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Barnett Childress posted 08-13-2010 10:53 AM ET (US)   Profile for Barnett Childress   Send Email to Barnett Childress  
Went back and searched 100 days and read what I could find but thought I'd get some opinions from experienced owners. Here's a bit of background on how we will be using the [Boston Whaler 170 MONTAUK]. Currently have a 2001 Classic Montauk and [plan] to get into a slightly bigger, less cramped, better riding boat with a new [four-cycle outboard] EFI--plus I have new-boat-itis:>

We live in central Massachusetts. The [170 MONTAUK] will be used almost exclusively on fresh water lakes, ponds, and rivers. We might at some point venture out into the near shore salt. I use the boat for fishing, and 95% of the time I'm alone. I'll be casting from the bow using a bow mount trolling motor, drift fishing, or might troll off the stern using the 90-HP four-cycle motor. However, my wife likes to invite other couples out with us. She like's me to pull two adults around at the same time tubing, and she also wants to be able to water ski. We anchor and just relax, she sun bathes, and we swim.Now for the options.

These are the options I know I want:

--delete bow rail; add trolling motor [pre-rigging] and battery boxes

--fishing package

--bow cushion

These are the options I'd like to get your input on:

--disc trailer brakes; my Land Rover D90 is rated to tow 5,000-lbs in high range, but only 1,650-lbs without trailer brakes. I've been getting by without them all these years but thinking towing would be easier and safer with them. My thought is get them.

--Bimini top; I need a top for when we're just lying about. I'm not a sun bather and need my shade :>. I know Mill's makes great canvas but my thought is I only need the bimini, no full enclosure. I also need the bimini to lay down and stow to the stern not on the bow where the trolling motor will be. Can the factory top stow to the stern? If so where does it rest? On the rails or on the aft steps? I'm leaning towards factory installed.

--livewell; I think I'd like the livewell. I only occasionally fish with live bait right now but that could change. I could probably get by with a bait bucket I could hang over the side during a slow troll--not sure how slow you can troll with the 90-HP motor. The livewell could double as extra storage though, plus it does have two additional rod holders. Does it take up a lot of deck space? I've only seen it on a Montauk 150, and it did eat up the stern deck. Really need help with this one.

--electronics; I rigged my current boat but it would be nice to get the boat turn key. I have hardly any free time from work as it is. Any opinions on the Raymarine sonar-GPS and VHF radio? Are they good units? Seems a bit pricey.

Long winded I know but this is a big purchase for us. I'm afraid if I skimp on options I might regret it in the long run but I don't want to over spend foolishly either. Our plans are to keep this boat for a very long time.
Thanks for the help!
Barnett

WT posted 08-13-2010 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Do you think you might want a pedestal seat?

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Montauk170/?action=view& current=Montauk4-10-04031.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Montauk170/?action=view& current=Montauk4-10-04029.jpg

Regarding electronics, I'd have the dealer install better electronics than the stuff that is an option from Boston Whaler.

Have fun!

Warren

Portola posted 08-13-2010 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Portola  Send Email to Portola     
I bought a new 170 a couple of months ago. I'm not an experienced power boater, but here is what I did:

For the trailer, I got the galvanized version but added brakes and radial tires. The better tires were highly recommended to me. I got the brakes because I tow in the mountains and wanted the extra help. The 170 is heavier than the classic 17. Be aware, though, that having brakes means you need the extra wire to disable brakes when backing up. My 4Runner has it, but my Wrangler doesn't.

I got both a Bimini and mooring cover, but I bought them from Mills instead of Whaler. This was my dealer's recommendation. I'm very satisfied with the quality. The bimini stores forward, however. It is a clean setup, but might bother you fishing. I haven't learned to fish yet.

I don't have the trolling motor or live well because, again, I haven't learned to fish yet.

I didn't get the bow cushion. I don't often have people lolling around up there, so they just sit on throwable PFD's. I thought the cushion would be in the way every time I wanted access to the anchor locker. I keep fenders and dock lines in there as well as ground tackle.

