2010 04:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Great boat but I can't get to grips with the price especially compared to the 345 Conquest even by BW (Boston Whaler) standards the 345 seems better value.


Whaler27 posted 02-04-2010 07:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler27  Send Email to Whaler27     
I’m not sure which market BW is trying to go after with that 370.

It certainly does not fit the bill for a West Coast fisherman, imho.

The bait tank prep center is just a waste of space. A boat like that should have at least a 150 gal bait tank if you fish the left coast. The front lounge pad is useless to a fisherman, and gets in the way. The picnic table is another waste of space and complexity.

This is a salt water open bow boat. All the up/down & out/back features just wouldn’t last long, or may be expensive to keep up, imho.

Did BW ever notice that Parker is killing them on the left coast with nice little pilot house, outboard powered boats?

Plus, if hull number one is still at a dealer waiting for a consumer, 8 hulls are not in the hands of end users. If dealers are stuck with the overprice CC they won’t be around long with the flooring costs eating them up.

BW should dust off the plans for the Vigilant 32 full walk-around, convert it too 2-3 outboard power, lay-up big fish boxes, big center cockpit tank capability, transom door, & room to bunk four and they would have a big seller, imho.

Or they should hire me and I will help them design and sell out the ultimate Whaler….

Peter posted 02-04-2010 07:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
"I’m not sure which market BW is trying to go after with that 370."

I got on board of hull no. 1 last Fall and came to the conclusion that it's a 37 foot South Florida canal cruiser.

jollyrog305 posted 02-04-2010 08:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for jollyrog305    
Well I have crawled around the 370 several times while at Whalertowne and I am very impressed with it. If I had $400-500K to drop, I would “upgrade” to a 345 in a heartbeat or hull #1 would be off of Whalertowne’s lot.
GSH posted 02-05-2010 04:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for GSH  Send Email to GSH     
Glen, are you saying that if there were no new Whalers for slae over say 22 feet that there would not be any under 22 feet? Or do you see Boston Whaler as diffrent from the rest?


PS I still don't think for example Boston Whaler should try to offer something for everyone, and I don't think they do. I'd say some comments in this thread actually shows the 370 Outrage to be a boat with a narrow customer focus.

GSH posted 02-05-2010 04:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for GSH  Send Email to GSH     
Oh, and just in case it makes anyone over there in the U.S. feel a bit better, I've just found or local BW price list for 2010 on the web:

The 370 Outrage base model with 3 times 250 hp Verados is listed at € 368 000,00 (that's about US$ 515 000,00 ?), and that's before you look at the options list.

But as they say in Lapland, 'it's not expensive, it may just feel that way if you don't have the money'! :)


jimh posted 02-05-2010 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If I were interested in actually fishing 75-miles offshore and needed a 37-foot boat that could operate at high speeds to reach those fishing grounds, I would certainly be interested in a boat like a Boston Whaler which has inherent protection against sinking. On the other hand, if I wanted to cruise around the AIWW in southeast Florida in a cool boat that was 37-feet long and looked like an offshore fishing boat, there would be a lot more options.
glen e posted 02-05-2010 10:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
Sorry Jim, it's exactly the opposite. The 370 is exactly that, a canal cruiser or tender. No one is using them to run the stream or professionally fish. Whaler does not even support any pro staff teams offshore. You really have not been on any of this boat class have you?

A 33T, 36 YF or Bahama 36 are fishing boats for the deep ocean. I love your summations from deep in the heart of the midwest and 1000 miles away. I would not pretend to tell you what would work in the Great Lakes, as I don't know that area. Apparently, you know them all.

jimh posted 02-05-2010 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Glen--You need to read more carefully. Let me help out by repeating the first few words of my sentences for you:

"If I were interested..."

I expressed what is important to me, not what is important to someone else. I have no idea what is important to someone else who buys a particular boat. However, I want to emphasize what is important to me, so I will repeat it again:

"If I were interested in actually fishing 75-miles offshore and needed a 37-foot boat that could operate at high speeds to reach those fishing grounds, I would certainly be interested in a boat like a Boston Whaler which has inherent protection against sinking."

