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JTC posted 03-23-2013 01:17 PM ET (US)
I've noticed my 1999 28 Conquest has a slight starboard list as evidenced by rain water pooling in the corner of the small "platform" that the helm seat is attached to. It's always been that way since I purchased the boat in 2007 and I don't believe it's gotten worse.
I've tried restowing some extra cargo, e.g. spare anchor and other stuff to the port side, but that doesn't make any difference. Also, my own body weight isn't the issue -- the rain water pools when I'm not on the boat and I notice it when I get back on. In fact I keep a small squeegee just to clear the water off because I like to keep my ditch bag behind the helm seat when I'm underway.
Anyways, just wondering if anyone else has noticed this on their own boat?
JTC

martyn1075 posted 03-23-2013 02:23 PM ET (US)
Is your boat equipped with a kicker engine? My boat is roughly the same size and I was always wondering myself why a boat that is nearly 10 feet wide and 8000lbs would list. It was mentioned to me that the auxiliary engine can do this big or small boats.

Martyn
JTC posted 03-23-2013 05:20 PM ET (US)
Nope, no kicker!
The boat is very stable -- even a few grown adults moving from side to side doesn't appear to make any difference...
dave_maggio posted 03-24-2013 08:37 AM ET (US)
I have one as well and have noticed a slight list on the boat in both directions and it usually has to do with one of the many tanks on the boat. The boat seems especially sensitive to the fuel tanks which are high and outside. Additionally it seems to notice the weight when water shifts from the water tank to the holding tank for the head. I usually bring fuel down to the boat in 5 gallon cans (two at a time) and just put the fuel in whatever side seems to be riding a little high.
JTC posted 03-24-2013 01:30 PM ET (US)
Dave: so do you not tend to get rainwater pooling under the helm seat? (starboard aft corner) I seem to get that no matter what the state of my tanks...
Wow - filling up 10 gals at a time -- that must be a heck of an effort!
martyn1075 posted 03-24-2013 08:31 PM ET (US)
I do the same thing all the time by using a shaker siphon hose that moves up to 3.5 gallons a minute! It works really well and I save money at the pump as our gas dock is much more expensive and the gas is not nearly as good. Im thinking about trying to add two hoses to cut the time down even though its still fairly quick with one. Not sure if it will work through.
Martyn

dave_maggio posted 03-24-2013 09:25 PM ET (US)
Have not really noticed water lying behind the helm seat, but, to be honest, my boat lives on a lift so I always sort of have it level when I walk away.
As far as the 5 gallons at a time goes, I have had a couple of bad experiences with marina gas and I would just prefer to have gas out of a tank that turns over every few days. Also, as martyn said, I use a safety siphon and it dumps the cans real quick with no spillage. Most of the time I just do a load or two a week and that keeps us going.
Also, I noticed a while back that you added tab extensions, curious as to who made them, what the bill was etc...Although I am not real disappointed with the way the boat rides the thought of being able to plug the bow a little harder interests me. Thanks!
JTC posted 03-24-2013 09:36 PM ET (US)
Ah yeah, lift storage would definitely negate any observations. It's not a big deal -- just curious if it's my boat, and especially if it indicated some sort of problem, e.g. water in the hull. But I suppose I've already answered my own question in that if there were a leak, it would probably be getting worse over time.
re: trim tab extensions, they were fabricated by my Whaler dealer, Nauset Marine, and as I recall they charged me a few hundred for them. Basically they just cut some stainless steel, bent them to make the down fins, and then bolted them on to the existing tabs. They made them as long as possible without interfering with the swim ladder.
Liteamorn posted 03-31-2013 03:33 PM ET (US)
Are your batteries on the starboard side? They weigh a few pounds.
JTC posted 03-31-2013 05:31 PM ET (US)
Good thought about the batteries. Yes, the hull by default has 2 batteries on the starboard side and only one on the left. They are pretty hefty batteries too. Also, the interior isn't remotely symmetrical -- the helm and shower are starboard and the little kitchen counter & fridge are port.
