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Author | Topic: 170 MONTAUK: Adding Hydraulic Steering Option To New Boat Purchase |
4es |
posted 07-26-2010 08:56 PM ET (US)
I'm getting a new [later clarified to mean a new Boston Whaler 170 MONTAUK] [and] have been advised [by the dealer] to get hydraulic steering. What do you think? [Is a recommendation of hydraulic steering just] sales speak or good advice? Thanks 4es |
Kelry |
posted 07-26-2010 09:04 PM ET (US)
Go for it, it is great with added safety. |
WT |
posted 07-26-2010 09:17 PM ET (US)
I will get it for my 170 Montauk as soon as there is a problem with my current setup. When I replace mine, I'm going to get the close ratio steering one. I hear the "standard" one has too much travel from the lock to lock position. Also the "standard" one feels like driving a school bus and the close ratio one feels more like a sports car. But the close ratio one takes more effort to steer. Good luck, Warren |
PeteB88 |
posted 07-26-2010 09:19 PM ET (US)
[Changed topic to talk about a different boat.] |
4es |
posted 07-26-2010 09:29 PM ET (US)
The option is $458, retail. Thanks for all the info |
contender |
posted 07-26-2010 09:41 PM ET (US)
If you can get a full Bay/Sea Star System for $458,(hoses, helm, cylinder, and fluid) I would jump on it with both feet.... As a matter of fact Please give me the address so I can purchase another one.... |
WT |
posted 07-26-2010 09:50 PM ET (US)
I think 4es is about to buy a new 170 Montauk from the Boston Whaler dealer which is recommending the hydraulic steering option for $458. Yes, I'd do it in a nanosecond. Warren |
wezie |
posted 07-27-2010 08:23 AM ET (US)
For that money, I would do it. I miss the one I had on the 21 Kenner. Teleflex NFB on the 170 is good, but the hydraulic is great. |
Tohsgib |
posted 07-27-2010 10:22 AM ET (US)
I am not a huge fan of hydraulic steering but the newer systems are not as many turns. For that price I would go for it but try and get under 4 turns lock to lock. |
lakeman |
posted 07-27-2010 01:14 PM ET (US)
On a 90 hp motor, I do not think I would want to have it or need it. It will take some maintenance as it ages, and some might be expensive, well so does the standard steering, but the repairs expenses are not as great. Having said that, I have not had a boat for years without hydraulic steering, my current, up for sale Dauntless 18/135 opti has it and it could not do with out it. I agree with others maybe the price is right to make a move for it, but not really a necessity. |
WT |
posted 07-27-2010 02:18 PM ET (US)
Many that bought 170 Montauks have wished for better trailer options at purchase. If I were to buy today, in addition to the hydraulic steering, I'd also look at the upgraded trailer options. Good luck on your purchase, Warren |
number9 |
posted 07-27-2010 11:10 PM ET (US)
Good idea to get the upgrade. Doubt options on the helm or upgrading further which may be nice. |
jimh |
posted 07-28-2010 12:49 AM ET (US)
[Moved to POST-CLASSIC.] When inquiring about the 170 MONTAUK please identify it as a 170 MONTAUK. The designator "Montauk 17" or "17 Montauk" is interpreted to mean a completely different boat than a 170 MONTAUK. Please use POST-CLASSIC when initiating discussions where the the boat under discussion is a newer model Boston Whaler. |
Marlin |
posted 07-28-2010 12:04 PM ET (US)
My 160 Dauntless with its Mercury 115 4-stroke has mechanical steering. It's certainly adequate, but it's not fantastic. If I were offered a $450 upgrade to hydraulic steering when I bought the boat, I'd probably have declined it then. But I'd take it now. I doubt you'd regret it. -Bob |
Jefecinco |
posted 07-28-2010 07:16 PM ET (US)
At that price it's a bargain. You'd likely recoup the cost at resale. Butch |
Portola |
posted 07-28-2010 11:24 PM ET (US)
I recently bought a 170 Montauk and I got the hydraulic steering. I can't really compare it to the Teleflex system, unfortunately, but it is a clean, simple, effective system for pulling an outboard around. The steering is pretty heavy and dull, but I'm actually more used to sail boat systems so I'm not much of a judge. I'm happy I got it. As for trailer upgrades that were also mentioned--I highly recommend the radial tire upgrade. I also got the disc brakes, which are great for my location and tow vehicle. Your situation may not require them. |
Jefecinco |
posted 07-29-2010 10:04 AM ET (US)
Portola, What advantage does radial tires on the trailer provide? Butch |
jimh |
posted 07-29-2010 05:33 PM ET (US)
Please begin a new thread to discuss how radial tires provide an advantage. This thread is discussing the 170 MONTAUK option for hydraulic steering. |
boatdryver |
posted 07-29-2010 07:37 PM ET (US)
My 200 Dauntless/175 HP Verado came with hydraulic (not power steering) steering because of the power and torque of the engine. I like the no feedback feature. I don't like how much effort is required to turn to port on plane. It turns easily to starboard. I think this is due to the torque. From some of the postings above it sounds like there is a choice of hydraulic pumps to which the steering wheel attaches, giving, in effect, different steering "ratios". I'd be willing to have more turns lock to lock in return for less effort in turning the wheel to port when up on plane. Does anyone know if I can have this changed? JimL |