I don't know what is important to other people, but if I were to routinely venture 75-miles offshore into the open ocean, I would want a boat like a Boston Whaler unsinkable legend hull. I don't have to make any apology for this. It is just the way I feel about boating. I would not be willing to run 75-miles offshore in an outboard powered boat that sinks.

This really has nothing to do with me being in the Great Lakes and you being in the Fort Lauderdale area. It has to do with my level of comfort at being 75-miles at sea in an outboard powered open boat. One of the reason I own a Boston Whaler boat is that it is unsinkable. I think a lot of Boston Whaler owners also have that same fundamental motivation.

Whether or not I routinely actually go 75-miles offshore to fish--by the way I don't really fish at all--makes no difference on how I feel about doing it and what boat I'd like to do it in. However, since you have raised the topic of who goes 75-miles offshore to fish, it is only reasonable that I ask you the same thing: when was the last time you were out 75-miles in the open ocean fishing all day in your boat?

glen e posted 02-05-2010 10:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
Absolutely fair to ask me:

1.3 weeks ago to Issacs above Bimini - 54 miles out and 54 back
2. 3 trips this summer to fish the humps off the Keys
3. One trip out haulover on a Fountain 34 to south of Bimini - about 60 out and back.
4. One Tournement in the keys off Tavenier in May, both sat and sun.

You really think you know how I boat but you don't. I have no idea why you think you do. Again, I have no clue what you do.

And as far as "unsinkable" I think this may be something that gives you peace of mind but not me. My idea of being swamped is not holding on to a hull that is awash but floating. I'd rather being in my raft, with a 406 epirb pinging and on my Iridium Sat phone. All of which I own, waiting for the Helo to arrive.

jimh posted 02-05-2010 11:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Glen--I don't know where you got the idea I have some knowledge of your boating activity. I have made no attempt to describe your boating, and, indeed, I solicited from you your own report about how often you venture 75-miles into the open ocean. (And if I read your reply correctly, apparently you do not ever go 75-miles into the open ocean). I simply stated that my personal preference is for a boat that would not sink from under me when 75-miles at sea, and you should not consider this binding on you or anyone else in southeast Florida. Whether or not my feelings on this are reflective of a Great Lakes boating orientation, I cannot say.

The point I was making--apparently not very well--was that the inherent unsinkable nature of the Unibond hull of a Boston Whaler would be a very strong influence for me in selecting a boat to go far offshore. If it is not an influence for you, that is fine, and I also commend you for carrying along a life raft and other safety gear. If you go 75-miles offshore often enough, you will probably eventually need it.

I will say that if you go 25-miles offshore in the Great Lakes, you will probably be more alone than you might be at 75-miles offshore in southeast Florida. I base this on the inference I make from Glen's statements about how much activity there is in southeast Florida by boaters who are fishing 75-miles offshore. It sounds like a crowd forms out there every day. And no Boston Whaler boats in sight.

Whaler27 posted 02-06-2010 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler27  Send Email to Whaler27     
This is what astounds me about the boats currently being built by BW.

I have owned six, all with the idea that unsinkable hulls are much safer out in the Pacific than traditionally built hulls, imho.

As a fisherman and diver, who routinely goes out 60, 70, 110 miles from port, I rarely do it in a non-Boston Whaler. People line up to go offshore fishing with us, partly because they all know we have a high probability of coming home safely.

Schock Boats in Newport Beach has sold Whalers almost longer than any dealer. For years and years they outfitted hardcore fisherman with quality Whalers. I have been out 50 miles in my 18 outrage.

Today, or for the past 5 years of more, fishermen do not seem to seek out the current line. The boats just are not made to please the CA nearshore or offshore crowd.

I have watched as boats like, Seaswirl, Parker, and Grady White took the lead in selling fishing boats out West. Then you have shops like Davis that cater to West Coast fisherman.

It is easier as a traditional Whaler owner to keep my head high, and proudly wave my Whaler flag.