But my total setup is factory default, so I'm mainly trying to figure out if other 28 Conquest owners have this issue.
dave_maggio posted 03-31-2013 10:19 PM ET (US)
Interesting about the batteries, I actually have four. Two on the port and two on the starboard. The second battery on the port is a dedicated generator battery? Does your boat have that option?
Wonder if it has something to do with the genny and its equipment?
crabby posted 04-01-2013 08:20 AM ET (US)
If you keep your engines spun to one side or the other while they are tilted up at the dock this could also be just enough to push one side of the boat down a little. This is the case with my 22 Outrage WD with a single 250hp out back.
JTC posted 04-01-2013 08:52 PM ET (US)
I don't have a generator so that's why I only have 1 battery on the port side. That might be enough to create the list that I'm observing -- I'll test that by placing an equivalent weight on that side sometime!
I keep my motors centered when stored (trimmed up out of the water).
martyn1075 posted 04-02-2013 10:27 AM ET (US)
If thats the case you can purchase some lead blocks to balance the weight. Its true batteries can play havoc with list problems but with such a heavy boat I wouldn't think it would but I thought the same with my boat and the kicker which is 150 lbs just enough to make the boat list slightly.
Martyn
jimh posted 04-06-2013 08:34 AM ET (US)
On classic Boston Whaler boats, the battery is typically mounted on the Starboard side at the stern. The cockpit sump is also on the Starboard side. There is typically a slight list to Starboard at static trim. This causes water to flow into the sump. On this basis, I would say it is somewhat normal or intentional that a Boston Whaler boat have a slight list to Starboard in static trim.
JTC posted 04-06-2013 10:50 PM ET (US)
Interesting, Jim. If that's the case (i.e. the 28 Conquest is designed to have a slight starboard trim), then there are two corners which will always collect water: on the 12" platform that the helm seat is mounted on and the "same" corner on the deck made by the platform. It's not a lot of water and it ends up draining pretty much as soon as you go up on plane, but it's enough that you get a little algae growth & discoloring from the standing rainwater (and I have a hard top and full canvas / eisenglas enclosure).
But it may make sense that you want to intentionally design in a static trim to one side or the other. The cockpit scuppers are kind of a strange design because the water drains first into the gaps around the fish locker doors and then into drains that sit at the back of channels meant to catch the water before it would spill into the lockers themselves. These drains then connect to scuppers with flaps near the waterline off the transom. So a perfectly static trim might cause more water to pool in the cockpit.
Anyways, my shower squeegee provides a simple solution to the "problem."
Green Flash posted 04-14-2013 07:39 AM ET (US)
JTC,
I have noticed my 2000 28 Conquest has a slight starboard list as well. However, mine lives on a lift so I do not share the same issue of pooling water. I also have a generator.
Best regards,
Green Flash
RevengeFamily posted 04-16-2013 08:23 PM ET (US)
JTC,
I have a 1999 280 Conquest that has the same starboard list resulting in rain water puddling up in the corner by the helm when at the dock.
It's not the generator option. I have the genset along with the dedicated battery.
Can't imagine it's the 40 gallons of fresh water either, the tank is stowed amid ships.
I'm quite sure neither one of us carries enough gear to shift to the port side to make enough of a difference. Putting 3 adults on the port side gunnel barely gets the water to move. If 400 pounds of human weight is not going to make a difference on how she sits at rest, I'm not going to attempt to level her with fuel...
We have spent weeks aboard during vacations. Without the puddle as evidence of the starboard list, no one has ever complained in the morning.
I am curious if it has to do with the way the upper deck mold was designed, built and installed.
A few years ago, after she was hauled for the winter, I used a tape measure to try and determine how much she did list. According to the measurement to the water stain she measured very near dead on...
Best,
Norm
JTC posted 04-16-2013 09:22 PM ET (US)
Norm, thanks so much for your report. Sounds like we've been experiencing exactly the same thing, so at least this allays my worst fear which was that I might be getting waterlogged foam on the startboard side due to a leak!
Guess I'll just stick with my squeegee solution. Works great on the windshield on cold mornings too.

