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chuck130 posted 09-02-2011 11:03 AM ET (US)   Profile for chuck130   Send Email to chuck130  
I saw a presentation from Boston Whaler that shows the 285 Conquest has been re-designed from the ground up. There is a new hull over two-feet shorter, mainly due to deletion of the bow pulpit. [There is a] full front windshield. There are three different platforms:

--open and full windshield in front only with smaller side windows;

--enclosed full front and side windshield;

--pilothouse and full front and side windshield with aft fiberglass bulkhead instead of a drop curtain.

It looks great in my opinion and offers many new options.--Chuck

jollyrog305 posted 09-02-2011 12:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for jollyrog305    
[The newly re-designed 2012 285 CONQUEST] also has a bow thruster.
chuck130 posted 09-02-2011 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for chuck130  Send Email to chuck130     
Bow thruster is an option. Do you think [a bow thruster is] needed for the 285?
Jefecinco posted 09-02-2011 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
A bow thruster can be very useful on a long boat with a lot of sail area, in particular when powered with a single engine. In areas where stiff breezes are a routine presence, when tight maneuvering is required, a bow thruster can be almost essential, unless the boat is captained by a very experienced captain. If my budget would handle a new 285 Conquest I would include a bow thruster in the options. It could be an important factor in resale.--Butch
martyn1075 posted 09-03-2011 12:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
Where could the average joe see this [presentation]?
chuck130 posted 09-03-2011 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for chuck130  Send Email to chuck130     
I imagine you should be able to see pictures soon on the Boston Whaler website and in-person at the fall and winter Florida boat shows.
Mambo Minnow posted 09-04-2011 07:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
Forum member Schmaltz Herring will be disappointed. He was looking at a 305 Conquest but bought a SeaVee because he could not order it with a bow thrusters.

My last Navy ship was single shafted, but had a bow thrusters. It made a huge difference docking a 589-foot vessel!

pete r posted 09-04-2011 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Once you start putting on enclosed pilot stations you get more windage, and,much the same on a big boat, you catch higher and stronger wind pressure. Larger power boats and sailing yachts are exposed to the higher wind pressures blowing at head height over the marinas, where the smaller boats share shelter of the dockside structure. Bow thrusters are now cheaper and reliable and I would certainly have [a bow thruster] on a 38-foot plus-yacht and 30-foot plus-power boats. However if you normally boat in a windy or tidal area with strong currents then you would consider a bow thruster on a power boat over 25-feet. They are not practical on small sailing yachts because they are hindered by the weight and power consumption.
macfam posted 09-05-2011 07:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for macfam  Send Email to macfam     
We have a bow thruster on our Albin 28, single diesel. What a beautiful thing!

The last thing we want to do while maneuvering is to ding a 55-foot Hinckley. Yup, a beautiful thing. And, it's NOT cheating!!)

K Albus posted 09-06-2011 03:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Thanks to themclos in the Montauk 210 thread, here's a link to a couple of pictures of the new Conquest 285. Click on the pictures to enlarge: http://bostonwhaler.com.hr/article.asp?id=68
martyn1075 posted 09-14-2011 10:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
Nice find. I actually really like [the newly re-designed 2012 Boston Whaler 285 CONQUEST] from the side [view]. I hope [Boston Whaler] have included a galley and enclosed head. If so, I think [Boston Whaler] may have something. The 255 is OK, but I expected more in the interior. It fell flat. However this one could fill the gap quite nicely. I see it happens to leave the bow extension off, which will be slightly more moorage friendly.

Martyn

martyn1075 posted 09-15-2011 01:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
[The newly re-designed 2012 Boston Whaler 285 CONQUEST] does offer a closed head and galley. I am sure it also offers a hefty price tag!

http://bostonwhaler.com.hr/yachts_show.asp?YachtID=593

Mambo Minnow posted 09-17-2011 05:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
Stepped aboard today at Newport International Boat Show. Boat show price was $214,900. Twin Verado 250's. I will post pictures later.
jimh posted 09-17-2011 08:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
My initial reaction to the boat design is very mixed. The arrangement with the anchor on the bow is terrible.
David Pendleton posted 09-17-2011 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I agree. Every other manufacturer in this class has a bow pulpit. I think Whaler is cheaping-out on newer boats, and that's just one example.

I also really, really wish they'd stop with the pseudo-Carolina Flare. I looks terrible.

martyn1075 posted 09-18-2011 02:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
I know you can really see the Sea Ray mixed in the design.
Hoosier posted 09-18-2011 08:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Sometimes I really wish BRP would buy Whaler from Brunswick, then at least the engines would match the hull color... ;-)
Jefecinco posted 09-18-2011 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Carolina flare? Sorry, I cant see it in this model. I am amongst those who like the looks of this boat

Some SeaRay DNA is in the design. Sure, just about every modern cabin boat shares some SeaRay DNA as well as DNA from most other builders.