Somewhat in replacement of the bow cushion, I got the stern bench seat. I'll write more about that option when I've had time to evaluate it thoroughly, but it is pretty incompatible with fishing unless you fish only in the bow. It also goes where the livewell goes, so it blows that option. It adds a lot of storage and a very comfortable seat, but it's in the way a lot.

For electronics, I had the dealer install different stuff. For the same price Whaler asks, I got a slightly larger Raymarine (A57), an ICOM radio that I like better, and a stereo that doesn't need to be mounted inside the console. The Whaler-mounted stereo really hampers access to the interior of the console.

SC Joe posted 08-13-2010 04:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
You could get the rear jumpseats and the livewell. They are a bit flimsy, but work fine and are removable.
SJUAE posted 08-13-2010 04:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
The aluminium trailer is the same price with the brakes etc fitted

The live well can be retro fitted and as I suggested before if sprayed with foam will double up as a cooler, so I would wait on the option and get the port and starboard seats instead to keep wife and friends happy

Electronics look pricey you could get a Lowrance HDS-7 and a standard horizon 2100 and gimbal mount them for the same price

I would get the top your dealer recommends and will support

I would consider the pedestal seat and maybe even over the bow cushions as the wife can sit and read and swivel to face the sun or sit on the cooler and put her feet up on the seat

Are you opting for the hydraulic steering too ?

Regards
Steve

SJUAE posted 08-14-2010 01:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Warren

I always want that side mount for your pedestal seat every time I see it for my 210 Outrage to stop the wife complaining about no back rest

I tried contacting the supplier Jerry I seem to recall but they never responded

I think the OEM one is top mount similar to my fishing table on my splash well but that would interfere too much with the bow locker and cushions

Regards
Steve

Barnett Childress posted 08-14-2010 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Thanks for the info much appreciated. Hoping to get our boat ordered next week.
Barnett
SJUAE posted 08-14-2010 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Just checked at whaler parts seems the new 2010 drawings for the 170 Montauk now show the bow pedestal seat with a side mount bracket. The 190 is top mounted

http://www.whalerparts.com/Diagrams/2010/170%20Montauk/06101170MT.pdf

Regards
Steve

Barnett Childress posted 09-01-2010 02:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
[Made a decision] and ordered a 2011 Montauk 170 today! Time to say farewell to my old friend, a 2001 classic hull Montauk. Ended up ordering the following package:
--Montauk 170 with blue graphics
--delete bow rail
--trolling motor panel and wiring
--bow cushion
--fishing Package
--install Engine Hour Meter as third gauge
--suntop
--trailer brakes, spare tire.

My use will be primarily fresh water lakes and ponds for fishing with some tubing, swimming. I can fish from the bow while my wife lies out on the bow cushion on the stern deck. Skipped the livewell as I don't use live bait often, and when I saw it I thought it did take up quite a bit of space.

I will be adding the following:
--Minn kota bow mount trolling motor
--[trolling motor] batteries, battery switch, charger
- Garmin Sonar, GPS receiver, and chart plotter

Thank you all for your help!
Barnett


SJUAE posted 09-01-2010 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Congrats, enjoy :)
Regards
Steve
Portola posted 09-02-2010 01:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Portola  Send Email to Portola     
Congratulations on getting that order in. The right set of options is an elusive target, and highly individual. No matter what you get, you'll be making changes as the years roll by. Ten weeks after delivery, I'm not sure I made exactly the right option decisions, but I sure I know I got the right boat. I'm having a blast.
Barnett Childress posted 09-02-2010 07:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Portola,
That's good to know. I'm glad your enjoying your boat! We loved our original classic hull Montauk so much it was actually a bit tough to make the decision to get the new 170.