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Author	Topic: 28 CONQUEST / 295 CONQUEST slight starboard list -- anyone else notice this?
JTC	posted 03-23-2013 01:17 PM ET (US) I've noticed my 1999 28 Conquest has a slight starboard list as evidenced by rain water pooling in the corner of the small "platform" that the helm seat is attached to. It's always been that way since I purchased the boat in 2007 and I don't believe it's gotten worse. I've tried restowing some extra cargo, e.g. spare anchor and other stuff to the port side, but that doesn't make any difference. Also, my own body weight isn't the issue -- the rain water pools when I'm not on the boat and I notice it when I get back on. In fact I keep a small squeegee just to clear the water off because I like to keep my ditch bag behind the helm seat when I'm underway. Anyways, just wondering if anyone else has noticed this on their own boat? JTC
martyn1075	posted 03-23-2013 02:23 PM ET (US) Is your boat equipped with a kicker engine? My boat is roughly the same size and I was always wondering myself why a boat that is nearly 10 feet wide and 8000lbs would list. It was mentioned to me that the auxiliary engine can do this big or small boats. Martyn
JTC	posted 03-23-2013 05:20 PM ET (US) Nope, no kicker! The boat is very stable -- even a few grown adults moving from side to side doesn't appear to make any difference...
dave_maggio	posted 03-24-2013 08:37 AM ET (US) I have one as well and have noticed a slight list on the boat in both directions and it usually has to do with one of the many tanks on the boat. The boat seems especially sensitive to the fuel tanks which are high and outside. Additionally it seems to notice the weight when water shifts from the water tank to the holding tank for the head. I usually bring fuel down to the boat in 5 gallon cans (two at a time) and just put the fuel in whatever side seems to be riding a little high.
JTC	posted 03-24-2013 01:30 PM ET (US) Dave: so do you not tend to get rainwater pooling under the helm seat? (starboard aft corner) I seem to get that no matter what the state of my tanks... Wow - filling up 10 gals at a time -- that must be a heck of an effort!
martyn1075	posted 03-24-2013 08:31 PM ET (US) I do the same thing all the time by using a shaker siphon hose that moves up to 3.5 gallons a minute! It works really well and I save money at the pump as our gas dock is much more expensive and the gas is not nearly as good. Im thinking about trying to add two hoses to cut the time down even though its still fairly quick with one. Not sure if it will work through. Martyn
dave_maggio	posted 03-24-2013 09:25 PM ET (US) Have not really noticed water lying behind the helm seat, but, to be honest, my boat lives on a lift so I always sort of have it level when I walk away. As far as the 5 gallons at a time goes, I have had a couple of bad experiences with marina gas and I would just prefer to have gas out of a tank that turns over every few days. Also, as martyn said, I use a safety siphon and it dumps the cans real quick with no spillage. Most of the time I just do a load or two a week and that keeps us going. Also, I noticed a while back that you added tab extensions, curious as to who made them, what the bill was etc...Although I am not real disappointed with the way the boat rides the thought of being able to plug the bow a little harder interests me. Thanks!
JTC	posted 03-24-2013 09:36 PM ET (US) Ah yeah, lift storage would definitely negate any observations. It's not a big deal -- just curious if it's my boat, and especially if it indicated some sort of problem, e.g. water in the hull. But I suppose I've already answered my own question in that if there were a leak, it would probably be getting worse over time. re: trim tab extensions, they were fabricated by my Whaler dealer, Nauset Marine, and as I recall they charged me a few hundred for them. Basically they just cut some stainless steel, bent them to make the down fins, and then bolted them on to the existing tabs. They made them as long as possible without interfering with the swim ladder.
Liteamorn	posted 03-31-2013 03:33 PM ET (US) Are your batteries on the starboard side? They weigh a few pounds.