I, too, wish Mercury would make engines available in white.

Personally, I don't miss a bow pulpit. If one cares to trailer such a large boat the pulpit is almost always awkward when at the ramp. Extra care is required when docking around pilings to avoid banging the pulpit. Slip rent is higher because almost every marina includes the pulpit in the footage measurement. And, of course, the pulpit is just that little bit more to pay for, insure, and maintain. Then again, they're handy for anchoring. The good part is that if you want a pulpit you can add one.

Butch

David Pendleton posted 09-18-2011 04:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Right, which is why I called it "pseudo-Carolina Flare."

Whatever you want to call the design feature where the topsides arch upward from just before the hardtop to the bow.

I doesn't work on a Whaler.

K Albus posted 09-18-2011 06:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Dave - I think what you're complaining about is "reverse sheer", where the sheer line of the boat is higher in the middle than it is at either the bow or the stern.

Here's a picture of Carolina Bow Flare: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bnr3ZLNsKTA/R6mkwJauMyI/AAAAAAAAAv4/ Xfqy2T6ut5k/s400/2007-04-29%2B18-29-56_0004.JPG

David Pendleton posted 09-18-2011 06:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Again, that's why I called in "pseudo-Carolina Flare;" it has the sheer but not the flare.

The design in the link you posted serves and actual purpose: it deflects water in very rough seas.

Whaler's implementation is purely cosmetic, and I don't think it's very Whaler-like given their history.

Jefecinco posted 09-18-2011 07:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
David,

If we are looking at the same thing the sheer line forward of the cockpit provides useful headroom in the cabin.

Butch

diveorfish posted 09-19-2011 12:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
What strikes me about this boat is not the shear line, but the strake line meaning the line that the reverse chine takes. The 98-03 vintage hulls are gone with the exception of the 255 Conquest. The reverse chine is much more pronounced and the curve starts closer to the bow. To me, these hulls favored recovery and lateral stability over a sharper entry to soften the head sea ride. I can’t completely tell by the pictures, but the hull of new 285 looks more like a 255 hull than a 305 hull which would possibly constitute a throwback to the 255 Conquest hull shape which is rock solid stable but is a little harsher in a head sea.

Also, because whalers are foam filled. They must have thick hulls in order to maintain unsinkability. The result is a huge loss of cabin space compared to other boats their size. That is why the 255 conquest has such a minimal cabin for such a big boat. That’s the price you pay for an unsinkable Whaler.

diveorfish posted 09-19-2011 12:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
What strikes me about this boat is not the shear line, but the strake line meaning the line that the reverse chine takes. The 98-03 vintage hulls are gone with the exception of the 255 Conquest. The reverse chine is much more pronounced and the curve starts closer to the bow. To me, these hulls favored recovery and lateral stability over a sharper entry to soften the head sea ride. I can’t completely tell by the pictures, but the hull of new 285 looks more like a 255 hull than a 305 hull which would possibly constitute a throwback to the 255 Conquest hull shape which is rock solid stable but is a little harsher in a head sea.

Also, because whalers are foam filled. They must have thick hulls in order to maintain unsinkability. The result is a huge loss of cabin space compared to other boats their size. That is why the 255 conquest has such a minimal cabin for such a big boat. That’s the price you pay for an unsinkable Whaler.

martyn1075 posted 09-20-2011 01:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
I don't mind it I think it may grow as time moves on but like I said its a model derived from the 345 Conquest nothing else. Take a look you will see it.


http://s813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/martyn1075/New%20285%20Conquest/ ?albumview=slideshow

Its what Whaler thinks is their unique style to the modern day walk-around style boat. The Sea Ray appearance I think is where others have commented is evident in the reverse line from below the windshield that meets the tip of the bow. From some angles it appears like it points down to the water. Modern day mini yacht cruiser look. The overall look imo does not scream fishing like the classics did. However I am sure its a great fishing boat as well.


