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Dave Barnard posted 06-01-2010 11:51 AM ET (US)   Profile for Dave Barnard   Send Email to Dave Barnard  
We have an older Pate plastic [unknown acronym] tank which was holed by E10 gas and had to be removed. Fine product but disclaimer by Pate said they would not be responsible for any gas additive damage. Guess they knew something we didn't. Anyway, it was the 27 gal for a 1987 Montauk and I would buy a 24 gal next time for the easier filling access.
Ricky posted 06-01-2010 05:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ricky  Send Email to Ricky     
I have a Pate 24 tank on my 2006 Montauk. Tank cap is vented but mine no longer vents. Tank was bowed out from pressure build up recently. First symtom was when I changed fuel filter gas kept pouring out of filter housing. Thought I might blow up. Reinstalled filter to stop leaking then noticed tank was bulging out. Dangerous.

Where to get a replacement cap?

swist posted 06-01-2010 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
There are so many Pate tanks in the garbage due to the E10 fiasco, I would think someone could come up with a cap.

I trust you have a source of non-E10 gas or you wouldn't still be using your Pate tank.

Ricky posted 06-01-2010 06:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ricky  Send Email to Ricky     
Isn't [ValvTect-branded fuel] [unknown acronym] ethanol free? My tank was from 2007 which is after they changed resin but it may go in dumpster anyway. Tanks were a great idea but chemistry got in the way.

Earlier threads on this subject suggested NAPA had a cap that was interchangeable.

Robert V posted 06-03-2010 07:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Robert V  Send Email to Robert V     
ValvTech fuel is not ethanol free, it is pre-treated E-10 fuel.

Robert

Tohsgib posted 06-03-2010 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Any Autoparts store will have a cap.

My marina has Valvetech enhanced fuel and it is still ethanol FREE...better be for $3.75/gal. By the time you add all the additives and schlep the jerry jugs back & forth, easier to pay at the pump and sleep at night. My tank was 9 months old and it smells and engine runs just fine...try getting that out of ethanl. I have 3 Pate tanks in my shed....just waiting until ethanol goes away.

Chuck Tribolet posted 06-03-2010 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Ricky: I'm about to replace my Pate with a Moeller, and will
soon have a spare cap, if you can't find one closer to home.

HOWEVER: when the cap doesn't vent, the tank bows IN, not OUT.


Chuck

Dick E posted 06-05-2010 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick E  Send Email to Dick E     
Regarding if ValvTech is ethanol free, below is a response from Marvin Griffin at ValvTech.

Richard--The gasoline you purchase may or may not have ethanol based upon where you purchase it. The pump will be clearly labeled if ethanol is present and should state up to 10% ethanol. ValvTect fuel sold at certified marinas will contain our chemicals that help stop ethanol related problems (stability, water absorption and phase separation). If Ethanol isn't present, ValvTect fuel contains the highest amount of detergents (cleans combustion chamber, keeps combustion chamber clean which increases power, fuel economy and reduces smoke) and stability agents, anti-corrosion properties and moisture control.

Please feel free to visit our web site for additional information on
Ethanol and for the closest Certified ValvTect Marina. Also, our ValvTect Ethanol Gasoline Additive is sold at West Marine Stores nationwide.

Thank you and have a great boating season,

Marvin
swist posted 06-09-2010 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
Do you expect Marvin to not promote his product?

My reading on the situation is that he is wrong. To my knowledge, no one has come up with an additive (or additives) that counteract all the problems of ethanol. If there were such a thing, it would sell like hotcakes to boaters, and Pate Plastics would still be in business.

I'm sure there are things you can add that provide a little extra protection for some ethanol evils, but the only panacea seems to be to leave the E10 out of the gas.

Buckda posted 06-09-2010 03:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Well, asking a politician to leave Ethanol out of our gas is like asking a 16 year old kid to practice abstinence with his 18 year old, cheerleader girlfriend. Some can do it, but most can not.

Abstinence is the only 100% solution to teen pregnancy, and no ethanol is the only 100% solution to ethanol-related fuel problems.

But neither is going to happen any time soon, unless there's a sovereign state left in this country that can manage their finances well enough to rebuff federal cash incentives for these and other money wasting, harmful and otherwise unnecessary programs.

Again, I won't hold my breath. State representatives are just as bad as federal representatives. No self control and no backbone (as a group).

L H G posted 06-09-2010 03:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
I just recently read that in the US more of our gasoline dollar is spent on US made ethanol (since it is 10% of all gasoline we buy) than is spent for Saudi oil. Isn't that good for American jobs, and a decrease to our out-of-control Trade Deficit?

With a President from the home state of ADM, and backed by the Environmental lobby, ethanol isn't going to go away anytime soon. And it doesn't pollute the Gulf of Mexico.

It seems the only ones that that don't like it are in the boating industry. To the average "Joe", it means nothing except a reduction on foreign oil dependence, or oil in general, and jobs for Americans growing and producing it.

WisED posted 06-09-2010 04:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for WisED  Send Email to WisED     
Ethanol is a good fuel when engines are made for it (and it doesn't sit a year in the tank). Unfortunately, our use of ethanol is idiotic since its made from corn. As it stands ethanol use in US gas is simply a subsidy for corn farmers and states. Its production form corn negates most if not all its positive environmental attributes. One thing of note is that ethanol as a fuel is less efficient than gasoline since it has less BTU's per unit. If we were really inclined to use ethanol as a fuel source to limit greenhouse emissions all we would have to do would be to eliminate tariffs on imported sugarcane or sugarbeet produced ethanol, both of which are orders of magnitude more efficient producers of sugar, of course that would eliminate the votes that corn ethanol produces. Another political stupidity. We could easily plant sugar cane in the south, hawaii and PR (like we used to) and sugarbeet in colder climes.
Buckda posted 06-09-2010 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Ed - but then you step on the toes of the corn farmers for another lucrative deal: High Fructose Corn Syrup.

Don't get me started there! LOL

Wouldn't it be nice if we just took a year, focused on level-setting the field and then moving forward?

No Way In Hell.

Dick E posted 06-09-2010 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick E  Send Email to Dick E     
SWIST. I was trying to clarify the issue that previous posts were discussing; is ValvTect ethanol -free or not? His reply is, it all depends on the Marina. That is all I was trying to clear up.
surfkast posted 06-11-2010 01:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for surfkast    
Just replaced my Pate 27 on my 2006 Montauk 170. Whaler dealer said I'm lucky there's been no problems so far. Replaced it with a Moeller 26 red plastic one. Not worth messing up the engine. I also had used Stabil Ethanol treatment which may have helped.
JMARTIN posted 06-11-2010 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
ValvTect is a company that makes fuel additives. I have used their Diesel Guard winterizing product before at my fueling sites. I would add one gallon of the additive to 1500 gallons of fuel.

So if you add the ValvTect Marine Fuel additive to conventional gasoline, you have ethanol free fuel with an additive. If you add the additive to ethanol gasoline, you still have ethanol fuel that has an additive.

It all depends on what type, conventional or ethanol gasoline the marina buys to be additized with ValvTect.

John

WisED posted 06-11-2010 05:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for WisED  Send Email to WisED     
Valvtec is supossed to be ethanol free according to my marina that sells it.
jimh posted 06-13-2010 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I thought the quoted material from ValvTect was very clear about the ethanol content of fuel sold under their brand.
jimh posted 06-13-2010 09:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The best summary of the value of ethanol was contained on a large billboard advertisement I saw a few years ago while traveling by car in a region of the country where corn is grown. It said

ETHANOL IS GOOD FOR FARMERS

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