Peter posted 02-06-2010 07:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
The 370 Outrage is too slow (only 54.5 MPH) and fuel inefficient (best MPG with 1/2 tank is 1.09 MPG at 30.7 MPH, only 0.7 MPG at 45 MPH) to be considered a serious offshore center console fishing machine these days.

In the 37 foot plus center console serious offshore fishing boat market, this boat is running into competition from a variety of manufacturers. Just looking at Yamaha and Mercury performance data, these manufacturers include: Contender 37T (68.6 MPH, over 1 MPG at 45 MPH); Intrepid 37 (66 MPH, well over 1 MPG at 45 MPH); Jupiter 38 (68 MPH, over 1 MPG at 45 MPH); and Venture 39 (64 MPH, approximately 1 MPG at 45 MPH). In short, the serious 37 foot center console offshore fishing boat needs to be able to run near 65 MPH at WOT and achieve 1 MPG at 45 MPH.

Now to be fair to the Whaler, none of the boats in the above comparison haul around small living quarters below deck like the 370 Outrage does and as such you could overnight in the Whaler. The others also don't have all the Gucci-like accessories. But I believe a serious offshore fisherman with the resources to spend $450k+ on a 37 foot center console offshore fishing boat is unlikely to buy this boat. This boat is intended for a couple -- the guy that wants the center console fishing boat look and the gal that wants some creature comforts from the home. This boat will do well cruising the Florida canals, doing some near shore (couple of miles out) trolling and cruising along the coast at 30 MPH while the crew sips cocktails.

SJUAE posted 02-06-2010 02:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     

1 mile or 70 same same, must be in a Boston Whaler for me.

I'm not sure the criticism about the 370 not being as fast or as fuel inefficient is important as some may think in this price range.

Being different counts for a great deal too else we would not have diversity and choice we see in both expensive/luxury cars and boats.

Certainly the promotional material has the 370 more dockside with the BBQ on than racing out to sea. It would be nice to have the choice to do either in a 370 :)


jimh posted 02-06-2010 02:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The fuel economy difference between the Boston Whaler and the several other boats mentioned seems quite significant. What is the underlying cause? Is it greater weight on the Boston Whaler boat? Or more efficient hull form on the others?
glen e posted 02-06-2010 04:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
Steve -

Don't think money when it comes to these big boats and their fuel efficiency. Anyone who can afford anything over 30 feet with trips or twins these days equipped to offshore fish is not concerned about the money. It the RANGE that's important when comparing fuel consumption. The [New England] fish guys routinely go 80 to 90 miles one way and many can troll longer with good efficiency. For the Bahamas guys it's all about being able to fish a weekend and not have to buy their tainted gas at $6/gallon.

SJUAE posted 02-07-2010 02:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
I seem to recall a statement from Boston Whaler how they trimmed off 10,000-lbs of the prototype, so I guess they knew they were a tad heavy already, before crature comforts.

Glen, agreed different league of cost considerations


jimh posted 02-07-2010 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Boston Whaler appeared to have reduced the production boat weight by about 1,100-lbs from the prototype. While that is 8,900-lbs less than Steve cited, it was a significant weight reduction.

jimh posted 02-07-2010 03:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Moved to POST CLASSIC, a discussion area where the topic is exclusively Boston Whaler boats first designed and manufactured after 1990.]
SC Joe posted 02-07-2010 11:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Also, it's easier to give 5 big CC customers better service than 25 little guys who will nit pick you to death when they have any problems.

Glen, you said a mouthful with this one, and it's 100% true.

There's a reason why Yellowfin sold MORE boats last year than it did the year before, and why Whaler is hanging on by a thread and a skeleton crew.

What you've stated is the reason.

SJUAE posted 02-08-2010 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     

Thanks for the correction just a zero out :)


diveorfish posted 02-08-2010 02:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
I would have to agree that the 37 Outrage is not a “hardcore” Florida type cc fishing boat, it is so much more. Florida tournament type boats are designed for a specific ocean condition and a specific purpose and that’s fine for them. A “Formula One” racer is also designed for a specific purpose and is very suited for that purpose, but I wouldn’t want one as my daily driver. For that, I drive a Tahoe SUV so I can safely and comfortably transport my family and have the ability to accommodate a wide variety of activities.

