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TallyHo posted 06-27-2013 12:20 PM ET (US)   Profile for TallyHo   Send Email to TallyHo  
I have read the hulls differ between the 1999 to 2001 21 OUTRAGE and the 210 OUTRAGE 210, I but cannot find any specifics. Could anyone elaborate for me the difference between the hulls of these two models? Thanks.
Mambo Minnow posted 06-27-2013 07:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
I have a 1999-2001 hull. It is the Accutrack hull by Whaler. It is best described as a semi-V type. I find it is very good at knocking down spray for a very dry Whaler ride. However, any seas greater than 2 foot, you will bang more than knife through. I use my trim tabs in a head sea to make the ride more comfortable.
TallyHo posted 06-28-2013 12:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for TallyHo  Send Email to TallyHo     
Thanks for the reply. Is the Accutrack hull on the 210 as well?
jimh posted 06-28-2013 09:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Moved to POST-CLASSIC.]
jimh posted 06-28-2013 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Boston Whaler is using the term Accutrack as a designator of hull design in many ways. Initially, the Accutrack name was applied to hulls like the c.1999 21 OUTRAGE. Those hulls always seemed to me to appear somewhat bulbous in the upper bow areas. The Accutrack hull was quite distinct from the classic Boston Whaler hull. The same general design was used in many hulls of various lengths. These hulls have a noticeable tuck-under of the upper bow, with the chines and the inset to the lower bow being quite distinct.

When Boston Whaler changed the model designators to the three-digit series, like 210 OUTRAGE, the hulls changed as well. The term Accutrack is still used as a descriptor for these hulls, but the design is different. These are also OUTRAGE hulls, now. (The present DAUNTLESS hulls look more like the original Accutrack hulls.) In general, these hulls look like they are somewhat sleeker and have a finer entry, at least they do to me. The offset of the lower bow at the chines is not as great as in the prior Accutrack hulls.

I have really no time underway in either of these hulls, so I cannot offer any advice about the ride characteristics. Aesthetically I find the newer three-digit OUTRAGE Accutrack hulls to have a more pleasant appearance. The funny thing about hull appearance, however, is you never see it. Only other people see it. I'd rather have a hull that rides better than one that looks better.

The three-digit OUTRAGE boats are going to be newer boats, so they will be more expensive, typically, than the older Accutrack OUTRAGE boats.

As a general rule, I don't think there is a world of difference between the ride of two 21-foot Boston Whaler boats whose hulls are only slightly different. If you want to get a better ride, get a bigger boat. I am sure a 24-foot OUTRAGE is going to give a smoother ride than either of these 21-footers.

TallyHo posted 06-28-2013 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for TallyHo  Send Email to TallyHo     
Thanks Jim, good input.

I love the 23, but prefer a single engine boat, and am trying to find the smallest, extremely capable boat around. Currently I run a Outrage 18 as much as 40-miles off the coast of Oregon.

Mambo Minnow posted 06-28-2013 01:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
Tally, hopefully fellow forum member Basshole will soon chime in with a post as well. He operates out of SF Bay waters with a 21-foot and could probably give you the best feedback on West Coast offshore hull performance.
vze2gbs4 posted 06-28-2013 08:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for vze2gbs4  Send Email to vze2gbs4     
I have owned both 2000 21 Outrage and two, newer-style 210's. One was 2002 with OptiMax that I sold. I now own 2005 with 200 Verado. I owned at least 15 Boston Whaler boats from 13- to 24-feet, and, in my humble opinion, the 2002-to-2008-era 210 is one [ofthe best hulls], if not the best hull, Whaler ever produced. It is almost impossible to make this boat wet during ride, no matter what conditions --under five to six-footers that you should be home anyway. A 1999 to 2001 21 Outrage is good boat, as well, but not as good as 210 that replaced her. Also it is one of prettiest hulls with T-top that was ever produced by any manufacturer.
Andrew
vze2gbs4 posted 06-28-2013 08:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for vze2gbs4  Send Email to vze2gbs4     
Big difference was console. The 1999 to 2001 had oversized console with porta potty and plenty of room inside. A 210 has none of that but has more deck space because they used smaller console borrowed from 190 Outrage. A 210 Transom is also different; they borrowed stern design from Brunswick sister company Trophy 2002, and it is definitely non-Whaler looking but extremely functional. I like it a lot. Trim tabs are a must. A kicker is almost impossible to install--I did it. It would take a lot for me to give up 210 for anything else, even a newer 220 that has less room and is over six figures now. In 2008 you could still find brand new 210 for about $50,000 and nicely equipped<

Also 210 has great access to the bilge. It is a real bildge like conventional boats with no compartments to trap water and wet the foam. Access is from 3 different hatches located through the deck. I haven't see better access on any other Boston Whaler boat, big or small. This was very important to me because it was always driving me crazy not knowing whats going on below. The 21 has nowhere close to it.
Andrew

Mambo Minnow posted 06-29-2013 08:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
The 1999 to 2001 hull has three bilge access Beckson hatches: two round ones on the main deck and a third oval one in the rear well.