I had only seen one briefly at a dealer after they pulled the shrink wrap off for me. Last weekend we were at a local lake and another owner with a 2003 170 pulled up to launch. I was able to talk to him about the boat, motor & trailer. He was using it for striper fishing, inland fishing, tubing with the kids, etc. They loved the boat & its versatility. The only problem he had was E10 fuel issues a few years back.

Once the wife got to see the boats extra room and heard comments about the ride, I got the "go get one" :>

The only option I was on the fence about was deleting the bow rail over trying to modify it for use with a hand control TM I plan to use. I also wanted the TM panel to keep the bow uncluttered. I checked with BW & they would not build me a boat with the rail & the TM panel. After seeing some pics and thinking about the type of fishing I'm doing I think it was the way to go.
Barnett

SC Joe posted 09-04-2010 02:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Don't do this.

Spend that same $30K on a boat that you'll actually be able to use in something above a 1' chop in a lake.

By a used something. Too many used boats out there to drop that kind of coin on an over hyped, over priced 17' boat.

I did it..and wish someone would have told me the same thing. The day I traded my Motauk 170 was a great day!

chuck21401 posted 09-06-2010 08:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for chuck21401  Send Email to chuck21401     
I respectfully disagree with SC Joe; these boats can be used in a variety of conditions. I have a 2008 170 Montauk with the 90 FourStroke engine. I ordered it with the suntop, swim platform (standard these days), console and pilot seat cover and the fishing package. I've had good luck with my boat. We try to use it every weekend. Just yesterday we took a 40 mile roundtrip cruise on the Chesapeake Bay (West River to Knapps Narrows and back). The bay was a bit choppy so we couldn't go too fast but the Montauk did just fine. I didn't even burn a full tank (6.5 gallon) of gas.

Congratulations on the 2011 Montauk, you will really enjoy it.

Barnett Childress posted 09-06-2010 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Thanks for the opinions both pro & con. I'm happy I pulled the trigger and now the waiting game...

As it's so late in the season I'm debating taking delivery in October or waiting until early spring. Dealer will hold the boat and deliver in the spring if I decide to wait.

Nauti Tauk posted 09-07-2010 07:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Nauti Tauk  Send Email to Nauti Tauk     
Your 170 Montauk will be a joy to own period. The boat isn't big enought to do everthing, but consider this. Easy to tow behind a smaller vehicle,easy to launch and retrieve by yourself, very inexpensive to insure, sips fuel, easy to clean, big enough for a wife and a child or two to enjoy the water saftely,pride in owning the safest boat on the water and the list goes on. Oh, bye the way, don't think for a minute that your new girl doesn't have a tough side, she does. Many many stories are posted concerning the sea worthiness of the Montauk. It'll run in a chop just fine. Trust me on this, your new Whaler will and can take far more abuse than you can. Congrats on your new boat....you'll log many a happy memory with her under you.
SJUAE posted 09-07-2010 03:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Barnett

There are those who like new and those who don't mind second hand boat/car/etc

You have made your decision based on many factors that are important to you is all that counts, so enjoy

else

30k will buy you a 1959 +35 footer LOL

Regards
Steve

Barnett Childress posted 09-08-2010 07:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Nauti Tauk:
I agree! I love these boats for all the reasons you mention. This will be our 3rd Whaler. Personally I really like the changes Whaler has made to the Montauk.

I actually looked at some flats style boats; Maverick, Action Craft & Egret for the fishing I like to do, but nothing was as versatile as the Montauk.

SJUAE:
I did want new. I want to outfit this boat from scratch. As far as cost goes, each person has to decide how they want to spend their hard earned $$. When I look at the price I paid for my 2001 classic Montauk and the price I got for her almost 10 years later, the cost of ownership was not that high IMO given all the enjoyment we got out of the boat.

Robert V posted 09-09-2010 08:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Robert V  Send Email to Robert V     
Barnett,

Congrats on the new 170 Montauk, I think you will love the boat. I had one for a couple years and really enjoyed it. It is/was very easy to launch, load, clean and trailer. I thought the ride was very good for it's size, took a moderate chop with ease. I had no problems with the Mercury motor or the boat. I did upgrade to a larger fuel tank, went with a Moeller 26G tank. It was a perfect fit under the RPS (see forum for more details on tank selections, there's alot of info available). Enjoy your new boat, I'm sure the wait is killing you!