To say a Whaler is not an offshore boat is ludicrous. I have always believed that Whaler builds expedition boats, as opposed to, say a Florida fishing tournament type boat. The Whaler is a much larger 37 foot boat the say the Contender 36 open. Much more beam, much more freeboard and much more stability and recoverability. Whalers always ride much larger than their LOA. The 37 is no exception. That Whaler would handle a much wider variety of sloppy seas than a Contender would. A Unibond hull of 37 feet would be a monster. Let’s face it, on average, Florida seas are much calmer than on the pacific coast and can much better accommodate a tippy go fast boats that don’t need the necessary stability. Contending with cold Pacific swell, which is pretty much a constant, requires a much more stable and dry boat. Whaler must acknowledge this because, first and foremost, they build: safe, stable, dry, indestructible, good riding boats for any condition. The Whaler reputation for being an unsinkable tank still continues. Hell, I’d be comfortable in 12 footers on a 37 Outrage.

The added unsinkablility may not be an issue in 80 degree water, but I assure you it is in 50 degree water when no one else is around for miles. I wouldn’t want to sink just because of a failed thru hull and you may not always be able to get that raft deployed.

As far as amenities go, the 37 Outrage may have some Gucci touches, but at that price it should have. The beauty of the 37 though is it is set up for many activities. It’s setup for diving, overnighting, fishing and yes, god forbid, set up for passenger comfort and convenience.

For my personal opinion, I would rather have a large Conquest than an Outrage mostly because the air temp on our coast closely matches the water temp, low to mid fifties on most days.

Whaler27 posted 02-11-2010 03:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler27  Send Email to Whaler27     
I noticed my local dealer has one in stock so I hope you check her out very closely.

I just priced out a stripped down model with 3- 250's and the amount is $ $386,554.00.

That is a lot better than over $500K... but still at $10,000 plus per foot. Plenty of repo'd boats selling below $5,000 per foot. Tough market for sure for any boat builder.

diveorfish posted 02-11-2010 05:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
27 Whaler: Who is your local dealer?

The boat industry really took a dump. Here in Sacramento most boat dealers went under. Here is a list of just a few big name boat makers that don't sell boats here anymore:

Sea Ray
Four Winns

jimh posted 02-11-2010 09:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
According to a comment made by an executive of Brunswick, the 2010 year production of the Boston Whaler 370 OUTRAGE has been sold out already, and this is prior to the opening of the Miami International Boat Show, where sales are typically very strong in larger boats like this.
Peter posted 02-12-2010 10:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
What exactly does "the 2010 year production of the Boston Whaler 370 OUTRAGE has been sold out already" mean? That could be very impressive or not impressive at all depending on volume.
number9 posted 02-12-2010 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for number9  Send Email to number9     
Partially depends upon the definition of "production year", anybody know what that is. Is it their planned run and any additional builds will have a zero replaced with a one in their serial numbers? Wish BW and their workers the best. Hopefully they won't disappoint too customers and loose many potential sales.
SJUAE posted 02-12-2010 02:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
This is all positive, if allocated resources are 100% occupied for the 370 and there is no other available to increase production, is all good news regardless of numbers.


where2 posted 02-14-2010 06:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
I guess I'll have to wait for Boston Whaler to get back into doing Owner Events to pickup a ride on a 370 Outrage. Unfortunately, I spent my last ounce of unobtainium on my waterfront house in South Florida. If I had another ounce of unobtainium, I'd probably buy a farm in the northeast. $0.5M on a boat seems rather nuts when you figure the annual upkeep. I've heard large yachts run 10% of their worth, as a rough estimate of annual upkeep costs. Even if you figured 5% of the puchase price for annual upkeep costs on the 370 Outrage, we're talking $20k/yr if you bought the low end model for $390k!!

I too need more of that unobtainium material...

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