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alfred posted 07-21-2010 10:30 AM ET (US)   Profile for alfred   Send Email to alfred  
I have a 190 Outrage, and I will be going on another long trip where I will need about an extra 100 liters of fuel. I am not keen to carry jerry cans and was wondering if any of you have used fuel bladders. I am hoping you can share your experiences and tips if you have any.
Kencvit posted 07-21-2010 02:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kencvit  Send Email to Kencvit     
With a 60 gallon tank at say 4 mpg on a 4 stroke 150 outboard thats 240 miles. Guessing your in a remote area with no fuel access.
I don`t know anthing about fuel bladders, but I think the large anchor locker on the 190 would be a good spot for one. Or maybe a large poly plastic tank that you could could replace the cooler with in front of the console.
I would try to keep the weight(fuel) forward.

I often fuel my 190 with 25 litre Jerry cans which I bring from town..... with discounts I can get premium for $.94 a litre. On the lake marina`s are in the $1.30 a litre range.

If I was making a longer trip and couldn`t get fuel I might take 3 or 4 of the jerry cans I have... and then could easily add them without having to worry about about fuel lines or siphon hoses.

Your in Austrailia ? What is your trip route? What is the price of fuel for you?

We`re on a much shorter trip here in a few hours... 30 miles down the lake to visit this lodge for supper.
http://www.crowrock.com/canada/fishing-lodge/dining.htm

60 miles round trip. I have just over a half tank on board my 190.

contender posted 07-21-2010 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
During the late 60's to the late 70's drug dealers used [fuel bladders], after they burned the fuel out of [the fuel bladder] they would be toss overboard, made great places for dolphin and wahoo to hide and hang about. I also know the army and navy uses [fuel bladders]. Have never heard anything bad about [fuel bladders].
WisED posted 07-21-2010 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for WisED  Send Email to WisED     
In fact the drug runners used them for fuel because the regular tank would be full of fuel with dissolved cocaine! The obvious hint was a long distance cruise boat with full tanks as it was reaching its destination!

Here is an example:
In September, the Coast Guard and its partners interdicted a vessel loaded with 3,600 gallons of cocaine dissolved in diesel fuel, a technique used by smugglers to avoid detection. The liquid cocaine could be converted into 15,800 pounds of pure cocaine
http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/786/184995/

SJUAE posted 07-21-2010 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Alfred--There's nothing wrong with fuel bladders and I have a fresh water one yet to be fitted as a retro fit shower system on my 210 Outrage. However the practicalities of refuelling from the bladder to your tank needs to be thought out as unlike a Jerry can that can simply be lifted and poured you will need to run a long fuel line possibly with a hand pump.

If you intend a direct connection to the engine you will still have a long line across the deck if as suggested fitting it in the bow locker.

I think a cheap tank between the resting post and the transom with direct link to engine would be better if you don't like Jerry cans it can also be bungie corded to the boarding platform once it's emptied.

Or if you can vertically hang the bladder in the same position (i.e on the inside face of the splash well) with a direct connection and just roll it up when empty.

Regards
Steve

Kencvit posted 07-22-2010 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kencvit  Send Email to Kencvit     
Looked in my bow locker tonight. Not as big as I thought and as SJUAE mentions , you`d need to run a line on the deck, so not a good idea. Here`s a tank that would be good in place of the cooler and about 100 litre`s

http://www.overtons.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=36868& pdesc=Moeller_Above_Deck_25_Gallon_Plastic_Fuel_Tank&aID=601R1& merchID=4006

You could fabricate some type of box and cover over it and reuse your cooler cushion. You could run your fuel line into the console and then down into the bilge from there to get it back to the stern so it would not be on deck.

You could put it behind the leaning post too as SJUAE suggests then it just needs a short fuel line.
But that is a lot of weight there for the 190 , probably not such a factor on the 210.

alfred posted 07-22-2010 10:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
Thanks for the responses folks. The trip is again to the Abrolhos Group off Western Australia, but this time without the mother ship. The group is not that far off, only about 40 miles offshore, but the crossing is a tad rough and that makes the mpg figures really bad.

We will be spending 3 days there and trolling quite abit, so we will go thru quite abit more fuel. I would like to get back into the marina with at least 60 liters in the tank, so I have a decent buffer.