Robert

andygere posted 09-09-2010 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Barnett,
Congrats on the new Montauk. Pros for taking it now is that you have all winter to tinker, set up electronics, was and polish and do any other rigging in preparation for next season. If the boat is already in stock, the dealer will likely just shrink wrap it and leave it in his yard. Chances are you will do a better job of winter storage than the dealer will. Who knows, you may have a warm fall and get a few days of glorious boating in before the cold weather arrives.

Cons on buying now are tying your money up for a few months when it could (hopefully) earn you a bit of interest. I would wait for spring delivery only if the dealer will guarantee the price in writing, and ensure that the boat will be prepped and ready when you want it. Keep in mind, boat dealers are very busy in the spring, with lots of customers demanding attention. In the fall things are much slower, and you may get better attention to detail on preparation, follow up on punch list items, etc. God forbid there is a warranty issue, taking the boat in fall would allow all winter to get it cleared up without infringing on the boating season.

Food for thought...

sapple posted 09-10-2010 04:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for sapple  Send Email to sapple     
I purchased a 170 Montauk new in 2008 left over from 2007. It has the Merc 90 FS EFI engine. I have about 350 hrs on the engine now, no problems so far, starts instantly on the first turn every time. If you are in 2 foot+ chop, you do have to slow down or get pounded. However, I have been out with other larger Whalers in VERY rough coastal waters where 20 foot+ boats were taking water over the bow but the Montauk never did. (maybe I was just lucky) On the other hand, when at anchor, the boat is very stable when people move around. Mine has aft seats which are handy when at anchor and you have two or more people on board. It gives people more places to settle. Personally, I like the bow rail. But I don't fish so am more concerned about security that fishing friendly. Also, it seems to extend the space of the bow area since you dont have to worry about falling over when relaxing or moving around the bow area. The swim platform is essential and IMO so is the bimini top. I don't have brakes on my trailer but my tow vehicle (Toyota Tundra) seems to handle the boat just fine.
Barnett Childress posted 09-11-2010 08:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Andygere:
Good thoughts on getting it now vs. spring. If it gets here early enough I might! I'm in New England and the boat has to sit outside under a garage car port for the winter so I can't work on her. Boat comes shrink wrapped from Whaler and would sit at dealer that way until I pick her up in April.

Sapple:
Glad to hear the new Merc EFI has been a good motor for you. My 2001 classic hull Montauk came with the Mercury carburetor 90-HP four-cycle and I had a lot of hard starting issues and clunking. I pulled it off in 2002 and replaced it with a Yamaha 90-HP two-cycle and Yamaha 8-HP four-cycle hi-thrust kicker for the same overall weight. I decided to give Mercury another shot due to EFI being easy start and being able to troll with the same engine.

An update on the options:
Wife really wanted to keep the bow rail for safety and I really need to fish from the bow with a bow mounted trolling motor. After I talked to Chuck Bennett at Boston Whaler I was able to get the dealer to custom order the boat with the bow rail and the trolling motor panel installed! Not one or the other. I want to keep the bow clean and didn't want to run power cables from the trolling motor to the console as I did before. I'll get a Minn Kota ST trolling motor to deploy under the rail or modify the rail.

I also found a guy who makes custom high quality 360 stainless steel replacement bow side rails for classic Montauk's. That might be an option to have him make up some for the 170 to keep the front of the bow open for the trolling motor and easy beach boarding.
Barnett

jimh posted 09-11-2010 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It would be hard to resist going out for a sea trial on a new boat this fall. There will be a few wonderfully warm days ahead. Keep your fall boating options open.
SJUAE posted 09-11-2010 02:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
I,m always envious of new boat owners, I certainly could not wait and as Jim says there's always the possibility of a good day for on the water for a trial or mods on the driveway

I have not looked at trolling motors, is it the stowed position that causes the problem ?

