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Ferdinando posted 11-06-2011 08:28 PM ET (US)   Profile for Ferdinando   Send Email to Ferdinando  
These are improvements I've found of the 210 over the 190. Those tidbits should have been incorporated into the 190 but I think the 190 was the learning platform for the 210.

1. The 2 lift up seats in the stern would have been great on the 190. No bending down to access the interior and better use of the area.

2. The 2 deck drain locations on the 190 are in an angled corner in the rear and does not have the best drainage, the 210 has the drain locations on a straight run right through the back.

3. The angled ladder on the 210 looks much nicer than the standard straight one on the 190 although I don"t that big of a deal.

4. Cupholders in the rear right in back of the rod holders. (these could be installed on the 190 quite easily).

Wow that fish locker looks great and would be welcomed on my 190, guess if I want to grab all these improvements I'll have to fork over $63,000. Guess I'll just stay with the old girl for now. As they say it's cheaper to keep her!!!!!

Jefecinco posted 11-07-2011 09:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Fred,

I understand a head in the console is available? If so, I would love to have that much extra room under the console of my 190.

For the first three months of ownership just about every time I stuck my head into the console I cut my scalp on that dirty rat *(&%$ hydraulic steering pump. I keep thinking I'll use some Gorilla Tape to attach some foam insulation to that nasty sharp corner on the 90 degree fitting.

The 190 is just about the ideal boat for me. I started with a 24 SeaRay in the seventies, then got the 16 Dauntless when we moved to the Mobile area but found it to be a little bit too small for my uses, and now the 190. That's about my limit for trailer boating by myself unless the currents and winds are optimum.

The SeaRay was a wonderful boat and huge for a 24 footer. It was the Sundancer model with a very nice teak swim platform and just enough teak trim to be interesting. It had an aft sleeping cabin beneath the helm seat, a refrigerator, alcohol/electric stove, running water in the galley, and an enclosed MSD. I owned that boat for over twenty years but just couldn't deal with it here on Mobile Bay. Getting older didn't help! I saw it on the water a few months ago and it was as pretty as ever. A beautiful small boat, IMO.

Butch

Ferdinando posted 11-07-2011 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ferdinando  Send Email to Ferdinando     
Butch:

Could not agree more, I love my 190 although I would like those tid bits I mentioned on our boats. My only other concern is that I just pushed 60 and dealing with this boat by myself is a handful due to it's size and the use of a bunk trailer which is a pain to push off.

I might spring for an aluminum trailer with ROLLERS in the future. This would be the only way for me to take her out by myself in the coming years.

Did some offshore fishing off the coast of San Juan last week and nailed 20 Dorados(Mahi-Mahi). Was about 23 miles offshore and enjoyed every minute of it (Ocean was nice too).

Later,

Fred

Jefecinco posted 11-08-2011 08:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Fred,

I've learned that the launch ramp makes all the difference in ease of launching.

Near our home we have two ramps that allow backing the truck on a slight grade but abruptly get deep enough to float the 190. The truck's tires remain dry and the trailer drops sufficiently to wet the fronts of the bunks. A one person launch is easy even at the age of 71. Recovery is also easy.

The ramp at our condo, OTOH, provides a slight grade without a significant drop off. To launch the 190 there requires backing the truck until the rear tires are in about six inches of salt water. The fronts of the bunks remain dry and it is usually necessary to wade in to the bow and give it several big pushes to launch the boat. I used a roller trailer with my old SeaRay and never came to like it very much. I doubt that a roller trailer would work much better than a bunk trailer at the condo ramp.

A possible solution would be to fabricate a slide in hitch and ball that is a few feet long effectively putting the trailer into deeper water to facilitate the launch. I may try that as it would be inexpensive.

Meanwhile I've purchased an old 13 Sport with a bunk trailer for use at the condo ramp. It, too, requires a good push to launch but at least it requires a lot less effort to get the boat off and it can be done while standing on the trailer tongue which can be accessed via the truck bed. As the weather cools I'm much less inclined to go wading.

The 13 is a fun boat but comfortable fishing is limited to two people.

Have you considered trying a longer hitch ball tube?

Butch

Ferdinando posted 11-08-2011 10:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ferdinando  Send Email to Ferdinando     
I have not but will now, thks for the hints. Some photos of your 190 would be nice.

Fred

bluewaterpirate posted 11-08-2011 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Fred ......

I still launch and recover my 210 Ventura by myself (65). I have a bunk trailer and as Butch wrote submerge your tires/fenders and the boat will float right off same with recovering. In NC we can power load so it makes it will simple.

Two short video ...

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/5106277_5976739


http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/5106277_5887960

Tom

GreatBayNH posted 11-08-2011 07:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I'm jealous. I have currents that rip horizonal to my dock that make launching and retrieving a heart pounder except at slack tide.
Whalerdog posted 05-31-2012 09:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdog  Send Email to Whalerdog     
Right ramp and technique should be easy to launch and retrieve a 19 or 21. I drive mine on and off easily. Bunks no plastic sliders as my friend uses.
Jefecinco posted 06-01-2012 10:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Whalerdog,

Agree. But strong cross currents or side winds can induce a high pucker factor. It's much easier if you have a long straight-in approach so you can power load "hot". Some decent forward speed with some room to compensate can make things easier.

The short answer is a lot of practice is always helpful.

Butch

conch posted 06-01-2012 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for conch  Send Email to conch     
My days of pushing the boats off trailers at the ramp are about over too. At a bad ramp I pass the winch cable around the first cross member and attach the hook back to the bow eye and winch her backwards into the water. I later mounted an open sheave pulley to the first crossmember to make it easier.
Chuck
Jefecinco posted 06-01-2012 06:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Chuck,

I can't believe I never thought of that simple yet elegant solution. I'll have to check my trailer to see if it's doable.

Thanks for the tip.

Butch

Phil T posted 06-04-2012 01:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     
Buck and Butch

I frequent several ramps that have different geometries and water conditions.

To reduce my launching and loading challenges I installed:

- Fulton 3' hinged extention with coupler to allow me to back in more
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphotogallery_3.php?photo_id=1160

- Rear stern guide rollers to keep the boat straight when cross currents or waves are present.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphotogallery_3.php?photo_id=1158

At the Piscatisqua and Merrimack Rivers, the river currents can be really strong (>4mph). I am in and out while others struggle.

GreatBayNH posted 06-04-2012 02:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Piscataqua launcher here. Currents are a challenge.

I back up what Phil said!

http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/srcbell/2008%20Season%20Prep/ ?action=view¤t=image001.jpg

swist posted 06-07-2012 12:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
One wonders if there are standards for ramp descent angle. Around here, they are all over the place, with the steeper ones generally being easier to deal with, although past a certain point you have to be more careful about a light, bouyant boat (170 Montauk, e.g.) getting away from you. Also with seaweed/slime/crud accumulating on the ramp, there is always the risk the tow vehicle will not get enough traction on haul-out (4WD is almost mandatory on the steepest ramp around here).
Jefecinco posted 06-07-2012 01:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Phil,

Thanks for the tip for the Fulton extension. I'm looking into that.

Swist,

If there are any standards they certainly are ignored by almost everyone. I have noticed that public ramps in my area seem to be quite close in angle and are easy to use.

Butch

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