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MikeG posted 03-13-2010 06:33 PM ET (US)   Profile for MikeG   Send Email to MikeG  
We need more seating and size than our current 88 Montauk.

Our criteria:
-Seats 6 comfortably
-2000 or newer
-Can be towed by vehicles with 5000lb tow rating
-Less than $25K all in
-Good for cruising and water sports
-Strongly prefer Boston Whaler

So far it seems that an 18 (marginally) or 22 (ideally) Dauntless meets the need... or does it?

I've been searching the site but still have a few questions.

1)Does anyone have real world "weight-on-trailer" numbers for a 22 Dauntless. My assumptions so far are about 5000lbs:
Boat: 2500
Engine: 450
Gas: 600
Other 300 (batteries, electronics, cushions, canvas, anchor, etc...)
Trailer 1000?

How much does a tandem axle trailer w/ brakes weigh and are my other numbers close? Is there a large weight benefit of aluminum vs steel?

2) Any actual experience towing a 22 Dauntless with a midsized V6 SUV. We have multiple tow vehicles that are rated 5000lbs but only one that can tow more (7100lbs). They all pull the Montauk no problem but this a much larger boat.

3) What do you use to tow a 22 Dauntless or similar sized boat?

4) Is there another boat we are overlooking?

Any input appreciated.

Thanks all! Spring is coming!

Dauntless 180 posted 03-15-2010 04:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dauntless 180  Send Email to Dauntless 180     
You have an email
Buckda posted 03-15-2010 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
An all steel trailer for a 22' Whaler will weigh around 1,200 lbs. Galvanized will weigh more, aluminum will likely weigh much less, so if shopping used, calculate the sale of the old trailer and price a new or "new" used aluminum trailer.

Good luck, and I agree, the 22' Dauntless is likely the better option for seating 6 people comfortably.


GRAND NUSSIE posted 03-15-2010 07:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for GRAND NUSSIE  Send Email to GRAND NUSSIE     
But you had better be trim and agile if you plan to use the potty in the console or to change out of that wet bathing suit. I got stuck half in and half out. I couldn't get in and couldn't get out. Yes, it was painful and scary! But---I'm old and weigh 270#.


mattrix posted 03-15-2010 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for mattrix  Send Email to mattrix     
I would strongly recommend a 210 Ventura, I do everything in mine. Fish, cruise, ski, tube. Check out my pictures and feel free to email me with any questions.

WisED posted 03-15-2010 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for WisED  Send Email to WisED     
Nice boat, love the Pimp lights!
MikeG posted 03-15-2010 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeG  Send Email to MikeG     
Thanks for the replies. Nussie, I'm not as trim and agile as I used to be but the porta potty would still be a plus. Have two daughters now and one in the console beats looking for a marina or getting creative. Mattrix, looked into the 210 and really liked it. I think it is 800lbs in the wrong direction though. We may step up to a full size truck or settle on a marina at somepoint but not in the immediate future. In a season we boat Chesapeake, Jersey shore, Delaware River/Bay and Maine. Need something we can haul. (I like the way you have your 210 set up though!). Buckda, thanks for the numbers. Dauntless thanks for the e-mail, gives us something to think about.

I'm still interested in hearing some real world experience of 5000lbs behind a 4Runner, Pathfinder or Explorer. As well as a good contact for trailer information in the Philadelphia area.


themclos posted 03-16-2010 07:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for themclos  Send Email to themclos     
My galvanized trailer for a 22 Outrage Cuddy weighs 1,600 pounds.

Based upon my experience towing a Montauk with a V6 Explorer (no problem), as well as towing other trailers (for camping) which weighed up to 4,000 pounds, I do not think the v6 Explorer is a viable long term candidate for towing a 22 Dauntless or 210 Ventura.

With regard to the type of boating you do, will it typically be in a lake or the ocean? I see mention of the Chesapeake in your profile.

There are a number of people on this site who boat in the Chesapeake and comment on your question. I seem to remember several similar discussions in recent years.

The Ventura is a heavier boat with a deeper V and will handle the chop of the bay well. Both the Ventura and Dauntless models look very family friendly for mixed use.

I think you will have a challenge with your tow vehicle as well as trying to find a newer Dauntless or Ventura in good shape for $25,000.

Good luck to you. Spring is almost here. The sun is finally shining this morning.


Buckda posted 03-16-2010 08:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
The V-6 Explorer would tow it fine IF...IF...




you have the higher rear-axle ratio - the version that comes with a ClassIII or Class IV hitch on it.

The 3.72:1 rear axle will be hard pressed to tow that weight up long grades. My 18' Outrage with tandem axle trailer rig weighed 4300 lbs fully outfitted for a trip - and while I got good service out of the light duty Explorer (148,000 miles) the rear end went out at the end - from too much weight (1,300 above the rating).

Buckda posted 03-16-2010 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     

The 3.5:1 rear axle will have trouble. The available 3.7x:1 axle is the one you want...'d think my brain went on vacation without me.


mattrix posted 03-16-2010 01:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for mattrix  Send Email to mattrix     
Well my boat fully loaded is around 5500 to 5700lbs plus the trailer is around 1200, so you may have problems... when I tow I am towing with a Denali so no issues. Bluewater Pirate also tows a Ventura, I think he uses a a V8 Tundra with no problems. Good luck!


Buckda posted 03-16-2010 02:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Yes - but I think he mentioned he has a vehicle with 7,000 lb rating...that should do it, although you may need to purchase a helper spring or air bags for the rear suspension.


duckear posted 03-24-2010 01:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for duckear  Send Email to duckear     
I cant realistically imagine towing the 22 ft Dauntless with a 5000# rated vehicle.

I tow mine with either our Surburban or 2500 Dodge diesel PU.

It does seat six with no problem and plenty of room to move about.

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