JTC	posted 03-31-2013 05:31 PM ET (US) Good thought about the batteries. Yes, the hull by default has 2 batteries on the starboard side and only one on the left. They are pretty hefty batteries too. Also, the interior isn't remotely symmetrical -- the helm and shower are starboard and the little kitchen counter & fridge are port. But my total setup is factory default, so I'm mainly trying to figure out if other 28 Conquest owners have this issue.
dave_maggio	posted 03-31-2013 10:19 PM ET (US) Interesting about the batteries, I actually have four. Two on the port and two on the starboard. The second battery on the port is a dedicated generator battery? Does your boat have that option? Wonder if it has something to do with the genny and its equipment?
crabby	posted 04-01-2013 08:20 AM ET (US) If you keep your engines spun to one side or the other while they are tilted up at the dock this could also be just enough to push one side of the boat down a little. This is the case with my 22 Outrage WD with a single 250hp out back.
JTC	posted 04-01-2013 08:52 PM ET (US) I don't have a generator so that's why I only have 1 battery on the port side. That might be enough to create the list that I'm observing -- I'll test that by placing an equivalent weight on that side sometime! I keep my motors centered when stored (trimmed up out of the water).
martyn1075	posted 04-02-2013 10:27 AM ET (US) If thats the case you can purchase some lead blocks to balance the weight. Its true batteries can play havoc with list problems but with such a heavy boat I wouldn't think it would but I thought the same with my boat and the kicker which is 150 lbs just enough to make the boat list slightly. Martyn
jimh	posted 04-06-2013 08:34 AM ET (US) On classic Boston Whaler boats, the battery is typically mounted on the Starboard side at the stern. The cockpit sump is also on the Starboard side. There is typically a slight list to Starboard at static trim. This causes water to flow into the sump. On this basis, I would say it is somewhat normal or intentional that a Boston Whaler boat have a slight list to Starboard in static trim.
JTC	posted 04-06-2013 10:50 PM ET (US) Interesting, Jim. If that's the case (i.e. the 28 Conquest is designed to have a slight starboard trim), then there are two corners which will always collect water: on the 12" platform that the helm seat is mounted on and the "same" corner on the deck made by the platform. It's not a lot of water and it ends up draining pretty much as soon as you go up on plane, but it's enough that you get a little algae growth & discoloring from the standing rainwater (and I have a hard top and full canvas / eisenglas enclosure). But it may make sense that you want to intentionally design in a static trim to one side or the other. The cockpit scuppers are kind of a strange design because the water drains first into the gaps around the fish locker doors and then into drains that sit at the back of channels meant to catch the water before it would spill into the lockers themselves. These drains then connect to scuppers with flaps near the waterline off the transom. So a perfectly static trim might cause more water to pool in the cockpit. Anyways, my shower squeegee provides a simple solution to the "problem."
Green Flash	posted 04-14-2013 07:39 AM ET (US) JTC, I have noticed my 2000 28 Conquest has a slight starboard list as well. However, mine lives on a lift so I do not share the same issue of pooling water. I also have a generator. Best regards, Green Flash
RevengeFamily	posted 04-16-2013 08:23 PM ET (US) JTC, I have a 1999 280 Conquest that has the same starboard list resulting in rain water puddling up in the corner by the helm when at the dock. It's not the generator option. I have the genset along with the dedicated battery. Can't imagine it's the 40 gallons of fresh water either, the tank is stowed amid ships. I'm quite sure neither one of us carries enough gear to shift to the port side to make enough of a difference. Putting 3 adults on the port side gunnel barely gets the water to move. If 400 pounds of human weight is not going to make a difference on how she sits at rest, I'm not going to attempt to level her with fuel... We have spent weeks aboard during vacations. Without the puddle as evidence of the starboard list, no one has ever complained in the morning. I am curious if it has to do with the way the upper deck mold was designed, built and installed. A few years ago, after she was hauled for the winter, I used a tape measure to try and determine how much she did list. According to the measurement to the water stain she measured very near dead on... Best, Norm
JTC	posted 04-16-2013 09:22 PM ET (US) Norm, thanks so much for your report. Sounds like we've been experiencing exactly the same thing, so at least this allays my worst fear which was that I might be getting waterlogged foam on the startboard side due to a leak! Guess I'll just stick with my squeegee solution. Works great on the windshield on cold mornings too.