There are not too many 21-foot center console boats that you can get an enclosed porta potty, which is important to the ladies if you are family boating. I would consider that an advantage of this model.

As far as the seakeeping abilities of the Accutrack hull, the bulbous bow really helps the boat ride dry in a head sea, literally rising the bow up when you stuff it in a head sea. Concur trim tabs are a must to counteract this rising bow from the stern. One possible difference of the 210 Outrage, is I believe Whaler switched from Bennett hydraulic to Lenco electric trim tabs.

phatwhaler posted 06-29-2013 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
The 21 Outrage was rated for 300-HP and it had a console with doors on both sides and the glove box. Although the older console has more details than the 210 hull, it has a small area to flush mount electronics.

The 21 also had a plexiglass chart storage area.

The 210 Outrage might be available used with a Verado; most of the older 21's have two stroke engines on them.

I would love to know what a well optioned 210 Outrage would cost new.

TallyHo posted 06-30-2013 01:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for TallyHo  Send Email to TallyHo     
This is great info, thank you.
vze2gbs4 posted 07-01-2013 09:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for vze2gbs4  Send Email to vze2gbs4     
I don't think that 21 was ever rated for 300-HP. That motor didn't exist back in 1999 to 2001. The 225 OptiMax was the most power Boston Whaler would hang up on the transom, and the same for the 210 model, [which used a] 225 Verado. The only 250-HP option available was for the 20 Justice, a commercial version of the same hull. Boston Whaler stopped making 210 back in 2008. Then and nicely-equipped it sold around $60,000.--Andrew
Jefecinco posted 07-01-2013 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Twin 150s?
phatwhaler posted 07-01-2013 12:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
Look around and you'll see a 21 with twin 150's.

The good thing about those old 21's is that they can handle the weight of a modern outboard

vze2gbs4 posted 07-02-2013 01:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for vze2gbs4  Send Email to vze2gbs4     
No you won't see 1999 to 2001 hull with twin engines. It was designed for single outboard.

In 1993 to 1998 [including] some leftover 1998 boats that became 1999 boats but were called "limited" and not to be mixed with newer hull, the 21 Outrage was designed for twin engines. OP was asking about newer hulls, not that Meridian-era boats. I had a 1994 21 OUTRAGE with 200 Johnson: a great boat with lots of deck space but still nowhere close to 210 .

Andrew

wingman posted 08-14-2013 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for wingman    
Is there such a thing as a 2001 Outrage 210?
vze2gbs4 posted 08-16-2013 12:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for vze2gbs4  Send Email to vze2gbs4     
There is no 2001 model year 210 Outrage. In model year 2001 [there] was a 21 Outrage. Whaler introduced first 210 in 2002. I had one.

To separate models from mixing up, Whaler added "0" to newer hulls, so there is 210 Outrage, 190 Outrage, 180 Ventura, 210 Ventura, etc. Also, Montauk got "0", as well, so there is 170 Montauk introduced in 2002, as well. Conquest models got "5", so there was 205 Conquest and 235 Conquest.

Speaking of Outrage series, there is Outrage in every size from 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, to 29. Also, there is 32, 35, and 37.

There never was 30, 31, 33, 34, 36 Outrage that I know of.--Andrew

wingman posted 08-21-2013 08:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for wingman    
Thanks Andrew.
Any opinions and/or estimate of good price for a 2001 outrage 21w/ optimax 200 w/ 500 hrs?
vze2gbs4 posted 08-21-2013 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for vze2gbs4  Send Email to vze2gbs4     
I know of 2003 210 coming up as dealer trade here in NJ.
200 optimax around 400 hours -no trailer no hardtop-around 20 K.Great deal.

Have 1999 21 Conquest for sale with trailer. Freshwater lake all life with very low hours. Boat is mint-Hull is showroom.
One owner.Allrecords from day 1.- 18 K

vze2gbs4 posted 08-21-2013 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for vze2gbs4  Send Email to vze2gbs4     
I bought 2000 21 just this January-boat was mint with 200 + hours on 225 optimax-no trailer -had hardtop-I truly stole that boat for 14.5 .


If you ask me dont pay more than 20 K for 2001.

But I will repeat again. That stealth looking hull of 2002-09
210 outrage is better riding boat ( only plus is that older 21 has over-sized console with porta potty and shelter if it really rains bad.

wingman posted 08-22-2013 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for wingman    
Ok, thanks for the reply

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