Regards
Steve

Barnett Childress posted 09-11-2010 06:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
SJUAE,
It's deploying the motor. It rises off the deck in an arc and hits the rail before fully in the down position. Usually once its stowed or deployed the rail is clear.
Barnett
Traveller posted 09-12-2010 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Traveller  Send Email to Traveller     
I have a 2008 170 Montauk, and have been fishing Southern Kingfish Association tournaments on it since buying it new in the early spring of 2008. I have qualified for the SKA national championships in '08, '09, and '10 with my 170. I can't run with the 31 Contenders and other go-fast boats, but that's not what the boat was built for anyway. I adjust my speed to the conditions, and enjoy the days I get to spend on the ocean without beating up the boat or the crew.

The boat is also great for fishing inshore for sea trout, flounder, and redfish. The Mercury 4-stroke sips gas, and has never let me down on the water. I have over 400 hours on the motor already. I'm a lousy fresh-water fisherman, but my wife and I take our Montauk 170 to the local mountain lakes and enjoy picnics and scenic cruises all through the spring, summer, and fall.

The boat does everything I want a boat to do, and does it beautifully. Enjoy your new Montauk 170. It's an awesome boat!

Nauti Tauk posted 09-12-2010 03:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Nauti Tauk  Send Email to Nauti Tauk     
The question of clearance for a bow mounted trolling motor has been raised numerous times. I have a 2003 170 Montauk with a bow mounted Minn Kota 55ST/AP/CP troling motor and it clears the rail just fine slthough close. I used the Minn Kota quick mount which has worked out very well. The 55#s of thrust has filled my needs for freshwater as well as inshore saltwater usage.
Barnett Childress posted 06-20-2011 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Just wanted to give a belated thank you to you all for your advice here.

We bought the Montauk 170 late 2010 with an expected 4/11 delivery. However due to work schedule, truck issues and severe overall crappy weather this year we just picked up the boat at the beginning of June!

Two more weeks of cold wet stormy weather and then finally yesterday we got her launched for the first time. Great boat, both my wife and I really enjoyed it. She loves it compared to the original Montauk hull we had, stating the ride, roominess, etc. makes for a much more comfortable day on the water.

We kept it pretty simple. I kept the bow rail, but did have Whaler install the bow TM panel. Cooler/fishing package, front bow cushion, factory bimini, trailer brakes. Bimini is made well and does it's job of letting me stay out longer without getting fried in the sun while the wife takes full advantage of the bow cushion :>.

So far I love the Merc 90hp 4S EFI w/Vengance prop. Big difference over the old carbed 2S 90hp Yam we had. I swore after the last Merc 90HP 4S carbed engine we had I would not get another but this seems to have corrected the clunking lower unit, hard starting, etc.
All the best & tight lines,
Barnett

johnhenry posted 06-20-2011 03:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnhenry  Send Email to johnhenry     
Congratulations on your new boat. I am sure you will love it as I do mine. I had my misgivings about the engine when I first got my 170, but my comfort level is way up now. It is a great boat and I could not see myself being happy with a classic 17 due to the stability of the 170.
chuck21401 posted 06-29-2011 03:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for chuck21401  Send Email to chuck21401     
Interesting that you engine has the Vengeance prop. Was that a special request or is that the prop that 170 Montauks come with now? My 2008 170 Montauk has the 20" Laser II prop.

WT posted 06-29-2011 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Your new 170 Montauk should come with a 20" Laser II stainless steel propeller. The older carbureted 170 Montauks came with Vengeance 18" props.

Here is the performance specifications of the 2011 170 Montauk with the Laser II.

http://www.bostonwhaler.com/boat_graphics/eprowebsitemedia/2904/ EnginePerformance/204634_EnginePerf.pdf

Warren

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