jimh |
posted 07-29-2010 10:41 PM ET (US)
Please begin a new discussion if you wish to change the topic to modifications of the hydraulic steering on a different model of Boston Whaler boat. |
chuck21401 |
posted 07-29-2010 11:11 PM ET (US)
I have a 170 MONTAUK with the standard steering and it seems to work fine for me. The swim platform is $500, that is another key option, if you want to get in and out of the boat. |
krbernier |
posted 08-02-2010 09:20 AM ET (US)
I have the baystar hydraulic steering on my 2010 montauk 170. I love it. |
chuck21401 |
posted 08-08-2010 10:50 PM ET (US)
Looks like the swim platform is now standard for 2010 models. Wasn't standard in 2008. |
Barnett Childress |
posted 08-10-2010 07:01 AM ET (US)
Hi all, I've been looking at new 170's as well. Dealer advised me to skip the hydraulic steering and keep it simple, stating less problems down the road with leaks, pumps, etc. |
Jefecinco |
posted 08-10-2010 09:11 AM ET (US)
Barnett, Beware of dealers with a possible agenda. If a dealer has a Montauk in stock without hydraulic steering and does not have one with hydraulic steering he may have a biased outlook aimed at selling what he has vs. ordering what he does not have or worse, you finding what he does not have at another dealer. Of course his advice may be based on sound information and in your best interests. This thread does not wholly support the dealer's position. Butch |
Barnett Childress |
posted 08-11-2010 10:55 PM ET (US)
Thanks Butch, I agree with your comments. FYI, dealer didn't have a 170 on the lot that was not already sold. I was told I'd have to order one to get the options I want & it would be a 2011 model. I think the salesman was sincere in "his opinion". If I pull the trigger on a 170 it will be my third Whaler. My first Whaler a 160 Dauntless and my current 2001 Montauk never had hydraulic steering & I was curious about the differences it would make? |
L H G |
posted 08-12-2010 02:42 AM ET (US)
The complete newly re-designed Baystar hydraulic system is selling for $439., complete everything needed. I think that's such a bargain that mechanical steering will soon be history on any 17' boat. It's only about $270 more than mechanical cable steering. A real deal. That's what BW should be charging for the upgrade! http://www.lowcostboatingstore.com/ TELEFLEX-HK4200A-BAYSTAR-HDY-STEERING-KIT_p_150.html So Whaler's upgrade price is a little high, since it appears there is no credit for the NFB mechanical system being deleted in exhcange, which is worth at least $170. But since the boat buyer has no choice, it's still worth going for. Or, with a new boat, you could buy the Baystar here, take the boat with standard steering, and install the Baystar yourself. Then you'd have a brand new NFB system which could be re-sold, reducing your overall cost by about $200., but not counting your sweat equity labor. |
Jefecinco |
posted 08-12-2010 10:52 AM ET (US)
Barnett, OK, comparison is in order. I very recently sold my 160 Dauntless with the standard NFB mechanical steering. I replaced the Dauntless with a 190 Montauk with hydraulic steering. To maintain some perspective the 190 is a larger boat with a larger engine. I never had any difficulties with the steering on the Dauntless even if it could be a little stiff at times. I liked that I could mark the center point by attaching a bit of cord on the 12 o'clock spoke of the wheel. When retrieving the boat onto the trailer it was easy to center the engine in the dead ahead position by feel. The hydraulic steering on the Montauk is a bit easier to use despite the larger boat and engine. I believe but am not certain that there are more turns lock to lock with the hydraulic steering. There is no permanent center spoke so a bit more concentration and attention is required when retrieving the boat. Now that I've used hydraulic steering I've come to prefer it due to the ease and smoothness of use. However, I doubt you would feel a huge difference on a 170 Montauk. Butch |
Rick U |
posted 08-12-2010 11:30 PM ET (US)
Butch does the 190 with stock hydraulic steering have a baystar system. If not what does it have? |
SteviLad |
posted 08-13-2010 01:04 AM ET (US)
I was just out on a new 190 Montauk. The hydraulic steering unti was SeaStar |
SteviLad |
posted 08-13-2010 01:17 AM ET (US)
Just purchased a 2010 170 Montauk with the BayStar hydraulic steering option. The steering is much heavier & not nearly as smooth & precise as the SeaStar hydraulic unit on the 190 Montauk (same with my previous 190 Nantucket with SeaStar),..... although the BayStar is a nice upgrade from the standard Teleflex system that comes with the 170. The local dealer here in MN (North Shore Marina) is recommending & ordering all of their 170's with the hydraulic steering option.....& I trust their judgement. Great service Dept.! |
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