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bluewaterpirate posted 09-21-2011 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
These newer models also have more transom deadrise than previous conguests.
bluewaterpirate posted 09-21-2011 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
The Conquest 285 is posted on the Whaler website.

http://www.bostonwhaler.com/

Tom

Basshole posted 09-22-2011 04:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Basshole  Send Email to Basshole     
I think it's a great lookin' boat...very much a mini 345 (my favorite boat on planet Earth). In my opinion the shear works very well on Whalers. I own a non-sheared Conquest and prefer the look of the shear. It makes for a more aggressive styling. As for the pulpit, I don't really see the need for one for my own use. I haven't anchored my boat once in the last two years. I'm either drifting, trolling, or running. If I did need to anchor up, I think what it has would suffice and not get in the way like a full blown pulpit would. Hopefully, enough people will dislike them as much as David does so I can pick up a used one in a few years for a fraction of the cost ;)
Mambo Minnow posted 09-22-2011 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc147/MamboMinnow/ 2011%20Newport%20International%20Boat%20Show/

Sorry for the delay...business travel on the road this week delayed my posting the Conquest 285 photos to Photobucket.

Pardon the photos. Taken with my iPhone, so not the best quality. I did not get a good photo of the aft berthing under the main deck aft. My wife really liked that feature and the placement of the LCD tv screen to view from the berth.

Overall, I think they upgraded both the handling characteristics of the hull and made the cuddy cabin more habitable for live aboards.

Basshole posted 09-22-2011 11:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Basshole  Send Email to Basshole     
Mambo-thanks for posting those and yup I want one! One thing though that looks strange in the looseness of the upholstery in the berth looks a bit shotty. They need to tighten that up. I think I can over look that though. Those other boats in your album are absolutely gorgeous as well!
martyn1075 posted 09-23-2011 12:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
I think it does fill a void between the two big big whalers in the 305 & 345. The 225 is nice but leaves two much out imo. The price is substantially more but man is it nice! Clever and useful design seating, especially in the cockpit area. The Hardtop is first class and I really dig the integrated glass windshield. The underwater LCD lights are very high end yacht option these days and they even included them in the package.

The only negative may be that the 305 appears to be quite a bit larger in every area (deck cockpit and cabin) and for the price it may be a tough sell right of the gate for people looking for brand new larger whaler and are willing to spend over 220k. Owning a big older whaler myself (25 whaler walk wide beam) this new 28 model reminds me very much of it a huge overbuilt 25 whaler on steroids rather then a big 28 footer more like pushing 30 such as the 305. None the less its a beauty and one can dream. I do support the size overall its comfortable in many ways imaginable.


martyn1075 posted 09-23-2011 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
meant to say 255 rather than 225.
Mambo Minnow posted 09-23-2011 08:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
Two features not readily apparent from my photos also worth mentioning.

The boat has a "skylight" on the port side helm chart laydown area. This lets a great deal more light into the cabin than just from the hatch on the center foc'sle alone.

The cockpit seating is apparently designed to form seating around a removable table. This would not interest a fisherman at all, but if you are a cruiser and spending time with cocktails/dining inport you may find this feature attractive.

I agree the 255 is not "feature rich" enough for the two foot increase in size from the 235. The 285 might "scratch that itch" if those are features you are looking for in a cabin boat.

Out of my price league as well, but one can always dream!

elenakagan posted 09-24-2011 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for elenakagan  Send Email to elenakagan     
"Forum member Schmaltz Herring will be disappointed. He was looking at a 305 Conquest but bought a SeaVee because he could not order it with a bow thrusters."


Absolutely no dissapointment, getting out of Whaler was the best decision I made. The 340b SeaVee rides like a cadillac on the water compared to the Whalers hull. No more wood or foam to deal with. Dealing with the 'execs' at Whaler was a pain they do whatever they like irrespective of customer input.

jollyrog305 posted 09-24-2011 07:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for jollyrog305    
Elenaiagan,

With all due respect, I must disagee with you. I was fortunate enough to be part of a Conquest owners panel a while back where members of Whaler execs AND designers attended . The event was held by the local Whaler dealer and we discussed the likes, dislikes and "wish it hads" for every Conquest model available. The corporate team was very engaged with the panel and took down just about everything we said - as well as explained why certain designs were (currently) the way they were.

With regards to the topic of this particular thread, myself and other particpants shared what a great idea/desire it would be for the Conquest 285 and 305 to have a bow thruster. We also talked about the windshield design, headroom, creature comforts, etc. I am no way suggesting that this panel was the reason for the new features of the 285, but based on my experience they are listening to (and care) about their customers opinions. Given the state of the boating industry (then and now), I can't imagine spending the money to send corporate members "out into the field" to gather feedback on models in their product line, just to ball it up and throw it in the trash...

Mambo Minnow posted 09-24-2011 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
The SeaVee 340b is a center console. This model has no similarity to the Conquest model line. The Outrage 370 would be a better direct comparison.
bluewaterpirate posted 11-16-2011 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Nice video ......

http://www.bostonwhaler.com/Page.aspx/pageId/29330/pmid/268460/ 285-Conquest.aspx

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