Unfortunately the Abrolhos Islands are privately owned and there is no fuel available out there to recreational boaters.

I am hoping to have a fuel bladder that could be connected to the filler tube or via a fitting directly into the tank, so that it will empty first, then I can roll it up and pack it away. this would save me the hassle of lifting jerry cans and the risk of spilling the fuel.

wezie posted 07-22-2010 10:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for wezie  Send Email to wezie     
I have a feeling that the 25 gal plastic tanks are about the best bet, maybe even two 12s.
I believe fuel bladders will be expensive. Particularly gasoline. Do not know if it applies; however, placing one inside a space will violate the ventilation laws most likely, even empty.
If you can find one you like, you might try to connect it to the engine in order to burn it first.
If you must use cans, watch out for the "new" ones that pour VERY slowly. Hopefully you are not cursed with them.
Pour sooner and when more convenient than later
Good Luck out there, and have a great time.
SJUAE posted 07-22-2010 12:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Alfred

A simple tee valve near you filter will allow you to switch tanks between main and auxiliary

The bladder type typically comes with 4 eye rings that will allow flat or vertical mounting but sitting on the deck still

The ridged type PVC tank will be the cheaper option but the bladder will allow you to easily store it away once empty

Remember you can refill from Jerry cans at the island before your return to avoid at sea problems and with 2 or 4 cans you have a verity of loading or distribution options.

Regards
Steve

Buckda posted 07-22-2010 01:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I'm not familiar with the area - but if the islands are privately owned and there is a landing strip, you may connect with the owner to get permission to charter a private plane to do a fuel drop for you?

I'm looking into that kind of system for a big excursion on a remote lake that I'm planning (several years off).

alfred posted 07-22-2010 10:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
Unfortunately the islands are privately owned and it is Western Australia's prime cray/lobster region - no recreational craying allowed here, but the fishing is fantastic!. The owners will not allow anyone other then the commercial operators working the area to come ashore. They do this to discourage recreational boaters and fishermen to make the journey over, so the trips have to be fully self sufficient.

I can do a overnight trip and have just enough fuel, but anymore then that and I will run short. The trip is 600 miles round trip by road to get to the launch point, then there is the sea leg to cover, so a day trip is out of the question and it will only be worth it if I can spend a couple of days out there.

I am thinking of placing the bladder in front of the consul and installing a fitting so that the fuel line can go directly thru the consul to the tank. This way the bladder is not in the consul. Once empty, I can pack the bladder away and strap it to the T-top.

The largest plastic jerry cans I can get here are 20 liter cans, so if I use them I have to store 5 of them even when empty.

Looks like it may be the way to go, for simplicity's sake - for now anyway!

SJUAE posted 07-22-2010 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Gravity feed to tank may be a little risky as it will have to carefully managed as you have reduced the height of the main expansion/vent

So you should have an isolation valve and make sure you have used enough in the main to allow the bladder to completely drain down

Regards
Steve

alfred posted 07-23-2010 05:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
Yes that is right, I haven't though about that. Looks like there is still more research to do.
alfred posted 07-23-2010 05:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
Oh Wezie what's this new jerry can that pours slowly?
Buckda posted 07-23-2010 09:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Alfred -

In the US, they recently introduced cans with "ventless" spouts - the desire was to decrease vented gasoline evaporates to the atmosphere. The unintended consequence was a new jerry can that pours painfully slowly.

It may or may not be available or forced upon you in Australia.

wezie posted 07-23-2010 09:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for wezie  Send Email to wezie     
Alfred, if this is a one time trip, would it be possible to borrow a tank(s). Returned very cleaned out and full, might work well for all.

California mandated tanks. No vent in the tank, run it through the spout, closes up the spout and makes the vent have to work harder. Very slow.
OK for a lawn mower, but 5 gallons is a project. 10 or 20 will require a lunch break.

alfred posted 07-23-2010 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for alfred  Send Email to alfred     
Yikes! I better get the vented ones before they change the design here! I cant imagine filling 100 liters of fuel, on the water from non vented tanks.
jimh posted 07-24-2010 10:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
A capacity of 100-liters is about 26.4-gallons. Moeller has a 24-gallon on-deck tank that might be applicable for this purpose. See

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018886.html

One nice feature of a fuel bladder is the ability to fold it up and stow it after you have used all the fuel it contains.

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